Why Should Jesus Love Me?
mike

AOL

#491587 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Matthew 10:22 says:
"You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."
It's not at all about celebrating the end", as you suggest.
It's about how much is at stake in the witness and suffering taking place in Matthew 24 - that a believer’s future status in Heaven is being worked out in the choices he’s making on a day-to-day basis.
Again, thanks

You missed the "headliner".

The point I was making is,claiming your "saved" even before you can experience being "saved" is foolish.

Ultimately you can't be "saved" while living.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#491588 Feb 21, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Beautiful post, Annie.
Thank you.
:-)
mike

AOL

#491589 Feb 21, 2013
Just so you know, there are some here pretending to follow the GOD-concept just to make the concept look bad. Therefore, you sincere folks should practice "Deeds", rather than regurgitated words.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#491590 Feb 21, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
...I've witnessed here that saying Jesus Christ is the only way and that any other path goes to hell is hateful....
Depends on how one says such things.

Christians seem to get all huffy when I tell them the fact that Jesus never used the word Hell and further that Christians have no clue of what Jesus was talking about when he mentions Sheol and Gehenna.

Instead Christians just call me a hateful antichrist and that I am going to Hell.

The sword swings both ways, Chris.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#491591 Feb 21, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
@HIDING...I dont deny those who start in the faith from an early age are subjedt to at least some indoctrination. That doesnt mean however when becomming adults they arent capable of shaping their own beliefs and feelings that can be very different than what they were first taught. But thats neither here nor there as far as the particular topic at hand. I would ask you re-read the post I quoted you from IANS and tell me in your opinion is that post indicative of someone who feels Christians are indoctrinated?It talks about typical Christian thinking and thinking what they do because of how their church taught them and several other things that are basically Imo the definition and what the result of indoctrination would be. Do you agree?
"I would ask you re-read the post I quoted you from IANS and tell me in your opinion is that post indicative of someone who feels Christians are indoctrinated?"

I just read your post, which is indicative that you believe such a thing:

"I don't deny those who start in the faith from an early age are subject to at least some indoctrination."

I don't know if I have made this claim explicitly like you have or not, but I wouldn't argue with it. Nor have I ever contradicted it.

You also wrote, "That doesnt mean however when becoming adults they aren't capable of shaping their own beliefs and feelings that can be very different than what they were first taught."

It also doesn't mean that they are capable of doing that. A few toss it all out and break free.

If you remain a Christian, by definition, you cannot have shaken off all of your indoctrination. Just look at the word "indoctrination." It means doctrine coming in, as in doctrine being downloaded into your young and impressionable head. And millions of other heads, too.

Those of you that don't escape the religion seem to largely agree on many central theses of Christianity, such as the nihilism, pessism and misanthropy that characterizes Christian doctrine. That's the in-doctrine of indoctriantion, the most pessimistic aspects being embodied in its doctrine of man's ineluctable sin nature (i.e., its hamartiology), its doctrine of his need for rescue and his abject inability to help himself (soteriology), and its doctrine of apocalypse (eschatology).

Anyway, I still don't know what you claim I said before - what you think it meant - or what your problem with it is. You seem to be saying that all Christians are indoctrinated yourself.

Since: Oct 12

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#491592 Feb 21, 2013
Wherefore brethren give diligence to make you calling and election sure.2 Peter 1:10

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#491593 Feb 21, 2013
Behold I come quickly;hold that fast which thou hast no man takey thy crown.Revelation 3:11

Since: Oct 12

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#491594 Feb 21, 2013
Be thou faithful unto death,and I will give thee a crown of life.Revelation 2:10
Henry

