Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Henry

Germany

#491572 Feb 21, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks
My position is, "Mankind" can't be trusted.
Studies, or researches often need to be re-visited.
Correct!
Henry

Germany

#491573 Feb 21, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, this is a good word Epiphany! In fact I just spoke to a friend on the phone. He started off by saying this has been a very rough week. I wish to be able to do just as you say but in truth it might be easier said than done? Just starting to feel better here and so thankful that God has let be enjoy each day. Its funny but while I do live in Fl. most of the time I miss it with work ect. Went to a park close by that backs up to Tampa Bay and think its been a year since I was there. Its a favorite place as its quiet and off the beaten path. God bless everyone and indeed may His peace find everyone today!
Sorry, no god ever existed!
mike

AOL

#491574 Feb 21, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Encouraging Words.....
Love each other with genuine affection, and take delight in honoring each other.
Romans 12:10
K-Love
Hello Epi
You must be exhausted with all the encouraging you do for the priviledged. Not sure your GOD will honor it tho, you're supposed to help the "Needy".

It's like preaching to the "choir"; at least you're doing something. I'm not doing a darn thing except complain.
mike

AOL

#491575 Feb 21, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct!
Hello

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#491576 Feb 21, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
Forget the Bible full of fakes, lies and errors too!
It's really not Henry~ I doubt that you have opened a bible to read friend. Maybe if you skim a bit - you will start to feel what we have. If you do read- then go to the gospels and read about Jesus life. Pretty amazing history.
The bible is written and translated by people that God trusted to do so.
I believe that you are here seeking to know more- & that your life has some happy parts, but you know that something is missing. Your contridictory attitude and negative posts are due to the hardship of giving up what you once thought was true. You have always thought that God was fake and that accepting Him was a cop out. Now that you are here- you are having stirrings of knowing that we are telling you the truth.
Your rebellion is normal Henry. We ALL had those times before completely believing.

Whether YOU believe or not- We are ALL God's CHILDREN~

Billions of people of all nationalities, white , black, red, brown,Asian.
ALL job status, rich,poor, middle income,male, female, teens, pre teens ,twenty somethings , thirty somethings, in their 40's,50's ,60's,70's 80's, 90's, 100 something year olds...
....now, 5 years ago, 10 yrs ago 50 yrs ago, 100 yrs ago,1000 yrs ago, almost 2000 yrs ago..
ALL KNOW Him to be true due to similar life experience in HAVING MET OUR LORD Jesus Christ . Through the BLESSING of The Holy Spirit we were given THE gift of Jesus from God.
B I L L I O N S of people ALL agree He "IS" . Not because we read about Him in a book~ He was not "taught" to us LIKE math or science or Oprahs favorite "serve self" books...
But because we experienced His invitation and the miracles He performs in our lives.
No other proof is needed of His existence,as billions of us KNOW the truth. YOU too can MEET your brother Jesus simply by asking Him into your heart.

..... people did NOT write the Bible , GOD made it RIGHT.

Catcher1

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#491577 Feb 21, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
You might be right but one can hope.
My theory is...when all of us over the age of 40 are gone...we will see a different world. The younger a person is...IMO...the less judgmental they seem to be.
I have the opportunity to talk to a lot of 20 year olds. They are more willing it seems to accept differences. They seem to want less anger...less hatred...more understanding.
In a sense...those that express their disdain for others...are doing their part to create change...just not the way that they had hoped for.
I have talked to those in that gay community that are in their 50s, 60s and older...they paved the way to where we are now. Some were beaten...threatened...lost their jobs...thrown out of their home...all knew people that lost their lives. It is already a different world.
All of those threats still exist but thanks to people such as yourself...it is a safer world for those people to come out of hiding. My hope is that one day no mother has to fear for their child's safety...nor to hear the words spoken against a child that they have loved and raised.
It is not just the gay community that feels the affects of such hatred...there are others.
About a year after 9/11 I was talking to a guy that worked at the market down the street from me...he was Muslim. I asked if he had felt the repercussions from that event. He told me that some friends...people that he had a relationship with...now crossed the street to avoid him.
A couple of months ago I had the honor of spending some time with a Native American...there are still those that see them as less than.
Racism toward Hispanics and African Americans still exist...people look at the homeless and instead of seeing people that have had a hard time...they see bums that are to be feared.
If there is a God out there somewhere...I don't believe that he meant it to be this way...at least not the side of him that I see.
You know LeLe...after all these years...each time that I read the story of Matthew Shepard...I still cry for his mom. I would like to think that one day...there will be no need to cry for a mom that lost her son due to hatred. I know...I am naive...thinking...believing that it could happen.
Anyway...thanks for letting me express myself...
Beautiful post, Annie.

Thank you.
Henry

Germany

#491578 Feb 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your complaint with that? Are you offering this quote and link as support for one of your claims that I am a liar? If so, what lie? Once again, you can't even begin to make that claim without juxtaposing two contradictory quotations.
Also, can you rebut the claim that Christianity teaches a very negative attitude about mankind and the world, as well as teaching dependency on the god to be rescued from all of that? You don't seem to have even tried. You just object. Too bad. You need to rebut it.
Recall that the comment was a response to Brother Lee Love when he wrote, "It seems, to me, that as this world hurls into chaos and destruction, that everyone seems to be waiting for someone, or something, to remedy the world's problems."
That is a common comment. The thread is littered with them. Here's one like it from Counter_Strike:
"We are flawed emotional beings prone to err, lust and greed."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
And another from lil whispers:
"I fully realize mankind is a total failure"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
This is a common mindset among Christians, and it is the result of an extremely pessimistic, nihilistic and misanthropic Christian doctrine.
Mankind is what it is! The nuclear age is probably the end of humanity!
mike

AOL

#491579 Feb 21, 2013
For the self-righteous know I'm saved wanna-be christian.

