“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#490684 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Bingo. Just get you some forgiveness on demand, and you're ready to go out and do it again.
Chris Clearwater wrote:
Mocking Christ.
Nope. Mocking shoddy Christian ethics. Look at this thread. What a mess.
Chris Clearwater wrote:
I would bet you wouldn't mock a Muslim or a Buddhist as you do Christians here.
You'd lose. In an analogous situation, I'd use the exact same words.

But what if you were right? Would that invalidate my claims. Christians are free to forgive themselves without apologizing to their victims, nor making amends. Can you successfully dispute that?

Look at Dimwit here - Skombolis. He's as clearly wrong as he can be. Christianity not only has no mechanism for preventing him from shirking his moral obligation, it facilitates it by teaching them that if he whispers at the light fixture that he has repented and is forgiven by the only two people that count - himself, and the reflection of that that he calls god.

But the body of Christ will lovingly correct him and reign him in, or the Spirit will move in him, right? Have you been following along?

On the other hand, have you witnessed the humanists and how we interact? Have you seen how our values manifest in us? We respect reason and compassion. We offer that to one another, and to those of you that care about such things, of which there have been a few.

Compare that with the behavior of the Christians and how they interact with one another.

I'm proud to be part of a much better ideology. Our values are not only better than Christian values wherever they are in conflict, we actually embody ours. You won't see any of us bickering, feuding, or flinging feces at one another like the Christians do - just giving reasoned, compassionate arguments.

Since: Mar 09

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#490685 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's exactly what it means, Dim.
A future that can be known fully and in advance is determined. Free will means that decisions are made at the time of action, are undetermined - that is, uncaused - and cannot be known in advance even by those making them, since they are free to change their minds.
Your bible is simply in error again. It reflects the simplistic thinking of people like you and the bronze age thinkers that wrote it, who really didn't understand what free will is. Just because you have an unconflicted and unimpeded intention to act and then do so doesn't mean that you chose to have it or that it was not the result of deterministic processes.
Don't forget to wash the windshield and check the oil.
LOL

IANS is going to tell everybody the rules of knowing the future

Tell me IANS, what scientific method did you use to determine someone knowing the future choices someone else will make eliminates their free will even though they look at the choices they made AFTER they made them by looking into the future?

It is such simple concepts like these that are hilarious to listen to you guys try to argue against the Bible with.

So do you believe if someone on Earth right now knows the future but doesn't tell anyone that him having that knowledge means none of us have free will?

Pay attention, it simply means someone can see what CHOICES we made on the days we made them. We still have free will and the ability to make any choice we wanted and whatever choice we picked would be what someone who could see into the future would see

They didn't dictate our choices thus making them predestined, they simply would have the ability to see what we chose

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#490686 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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To the best of my recollection, you've never denied that your mother was a whore. If somebody can't even bring themselves to deny such an allegation about his own mother, the sense I get about them and their mother is not a good one.
Like I said, I love watching these these new and "improved" ethics of a society without God

I have no reason to need to deny it because i have never said anything that would remotely suggest it. You on the other hand have made many comments which leads me to believe you never cared about your patients. In fact I just saw another post telling me to play social worker and what-not since clearly you were not the kind of doctor who took a personal interest in his patients. You did the bare minimum required by law and to cover your butt and then walked away. You come across as someone more concerned about you when dealing with your patients and them suing you then whether or not they get better. You must have have been just an awful doctor. You probably told yourself you got rid of patients who didn't follow instructions. My guess is they left you in droves

You will remain in basement, which is quite fitting for a doctor who doesn't care about his patients

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#490687 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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On the other hand, have you witnessed the humanists and how we interact? Have you seen how our values manifest in us? We respect reason and compassion.
LOL

You have named your little group the "humanists"?

Wow do you have delusions of grandeur

You are a nobody dude. You are a retired doctor who didn't care about his patients that comes online asking people if they sleep with sheep and sell drugs to children and if their mother is a whore and think because you got some people with gaping holes in their lives to look up to you that you are some movement?

The humanists?

How about "the delusionists"?

~snicker

When you die there will be just as many Christians as today give or take 1%

These hours upon hours and little personal manifestos you write are nothing more than an old man who still wants to feel important after leaving a job in which he had a god-complex yet sucked at his job in the ways that counted the most. Go feed some pigeons. You will actually accomplish more.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#490688 Feb 19, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction, God DID make Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.
Indeed Ms. Knowledge, indeed.
I am sure glad your name isn't Ms. Information though.

