Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#490804 Feb 19, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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if you try to demoralize my environment with what YOU think is apporiate behavior rather than what the Creator says it is, you're gonna have me up in yur grill, AND i'm gonna be consistent about it:-)
You can eat sh!t and bark at the moon all you want Wussup. I am not afraid of godless liars like you.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#490805 Feb 19, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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At least douchebags serve a useful purpose, you could learn from one.
More of that compassion on display from the humanist clan. Thanks but no thanks.

Since: May 09

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#490806 Feb 19, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Just clueless
He could see in advance what Peter CHOSE to do. He didn't make Peter do it. How do you not understand the difference?
According to the myth, the Jesus! prophesied that Peter would do as he said.

Explain where the free will is within that story, since, once it was said it would happen, it had to play out just like it did, or, the Jesus! would have given false prophecy.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#490807 Feb 19, 2013
Adam wrote:
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I haven´t been here for a while.
You could use some compassion as well. Well I'm out.

Since: May 09

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#490808 Feb 19, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Or maybe go back to claiming someone saying you have incorrectly paraphrased me doesn't mean they are saying I have incorrectly paraphrased them
It isn't my error that you can't comprehend what was said and explained to you.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#490809 Feb 19, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I have two very good friends who study Reiki. A Reiki master was one of my study subjects when I studied homosexuality in Japan. He was a very interesting guy - I asked him to perform Reiki on me. I'm an atheist - a social scientist. I never fall for this kind of b.s. Basically, he held my hand while projecting whatever he was projecting. Nothing happened. You can believe in Reiki all you like - and my friends who study it (one at one of the top 4 universities in Canada) believe in it. I know it's completely dependent on the placebo effect.
Too bad you didn't get anything from it HFY;

***Some patients can have the placebo effect without getting a pill, shot, or procedure. Some may just feel better from visiting the doctor or doing something else they believe will help. That type of placebo effect seems most related to the degree of confidence and faith the patient has in the doctor or activity.

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsand... ***

Maybe you just didn't have faith?

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#490810 Feb 19, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Today's Prayer
Dear God, Today I feel led to pray for Christians to stand up for their beliefs when confronted with moral issues. I pray that we will know when, where, and what to say and do to let our voices be heard. I pray that we will be involved in our communities, schools, governments as possible. I pray that we will have the courage and rely on the power of the Holy Spirit to do what is right, what is biblical, and what honors you. Thank you for the guidelines you have given us through the Holy Bible. Thank you for the leaders you have provided to inspire, teach, and guide us. Thank you for all of your provisions and blessings. With love and appreciation I come to you, Father. In the name of Jesus, amen.
Prime time with God
Amen :)

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#490811 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I can tell you that it is pretty much impossible to get any kind of Christian to take a stand against immoral Christian behavior. Take this thread as an example. Pretty much all we saw throughout the whole Dimwit episode was tacit support for a slanderous piece of Christian waste.
If an unbeliever is waiting for Christians to come forward and say, "Skombolis, you are wrong. Clearly, you are guilty of what you are accused. You have shamed our god and our faith. Please apologize" you're going to be waiting a hell of a long time, aren't you?
One or two have stepped up and offered their own apologies, which I appreciate, but apparently, none will dare judge a fellow Christian unless it's over a doctrinal dispute
I did not give you an apology, but I did ask him to go back and do a reread based on what I read in one of his post’s to you where he had paraphrased something you said. You thanked me for it and Skom told me respectfully that I had not read the beginning of the discussion so I did not understand what the discussion was about. A few posts later there was a link to a discussion taking place on a different thread, so I assumed that I truly did not have all of the facts. I personally will not say that someone is wrong, unless I have all of the facts.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#490812 Feb 19, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
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When I find myself in a situation where I am discussing something with someone that seems dead set in their opinion, I simply remember:
“Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.”
For all I know I may be incorrect in how I am personally viewing things. I have found that simply remembering that God and love are the key elements in my own life, helps me to better judge if I am in the right place for me. Never give up hope my friend.
Lovely posting No Stress ~ Cheers, and good to see you :)

Since: May 09

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#490813 Feb 19, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Or go back to pointing out friendship as the motivating factor for why some of you defend others even while they are trying to claim it is merit
I see you didn't understand what I stated there, and then went on to elucidate even further in an additional post that a person can be a friend, and be objective when they correct what you misunderstand concerning that friends words, and why they would do so.