Germany

#491595 Feb 21, 2013
Truths wrote:
<quoted text>
It's really not Henry~ I doubt that you have opened a bible to read friend. Maybe if you skim a bit - you will start to feel what we have. If you do read- then go to the gospels and read about Jesus life. Pretty amazing history.
The bible is written and translated by people that God trusted to do so.
I believe that you are here seeking to know more- & that your life has some happy parts, but you know that something is missing. Your contridictory attitude and negative posts are due to the hardship of giving up what you once thought was true. You have always thought that God was fake and that accepting Him was a cop out. Now that you are here- you are having stirrings of knowing that we are telling you the truth.
Your rebellion is normal Henry. We ALL had those times before completely believing.
Whether YOU believe or not- We are ALL God's CHILDREN~
Billions of people of all nationalities, white , black, red, brown,Asian.
ALL job status, rich,poor, middle income,male, female, teens, pre teens ,twenty somethings , thirty somethings, in their 40's,50's ,60's,70's 80's, 90's, 100 something year olds...
....now, 5 years ago, 10 yrs ago 50 yrs ago, 100 yrs ago,1000 yrs ago, almost 2000 yrs ago..
ALL KNOW Him to be true due to similar life experience in HAVING MET OUR LORD Jesus Christ . Through the BLESSING of The Holy Spirit we were given THE gift of Jesus from God.
B I L L I O N S of people ALL agree He "IS" . Not because we read about Him in a book~ He was not "taught" to us LIKE math or science or Oprahs favorite "serve self" books...
But because we experienced His invitation and the miracles He performs in our lives.
No other proof is needed of His existence,as billions of us KNOW the truth. YOU too can MEET your brother Jesus simply by asking Him into your heart.
..... people did NOT write the Bible , GOD made it RIGHT.
God does not exist. The bible is man made and many times falsified!

Since: Oct 12

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#491596 Feb 21, 2013
According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world.That we should be holy and without blemish before Him in love.Ephesians 1:4

Since: Oct 12

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#491597 Feb 21, 2013
Having forordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself.Ephesians 1:5

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#491598 Feb 21, 2013
And we know all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to His purpose.Romans 8:28

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#491599 Feb 21, 2013
Being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh all things after the counsel of His own will.Ephesians 1:11
Henry

Germany

#491600 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Henry wrote:
Sorry no god ever existed!
<quoted text>
Make up your mind!
Jesus died possible as a human. He was never a god. There were thousands of gods which were just myths nothing else.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#491601 Feb 21, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's what I'll do. I'll stand here and continue to watch you moan and groan like a child. You've been belly aching about this for what a week now?**SNIPPED FOR SPACE**
.. if you've read the debate between SCAR & SKOM, you'll notice a similar pattern ..

.. while I do not agree with some of AIN's battle tactics, he's returning fire, trying to make a point. Do you know what it is ??..

.. it seems SKOM is unable to see the very behavior that hurts him. Instead of interceding, identifying the communication problem, Christians remain quiet. Is that fair to SKOM ??..
Henry

Germany

#491602 Feb 21, 2013
Truths wrote:
<quoted text>
It's really not Henry~ I doubt that you have opened a bible to read friend. Maybe if you skim a bit - you will start to feel what we have. If you do read- then go to the gospels and read about Jesus life. Pretty amazing history.
The bible is written and translated by people that God trusted to do so.
I believe that you are here seeking to know more- & that your life has some happy parts, but you know that something is missing. Your contridictory attitude and negative posts are due to the hardship of giving up what you once thought was true. You have always thought that God was fake and that accepting Him was a cop out. Now that you are here- you are having stirrings of knowing that we are telling you the truth.
Your rebellion is normal Henry. We ALL had those times before completely believing.
Whether YOU believe or not- We are ALL God's CHILDREN~
Billions of people of all nationalities, white , black, red, brown,Asian.
ALL job status, rich,poor, middle income,male, female, teens, pre teens ,twenty somethings , thirty somethings, in their 40's,50's ,60's,70's 80's, 90's, 100 something year olds...
....now, 5 years ago, 10 yrs ago 50 yrs ago, 100 yrs ago,1000 yrs ago, almost 2000 yrs ago..
ALL KNOW Him to be true due to similar life experience in HAVING MET OUR LORD Jesus Christ . Through the BLESSING of The Holy Spirit we were given THE gift of Jesus from God.
B I L L I O N S of people ALL agree He "IS" . Not because we read about Him in a book~ He was not "taught" to us LIKE math or science or Oprahs favorite "serve self" books...
But because we experienced His invitation and the miracles He performs in our lives.
No other proof is needed of His existence,as billions of us KNOW the truth. YOU too can MEET your brother Jesus simply by asking Him into your heart.
..... people did NOT write the Bible , GOD made it RIGHT.
Since god never existed, the bible was man made and very often faked.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#491603 Feb 21, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
<quoted text>
I can't believe this is still going Teddy and not getting involved does not imply assent or moral cowardice.**SNIPPED**
.. perhaps it does ..

