Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#491193 Feb 20, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
One Third of all HIV cases are NOT related to homosexual activities according to the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/ba...
I opened the link and the first thing that I saw was the "Transmission Category" (that is, the aids transmission)... and according to those statistics male-to-male sexual contact by far, exeeds other types of aids transmission.

Male-to-male sexual contact: 28,782
Hetero sexual contact (the next highest number): 4,416

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#491194 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Once upon a time there were three Christians who went to a gay parade.
Two witnessed their way and one witnessed God's way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =AvK0RyWsjrcXX
God blessed one of them. How refreshing.
Interesting...

First, this was in Toronto, Canada has 'hate speech' laws so the guy "taking it from the Word to them" was displaying a pair, imo.

Was hard to hear some dialog of the woman, but I think she said the guy standing next to her was her husband. Just found it strange he had nothing to interject into the conversation.

But the most telling thing was the woman didn't try to substantiate her position scripturally in any way, but did admit when pressed she "stands on both the Bible and political correctness". And therein lies a dichotomy.
To the chagrin of some of the brethren, I'll just write it-

A believer shouldn't be holding their finger to the wind for the most favourable, touchy-feelly or least offensive position. Many today are doing just as this woman, putting their "politics before the Word." Who ,ultimately ,are we to be beholden to- man, or God?

I'm sure a few will take offence, sorry, call it as I see it. And if some respond don't be "offended" if I don't counter, I'm not able to "live on here" and not in the mood for a lOOooo-oooong drawn out discussion that will not result in any minds changed,only to go off on tangents.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491195 Feb 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Should we be concerned that a third of the creatures that knew the god personally and what life in heaven was like opted out?
hahaha!

No kidding! Major warning bells should be going off!

When people adopt a deity to worship, they should really run some questions by the angels first:

1. So, please tell me about your former employer.
2. What was it like working with the Almighty? Did He treat you fairly?
3. What is the nature of your complaints against Him?
4. If you could name one part of your job that you would keep, what would it be?
5. What was the worst part about working for Him?
6. If you were human, would you recommend this deity over any of the others?
7. On a good day, how did He treat you?
8. How many bad days were there in a week?
9. Was He the kind of deity you could beat at billiards or were you expected to lose?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#491196 Feb 20, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
i'm willing to bet everything i am and my eternal life that i'm on the right path! what say you?:)
Bad gamble. What are the odds that there is a god that requires you to guess correctly, and that you have done that? Zero. The god you chose is impossible.

And what is the cost of that choice? In this life, it's thousands of hours wasted on prayer, church and bible study, thousands of dollars, and your one shot at an authentic existence.

And in the extremely small chance that there is an afterlife in which we shall be judged, you have no idea who will be doing the judging, by what criteria, or what is at risk. I would suspect that if one of us pays a price for our choices, it will be you for throwing away your gifts - reason and conscience - and embracing an absurd and immoral doctrine.

Perhaps you were given those gifts to seek your true creator,and instead, have chosen a doctrine that teaches you to that your flesh is defective and that you should disesteem the world. If you and the universe were my creation, I don't know how I would feel about that.

You've it all on an an impossible and absurd belief. I like my bet better. It is in concert with reality. The universe is magnificent, not garbage. Man is magnificent, not a disease. And I was born with an inclination to wonder and to think, not to stifle them both and submit to priests.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#491197 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I opened the link and the first thing that I saw was the "Transmission Category" (that is, the aids transmission)... and according to those statistics male-to-male sexual contact by far, exeeds other types of aids transmission.
Male-to-male sexual contact: 28,782
Hetero sexual contact (the next highest number): 4,416
@ G, obviously HIV/AIDS has no longer the stigma where it is gay disease. I would just say that the open statistics by the CDC and the honesty displayed by the lgbtq community in sharing their sexual habits to help give a better understanding of AIDS transmission to help in prevention is noble.