Maybe that concept eludes you.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#490814 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Bingo. Just get you some forgiveness on demand, and you're ready to go out and do it again.
you envy Jesus that he forgives?
mobile7

United States

#490815 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nope. Mocking shoddy Christian ethics. Look at this thread. What a mess.
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You'd lose. In an analogous situation, I'd use the exact same words.
But what if you were right? Would that invalidate my claims. Christians are free to forgive themselves without apologizing to their victims, making amends. Can you successfully dispute ?
Look at Dimwit here - Skombolis. He's as clearly as he can be. Christianity not only has no mechanism for preventing him from shirking his obligation, it facilitates it by teaching them that if he whispers at the light fixture that he has repented and is forgiven by the only two people that count - himself, and the reflection of that that he calls god.
But the body of Christ will lovingly correct him and reign him in, or the Spirit will move in him, right? Have you been following along?
On the other hand, have you witnessed the humanists and how we interact? Have you seen how our values manifest in us? We respect reason and compassion. We offer that to one another, and to those of you that care about such things, of which there have been a few.
Compare that with the behavior of the Christians and how they interact with one another.
I'm proud to be part of a much better ideology. Our values are not only better than Christian values wherever they are in conflict, we actually embody ours. You won't see any of us bickering, feuding, or flinging feces at one another like the Christians do - just giving reasoned, compassionate arguments.


You are acting like a big spoiled baby. You want
somebody to beg you for forgiveness just to make you look like you are right and they are wrong?? How old are you??????

Forgiveness can't be demanded and now you want to drag people into your argument that has nothing to do with your childish behavior. Maybe you will grow up during your retirement years...

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#490816 Feb 19, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Nope. He wouldn't have killed himself if he was that simple. Read the story again.
So obviously you God is responsible for the actions of Judas. So again I ask you this before and you never answer, here is the post again[[[[

[[[I see you point about Judas. So let me see if you is as wacky and a nutcase as that wilderide freethinker. You think a human being should be held responsible for they behavior? or put another way. A bar owner and bartender, see a customer come in they know is a drunk. and although that bar owner and bartender know this person is a alcoholic and will get drunk, should they trample on they constitutional right and not serve them alcohol? Who is responsible for the client getting drunk?, the bartender and owner? or the client that buy the alcohol and get drunk?]]]

you going to answer, or you going to ignore again?

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#490817 Feb 19, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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So do you not see any bigotry coming from the Christian side? Are some peoples post even though ugly and vile toward gays okay since they believe it to be God/Jesus inspired?
Most of you believe homosexuality is a sin...I get that whether I agree with that or not. Does that Bible tell you that that it is okay to stone them to death? The words that have been thrown around in here are just as or more so hurtful than if someone had hurled stones.
If it is okay...what is going on in here...then why the lesson..."Cast The First Stone"?
There are a couple of things about that story...
First Jesus stood up to an angry mob...took the risk to protect a woman that had sinned. That had to take some courage to stand up for what he perceived as "right" knowing that he too could have endured some of those stones.
Second...He did not say...Ye that have not committed the sin of adultery cast the first stone...it was “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Maybe some of those that are casting stones are without sin.
I understand why you see bigotry from the other side...you feel as if your faith is being threatened. Might sound strange...but I have seen it too.
I think about that quote...something like this...those who fight monsters need to be careful not to become monsters.
I think that is what has happened here...both sides need to look in to that abyss...and see what is staring back.
I understand...hard not to fall in to the mud when it is on our perspective side of the fence.
As I have read here...I don't want to become that monster that I fight...I don't want to look in to that abyss and see that I am no better than what I fight against...as much as I like to walk in mud puddles...I do not want to become covered with the muck.
There are many good Christians...non-Christians... straights and gays...that are just trying to make this world a little better than what they found it.
Oh well...I suppose this battle will continue...both sides vilifying the other...I think...
I will empty my bucket of stones...
Wow….thank you for opining the window to some much needed fresh air :O) Its good to read you AnnieJ!

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#490818 Feb 19, 2013
Opening even <<blush>>

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#490819 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Me, neither.
There is no such thing as spiritual discernment when it comes to understanding the printed word. There is only literacy and reading comprehension, both of which seem to be in short supply around here.
Yes there is spiritual Discernment.