:)+)

Andrew (CS).

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#490689 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nope. Mocking shoddy Christian ethics. Look at this thread. What a mess.
<quoted text>
You'd lose. In an analogous situation, I'd use the exact same words.
But what if you were right? Would that invalidate my claims. Christians are free to forgive themselves without apologizing to their victims, nor making amends. Can you successfully dispute that?
Look at Dimwit here - Skombolis. He's as clearly wrong as he can be. Christianity not only has no mechanism for preventing him from shirking his moral obligation, it facilitates it by teaching them that if he whispers at the light fixture that he has repented and is forgiven by the only two people that count - himself, and the reflection of that that he calls god.
But the body of Christ will lovingly correct him and reign him in, or the Spirit will move in him, right? Have you been following along?
On the other hand, have you witnessed the humanists and how we interact? Have you seen how our values manifest in us? We respect reason and compassion. We offer that to one another, and to those of you that care about such things, of which there have been a few.
Compare that with the behavior of the Christians and how they interact with one another.
I'm proud to be part of a much better ideology. Our values are not only better than Christian values wherever they are in conflict, we actually embody ours. You won't see any of us bickering, feuding, or flinging feces at one another like the Christians do - just giving reasoned, compassionate arguments.
Code blue code blue Dr shrink,Dr Reality crash cart needed is a cor on the floor with patient ianso.His values are dieing.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#490690 Feb 19, 2013
Greetings, salutations, and shalowm, all.

It's been a little while, but I should be back, now. I had a family member, from Boston, visit, and I think they'll be with us for a little while. I didn't think it appropriate to continue here while trying to spend time with them, too, trying to catch up and all. We've caught up, I think. I'm, also, trying to encourage them to join us here. We'll see. But, anyway and like I said, I should be back. So, with that being said...post, so I can jump in.(smile)

Until next time, my friends...

May the shalowm of our 'Elohiym rest here.
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#490691 Feb 19, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
You call obese people ungodly sinners and deny them their civil rights because you think over eating is a sin ?
BTW, gluttony is not a sin in the Bible. It was one of the "Seven Deadly Sins" introduced into Christianity by Pope Gregory a few centuries after Jesus was dead.
glutony is very famous and popular among RCC priests,cardinals, etc...
They look like old fat elephant,or huge male pigs

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#490692 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I can tell you that it is pretty much impossible to get any kind of Christian to take a stand against immoral Christian behavior. Take this thread as an example. Pretty much all we saw throughout the whole Dimwit episode was tacit support for a slanderous piece of Christian waste.
If an unbeliever is waiting for Christians to come forward and say, "Skombolis, you are wrong. Clearly, you are guilty of what you are accused. You have shamed our god and our faith. Please apologize" you're going to be waiting a hell of a long time, aren't you?
One or two have stepped up and offered their own apologies, which I appreciate, but apparently, none will dare judge a fellow Christian unless it's over a doctrinal dispute
People see you are a liar and a bigot

What exactly do you think they would have to correct me on?

Do you think a single Christian in here doesn't remember you telling Juicy she got you all wrong when she said you felt all or most Christians are indoctrinated? Nobody is impressed with whatever dishonest technicality you want to try to use to deny it. They have seen you lie over and over again, denying an entire statement and finally claiming months later you denied it because within the sentence I said proof not evidence, even though proof is a higher standard and would have been in your favor that I said proof?

Do you think anyone with commons sense can't see when you claim Christians don't need to feel bad about those they hurt or make amends because they can ask the sky for forgiveness wasn't meant as a negative implication to Christians?

You have had some people in your little group lying for you for so long and covering your lies that you have actually started to believe you are honest and that you aren't a bigot.

Dude, you are one of the most bigoted, dishonest posters on Topix

Why do you think nobody Christian or non-Christians alike that reads in here other than the few (I don't don't know what to call them, maybe dependents) dependents that travel around with you has said anything? They can see you are a liar and a bigot clear as day yet you keep whining for more help as your dependents circling the wagons isn't enough

Learn to stand on your own two feet 'doctor' and take responsibility for your words
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#490693 Feb 19, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
Code blue code blue Dr shrink,Dr Reality crash cart needed is a cor on the floor with patient ianso.His values are dieing.
explain more simple and clear about your label code?

have nice day lill?

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#490694 Feb 19, 2013
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#490695 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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English isn't any of his languages.
you are not my lawyer.
I rather pee on you ,as to make my spokesan
Please?use proper behaviristic ethics and stop mention rascism and hateful nationalism(hitler style)
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#490696 Feb 19, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Makes sense to me.
of course only to you?