How did it make the jump from homo- to hetero- though if the number suggests that the higher incidences may show the origin of it? My guess is that it had to be from Bi's-.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491198 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
I'm not wrong... I stated "perhaps" in my last post.
Ok...why did you bother with that statement whatsoever?
The reason why Africa does not have many gay statistics is because a majority of them are in hiding due to strict anti-gay laws there with imprisonment terms. And yes, a stigma over there.
You do realize that Africa is made of 51 different countries? The laws differ between them. In Sub-saharan Africa, most nations don't have laws against homosexuality. In South Africa, it's perfectly fine, openly fine. And, South Africa has the highest incidence of HIV in the world - overwhelmingly made of heterosexuals. In SSA, where HIV is the worst on the planet, HIV is a straight disease.
Obviously, if there are less gay statistics there are going to be more heterosexual statistics about women... who then pass it on to their children though birth. Men pass on HIV/AIDS to women more than women can transmit to man.
First, your logic is false. There aren't less "gay statistics."
Second...your premise is very strange. How can HIV be a gay male disease and passed on to women?

Do you even understand how you're contradicting yourself here?
As the link suggests... many gays are still married to hide the fact that they are gay.
It doesn't suggest that.
So basically they are BI because they are still having sex with their wives or girlfriends.
It doesn't suggest that. You are simply unable to separate your religious beliefs from how a pathogen works.
Why do you think, according to your statistics above, that women are "twice" as likely to get hiv/aids from men?
How many times do I have to repeat that HIV travels along lines of social inequality and discrimination? In SSA, men control money and women are subordinate. Labor jobs are seasonal and migratory. Men move around throughout the year, away from their homes and possibly families. They can't bring their wives/girlfriends with them b/c of how the economies work.

What do you think men want from women? How do you think women get money at all? They get it from their boyfriends. What do you think is being exchanged in relationships?
I remember looking at a documentary that rapes are at an epidemic in Africa... it doesn't matter if the rapes are from a stranger or from "intimate" partner violence as you stated above. HIV/AIDS can be passed down through any means of rape.
Yes. They said that 1 in 7 cases of HIV were caused by sexual violence. Are you sure you read through that?
I don't need a course on hiv/aids thank you... You like to project a lot I see. I know more about it than you may think.
You sure might know more than I think you know. It would be helpful if, in your writing, you would demonstrate this knowledge.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491199 Feb 20, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed.
Bible God is as 'evil' as 'good'.
At the very best, the book describes a creature that does not share in human morality. In any other case, it simply reflects its human authors.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491200 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
We have better statistics here in the U.S. because gays are more open about their sexual habits.
Where's your evidence for this? Better than where?

Uhm...you don't seem to know anything about South Africa.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491201 Feb 20, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
i'm actually informed and educated
baahahahahahaha, great joke :)

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#491202 Feb 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
He was new to me. I hope that that wasn't his best stuff.
He prays at the alter of Mediocrates for inspiration.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491203 Feb 20, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Religion promotes ignorance if it promotes adherence to dogmatic belief.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
Why?
RR, you're not this stupid. First, you erased my second sentence, which read "If science promotes adherence to dogmatic belief, it would also promote ignorance."

Second, I'll go slowly. What is "dogmatic belief" and how does it function?

A: dogmatic belief is the strict adherence to a belief system, regardless of evidence.