Here is a free reprograming:

The writer of Matthew 10:22 claims jesus said, endure to the end, you "Shall" "Be" "Saved".

Celebrating before the "End" is kinda foolish,..I think.

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#491580 Feb 21, 2013
mike wrote:
Thanks Riv.neck
I perfer to use my own imagination, once again you're making claims that can't be substantiated by anyone, or thing but your word only.
At this point, we're back where we started.
I understand a GOD will never show up, lets see if your dreams will saved the world.
Why did you bother with that post?

You could've just said, "I have no comeback, so now I'll start to talk shit."

O_o

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#491581 Feb 21, 2013
Henry wrote:
Sorry no god ever existed!
Henry wrote:
Jesus died 2000 years ago!
Make up your mind!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#491582 Feb 21, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
[HIV] is a socioeconomic problem, complicated by stigma and hatred.
That's where the church comes in so handy - as the source of that stigma and hatred. They choose to administer their religion by scapegoating gays, and the message is heard loudly and clearly by the entire culture as Hiding has delineated.

The Christian church appears to be the only significant source of homophobia in the West. It's not originating with the news media, nor Hollywood, nor the government, nor the schools. It's the church. The church has defined that value for America, which makes people's lives more difficult and dangerous. It does so selfishly in order to promote itself, and as far as I can see, offers nothing of value in return to offset the huge societal burden it imposes.

That's the definition of a societal parasite.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#491583 Feb 21, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
"They misunderestimated me." - GWB
"Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." --George W. Bush

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#491584 Feb 21, 2013
mike wrote:
For the self-righteous know I'm saved wanna-be christian.
Here is a free reprograming:
The writer of Matthew 10:22 claims jesus said, endure to the end, you "Shall" "Be" "Saved".
Celebrating before the "End" is kinda foolish,..I think.
Actually, Matthew 10:22 says:

"You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."

It's not at all about celebrating the end", as you suggest.

It's about how much is at stake in the witness and suffering taking place in Matthew 24 - that a believer’s future status in Heaven is being worked out in the choices he’s making on a day-to-day basis.
mike

AOL

#491585 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why did you bother with that post?
You could've just said, "I have no comeback, so now I'll start to talk shit."
O_o
Thanks

I didn't feel I was being "mean" in stating I'm unwilling to take your "word" for it.

“ IT'S A CHOICE !!!”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#491586 Feb 21, 2013
Illuminatrix wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think anyone wants to know what I think about that... HEya sis, i luv u...:D<
That's okay, I am just God's messenger. It's a choice... The road to 'Heaven is very narrow'...
mike

AOL

#491587 Feb 21, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, Matthew 10:22 says:
"You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved."
It's not at all about celebrating the end", as you suggest.
It's about how much is at stake in the witness and suffering taking place in Matthew 24 - that a believer’s future status in Heaven is being worked out in the choices he’s making on a day-to-day basis.
Again, thanks

You missed the "headliner".

The point I was making is,claiming your "saved" even before you can experience being "saved" is foolish.

Ultimately you can't be "saved" while living.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#491588 Feb 21, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Beautiful post, Annie.
Thank you.
:-)
mike

AOL

#491589 Feb 21, 2013
Just so you know, there are some here pretending to follow the GOD-concept just to make the concept look bad. Therefore, you sincere folks should practice "Deeds", rather than regurgitated words.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#491590 Feb 21, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
...I've witnessed here that saying Jesus Christ is the only way and that any other path goes to hell is hateful....
Depends on how one says such things.

Christians seem to get all huffy when I tell them the fact that Jesus never used the word Hell and further that Christians have no clue of what Jesus was talking about when he mentions Sheol and Gehenna.

Instead Christians just call me a hateful antichrist and that I am going to Hell.

The sword swings both ways, Chris.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#491591 Feb 21, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
@HIDING...I dont deny those who start in the faith from an early age are subjedt to at least some indoctrination. That doesnt mean however when becomming adults they arent capable of shaping their own beliefs and feelings that can be very different than what they were first taught. But thats neither here nor there as far as the particular topic at hand. I would ask you re-read the post I quoted you from IANS and tell me in your opinion is that post indicative of someone who feels Christians are indoctrinated?It talks about typical Christian thinking and thinking what they do because of how their church taught them and several other things that are basically Imo the definition and what the result of indoctrination would be. Do you agree?
"I would ask you re-read the post I quoted you from IANS and tell me in your opinion is that post indicative of someone who feels Christians are indoctrinated?"

I just read your post, which is indicative that you believe such a thing:

"I don't deny those who start in the faith from an early age are subject to at least some indoctrination."

I don't know if I have made this claim explicitly like you have or not, but I wouldn't argue with it. Nor have I ever contradicted it.

You also wrote, "That doesnt mean however when becoming adults they aren't capable of shaping their own beliefs and feelings that can be very different than what they were first taught."

It also doesn't mean that they are capable of doing that. A few toss it all out and break free.

If you remain a Christian, by definition, you cannot have shaken off all of your indoctrination. Just look at the word "indoctrination." It means doctrine coming in, as in doctrine being downloaded into your young and impressionable head. And millions of other heads, too.

Those of you that don't escape the religion seem to largely agree on many central theses of Christianity, such as the nihilism, pessism and misanthropy that characterizes Christian doctrine. That's the in-doctrine of indoctriantion, the most pessimistic aspects being embodied in its doctrine of man's ineluctable sin nature (i.e., its hamartiology), its doctrine of his need for rescue and his abject inability to help himself (soteriology), and its doctrine of apocalypse (eschatology).

Anyway, I still don't know what you claim I said before - what you think it meant - or what your problem with it is. You seem to be saying that all Christians are indoctrinated yourself.

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