Rather obvious by you using a verse to heap false criticisms on Jesus saying Jesus meant one thing...when Jesus no mean what you say.

Yes there is spiritual discernment, and you have Zero to Nil, for a fact.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#490820 Feb 19, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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HFN...I never said that I was mad at you nor that I no longer cherish your friendship.
Mostly I just used your post to write my thoughts after thinking about things for a couple of days. I thought with you it would not turn in to a back and forth rebuttal type situation.
I said that I understand your beliefs...I have always said that people have the right to disagree concerning this matter...I have also stated that it is one's right to vote against same-sex marriage.
Those issues have never been what I fight against.
I also said that I see the "bigotry" from both sides...that includes myself.
Some how it must have come across as that I was angry with you and no longer considered you a friend. If that is how you took it...I am sorry...I do not feel that way...nor did I intend for you to take it that way.
I hope that even though you believe it to be a sin that you can understand how hard it is for me as a mother to hear my son compared to a pedophile...and all the other characteristics that some have chosen to define him by.
I’m so glad you were not angry at me Annie. I want us to keep on being friends.

Yes I think I do understand how hard it is for you. You are his mother and you love him. I feel the same about one of my loved ones who was pretty messed up mentally. Partly from someone giving them something (a drug) they didn’t know about. They suffered for years because of it. The person dropped my loved one right off the bat. People acted like my loved one had something they might catch. I guess it is a good thing I didn’t know who it was. I found out not too long ago. I forgive the person now but not at first.

It is not exactly the same but I think close enough for me to understand. I understand feeling for someone you love when someone abuses them mentally or by doing something to them.

I’m glad we are still friends!!!
:)
HFN

Since: May 09

Location hidden

#490821 Feb 19, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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So do you not see any bigotry coming from the Christian side? Are some peoples post even though ugly and vile toward gays okay since they believe it to be God/Jesus inspired?
Most of you believe homosexuality is a sin...I get that whether I agree with that or not. Does that Bible tell you that that it is okay to stone them to death? The words that have been thrown around in here are just as or more so hurtful than if someone had hurled stones.
If it is okay...what is going on in here...then why the lesson..."Cast The First Stone"?
There are a couple of things about that story...
First Jesus stood up to an angry mob...took the risk to protect a woman that had sinned. That had to take some courage to stand up for what he perceived as "right" knowing that he too could have endured some of those stones.
Second...He did not say...Ye that have not committed the sin of adultery cast the first stone...it was “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Maybe some of those that are casting stones are without sin.
I understand why you see bigotry from the other side...you feel as if your faith is being threatened. Might sound strange...but I have seen it too.
I think about that quote...something like this...those who fight monsters need to be careful not to become monsters.
I think that is what has happened here...both sides need to look in to that abyss...and see what is staring back.
I understand...hard not to fall in to the mud when it is on our perspective side of the fence.
As I have read here...I don't want to become that monster that I fight...I don't want to look in to that abyss and see that I am no better than what I fight against...as much as I like to walk in mud puddles...I do not want to become covered with the muck.
There are many good Christians...non-Christians... straights and gays...that are just trying to make this world a little better than what they found it.
Oh well...I suppose this battle will continue...both sides vilifying the other...I think...
I will empty my bucket of stones...
The Jesus walks up as the crowd begins to stone the harlot. He walks to the center, and the crowd hushes as he begins to write in the sand. He stands, pointing at the writing in the sand, and says; "Let he who is among you without sin cast the first stone"



From deep in the crowd a stone comes flying, and hits the harlot square in the head. The crowd groans and parts, revealing the culprit, a woman, who stands defiant and proud...
















...and the the Jesus yell's...


"I'll be a sonofabitch mom, go home!

Since: Oct 12

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#490822 Feb 19, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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They have a useless deity it seems. One that can only survive on ignorance, lies and fear.
There is a name the Christians use for that deity...now, what was it ?
Ssssss.... Shhhh... velvet ? Yeah, Satin! oops, that's not it... <wanders off muttering>
Could it be voldemort? I thought he was dead!

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#490823 Feb 19, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
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WOW, I hope I can love up to that at least part of the time.
Hey HFN ~ I'm scrolling backwards and just want to say I'm still your friend :)

Have to get ready for work now, so won't get to read anything else this morning, so hope everyone is doing OK with whatever they are doing, all over this world we all share together!!

Blessings of Peace to us all, Serah

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