.. being somewhat of a chicken sh*t, I failed to call AIN on several things, decided to stay out of it when a simple, "That's hitting below the belt," would have sufficed. And, I've pretty much given up on SKOM, he doesn't want to acknowledge his harmful behavior ..

.. yep, think I was a coward. Why get involved? It's none of my business. Why intercede in world hunger, a rape, the battering of a child? After all, my tummy is full, nobody is trying to rape me and my child is safe. It's none of my business, right ??..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#491604 Feb 21, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
I don’t think he cares what you think
It aint necessarily so wrote:
That's kind of my point, isn't it? He has forgiven himself.
Here For Now wrote:
So you say because he doesn’t care what you think he forgave his self. Where you got that from I don’t know.
If he cared, he'd beg my forgiveness. He has slandered me and continues to do so. He either has no conscience to begin with, or if he gets any pang of guilt, he gets him some forgiveness from the sky on demand every now and again and is go to go again.

But he doesn't care what I think.
Here For Now wrote:
My point is more like he isn’t asking you for forgiveness or permission.
Great point. I noticed.
Here For Now wrote:
He doesn’t have to please you. None of us do nor do we have to worry about what you like or don’t like.
Of course you don't. Nor do you. Again, my point.

People with empathy and moral courage do care about people other than themselves and those that agree with them, and express that. They take a stand against injustice. You have seen that from several of the humanists here. Not so much from the Christians.
Here For Now wrote:
After all you are doing to us what you complain about us doing.
And what is that?
Here For Now wrote:
Most of what I have read from you is you claiming things are that aren’t.
That's a typical comment. Zero substance, just innuendo.
Here For Now wrote:
Get over yourself and realize that others are not as interested in your having thing be your way like you are.
Getting Dim or any of the rest of you to behave this way or that was not my purpose. Demonstrating who you are was.

What response do you think that somebody who is criticizing the church was expecting and will be able to use? One where Dim feels shame and apologizes after the bulk of you good Christians stood up and exhorted him to do so, or this one, where he steadfastly refuses to do beg forgiveness after being exposed for what he is, and people like you either enable him or remain silent? Think.

Incidentally, with that revelation, the time for action is officially over. The story is written. I won't consider any action taken after this post to be a sincere response to my request that people stand up and do the right thing for its own sake. If you act after now, I would have to assume that is due to a recent realization of what you have shown to at least a half dozen of our most prolific skeptical posters.

I don't know just what Catcher, Happy Lesbo, Hiding, Tide, Scaritual and others thought about this matter before now, but I suspect that any that didn't accept my claim that your doctrine of self-forgiveness facilitates shabby behavior and moral cowardice and then got to see to it play out graphically right here in real-time are at least open to the suggestion if not outright convinced.

This is freethinker school, where we teach and learn from one another in the lecture section, and see it in the lab section. Thanks for your service.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#491605 Feb 21, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
It is very sad. So many theists choose to be monsters instead of human.
They're made in their god's image.

"Belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man." - Thomas Paine.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#491606 Feb 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
That's where the church comes in so handy - as the source of that stigma and hatred. They choose to administer their religion by scapegoating gays, and the message is heard loudly and clearly by the entire culture as Hiding has delineated.
The Christian church appears to be the only significant source of homophobia in the West. It's not originating with the news media, nor Hollywood, nor the government, nor the schools. It's the church. The church has defined that value for America, which makes people's lives more difficult and dangerous. It does so selfishly in order to promote itself, and as far as I can see, offers nothing of value in return to offset the huge societal burden it imposes.
That's the definition of a societal parasite.
Here we have a person that is quite open to his disdain to Chrisians as he has slandered a group of people. Its not hard for a person to say this would be "hate speech" when the word parasite is used on a group of people. How many times have your murdered folks in your heart? Its sad that you claim to stand up for a group of people, here the homosexual communnity and out of the same heart show pure hate to another. While I am thankful my wife left that life I never once have or would look at a gay man or woman the way you speak of people of faith.

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