Science progresses b/c it specifically lacks dogma. No one says "you must all believe X and never, ever question X again!" That's not science. If you want, you can test X to try to disprove it.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#491204 Feb 20, 2013
Senecus wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting...
First, this was in Toronto, Canada has 'hate speech' laws so the guy "taking it from the Word to them" was displaying a pair, imo.
Yep, I noticed that too... Praise God, he's sold out to Jesus. It's always refreshing to see that.
Senecus wrote:
<quoted text>
Was hard to hear some dialog of the woman, but I think she said the guy standing next to her was her husband.
Yes... seems like he was having a good time himself at the parade.
Senecus wrote:
<quoted text>
Just found it strange he had nothing to interject into the conversation.
So basically, you may be thinking what I'm thinking. I pray that she don't have to "compete" in the future for her husband.
Senecus wrote:
<quoted text>
But the most telling thing was the woman didn't try to substantiate her position scripturally in any way, but did admit when pressed she "stands on both the Bible and political correctness". And therein lies a dichotomy.
It's all about showing love and supporting the gay community brother. Just messin' of course... but in my view I think the Christian who was passing out bibles and warning of judgement was showing more love.
Senecus wrote:
<quoted text>
To the chagrin of some of the brethren, I'll just write it-
A believer shouldn't be holding their finger to the wind for the most favourable, touchy-feelly or least offensive position. Many today are doing just as this woman, putting their "politics before the Word." Who ,ultimately ,are we to be beholden to- man, or God?
I'm sure a few will take offence, sorry, call it as I see it. And if some respond don't be "offended" if I don't counter, I'm not able to "live on here" and not in the mood for a lOOooo-oooong drawn out discussion that will not result in any minds changed,only to go off on tangents.
Amen.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491205 Feb 20, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems like you're under the impression that both Christianity & Atheism are forced onto people.
You chose to be an atheist & you keep choosing to be an atheist every day.
I chose to be Christian & I keep choosing that every day.
Unless you think we were "born that way"....
No, that's not what I wrote.

Do you deny that the choices you make come from who you are as a person, your personal history and development within a specific culture, time and language? Do you deny that your social circle, education, job, and so on play a significant role in not only the kinds of choices you can make, but which ones you do? Do you deny that your income level, class and sex, among other ascribed features, constrain your choices?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491206 Feb 20, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
One Third of all HIV cases are NOT related to homosexual activities according to the CDC:
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/surveillance/ba...
In America.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#491207 Feb 20, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
No, not Ted. Did you guess that because of the bear avatar?
Sorry.....Is that a Bear?

:-)

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491208 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
@ HFY
Just a question as this isn't the first or 2nd time.. but how long will you continue to use Projection? It's a form of hidden anger and they don't hide at all too well. Here's what you had said recently in some of your posts. I don't mind having a civil discussion on our differences... but personally I think it's a bit childish when you say things such as:
1. "I honestly don't expect you to understand what I'm writing."
2. "The problem here is that you do not understand what HIV is."
That's why I ignore a couple of the folks on here unless I'm bored... it's not worth the effort and digital space to even deal with them. Just a head's up.
It's not projection. You don't seem to understand what I'm writing. Sorry. You get it wrong when you "sum" up what I've written. And you seem to have very strange ideas about HIV - that gay men are actually bi and passing it on en masse in Africa, and that in all African nations gays are hiding. I'm sorry, but that grossly misunderstands the situation in Africa and entirely ignores local context.

Hey, you're welcome to ignore me. It's not a bother.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491209 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Gay blacks... yes it's true.
It's actually prison thing. Blacks are overrepresented in American prisons by percentage of the population. Likewise, HIV is 5X higher in prisons, mainly b/c condoms are not usually provided to prisoners, but also b/c a lot of sexual violence is carried out in prisons.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#491210 Feb 20, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
arigato Tide-sama. kimi mo atama ii ne.
Google translate isn't much help, but is this about money?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#491211 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Gay blacks... yes it's true.
Correct.

So does that mean that blacks are twice as likely to be gay ?

Or do the facts simply prove that HIV is no longer a "gay" problem ?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#491212 Feb 20, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>
I just snipped to get some snippets... It appears that you are contradicting yourself in 1, 2 and 5 above. You either believe they may exist or you don't.
In number 3 above...my physical evidence is creation and the orderly universe itself which The Creator created.
Number 4 is partially correct... God created the universe but he didn't create the fallen world. In Genesis, when God created and made everything... He saw to it that it was good, not evil.
1. Your snippets reduced my nuanced explanation. I'll simplify it for you: deities don't exist. That makes me an atheist.

2. The universe isn't created. Nothing about our sciences suggests that the universe is somethings creation. Therefore you are not basing your beliefs on evidence, but on your religious dogma.

If you knew more about science, and you interpreted the universe as designed, then you'd have an inference that it was created. As it stands, you're just being dogmatic - that's simple ignorance.

3. To repeat: your religion isn't special. It's like any other religion. You don't have any more than subjective experience for your beliefs. So we can simply dismiss your religious statements about the existence of the universe.

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