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#490697 Feb 19, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
You call obese people ungodly sinners and deny them their civil rights because you think over eating is a sin ?
BTW, gluttony is not a sin in the Bible. It was one of the "Seven Deadly Sins" introduced into Christianity by Pope Gregory a few centuries after Jesus was dead.
we all have alcoholic friends and family, but we love then still. are you an enabler of destructive addictions, a compassionate interventionist or just an insecure ass-kiss who's afraid to take an honest position?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#490698 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Nazi Germany was almost exclusively Christian. The Jews in Nazi Germany had about as much hope of German Christians taking a minority position against the immoral behavior of fellow Christians in uniform as I did in this thread.
I'm sure that we can make much better people than that. We need a better ideology than Christianity with its repeatedly failed moral system. Look at you.
What faith nazi Germany had to claim since Hitler claimed it had nothing to do with the conversation

And an old bitter retired doctor who didn't care about his patients and asks if people's mothers were whores and if they slept with sheep is going to lecture anyone on ethics?

A guy that will not only deny he made the denial but already is setting up his excuse claiming posts like these wouldn't be considered thinking someone is indoctrinated

IANS said

"It seems that way to you because you have been trained to think that way, a characteristically Christian way of thinking. You see the world principally as a decadent and dangerous place that is getting worse, even as it gets better. And you project your own Christian psychology of sitting by helplessly waiting to be rescued. It's so negative, passive and disabling.

I blame your church for teaching you to think this way."

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

You are a bigot and a liar and self-blind. No honest person could read that above post and not conclude you feel Christians have been indoctrinated. But because you now need to defend your earlier lie you will stick with this lie. I have seen my share of liars on Topix but i think you top the list for someone who believes his own lies
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#490699 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I put this into Google translate, but it wasn't able to identify the language. Please advise. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php...
genius ego like yours???
and not able to make right english words
YOU ARE NOT MY STUDENT TO ADVICE YOU ANYTHING OR DEBATE ANYTHING WITH YOU,
just you are low ignorant atheistic piece of insultive primitive s...
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#490700 Feb 19, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
People see you are a liar and a bigot
What exactly do you think they would have to correct me on?
Do you think a single Christian in here doesn't remember you telling Juicy she got you all wrong when she said you felt all or most Christians are indoctrinated? Nobody is impressed with whatever dishonest technicality you want to try to use to deny it. They have seen you lie over and over again, denying an entire statement and finally claiming months later you denied it because within the sentence I said proof not evidence, even though proof is a higher standard and would have been in your favor that I said proof?
Do you think anyone with commons sense can't see when you claim Christians don't need to feel bad about those they hurt or make amends because they can ask the sky for forgiveness wasn't meant as a negative implication to Christians?
You have had some people in your little group lying for you for so long and covering your lies that you have actually started to believe you are honest and that you aren't a bigot.
Dude, you are one of the most bigoted, dishonest posters on Topix
Why do you think nobody Christian or non-Christians alike that reads in here other than the few (I don't don't know what to call them, maybe dependents) dependents that travel around with you has said anything? They can see you are a liar and a bigot clear as day yet you keep whining for more help as your dependents circling the wagons isn't enough
Learn to stand on your own two feet 'doctor' and take responsibility for your words
SURE HE IS LIAR AND BIGOT
I read all his post, his post sounds full of lies,insults,accusations and pretences

I also read your posts,mostly they sounds truthfuly and fit sometimes harsh words of Bible against such miserable atheistic creature,and trush diger from the past to fit his wicked agendas.

he is not able to take responsibilty for his word,because without of own honor person never respect own words directed against others

Have good day Skom
Adam

Frankfurt Am Main, Germany

#490701 Feb 19, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
So do you not see any bigotry coming from the Christian side? Are some peoples post even though ugly and vile toward gays okay since they believe it to be God/Jesus inspired?
Most of you believe homosexuality is a sin...I get that whether I agree with that or not. Does that Bible tell you that that it is okay to stone them to death? The words that have been thrown around in here are just as or more so hurtful than if someone had hurled stones.
If it is okay...what is going on in here...then why the lesson..."Cast The First Stone"?
There are a couple of things about that story...
First Jesus stood up to an angry mob...took the risk to protect a woman that had sinned. That had to take some courage to stand up for what he perceived as "right" knowing that he too could have endured some of those stones.
Second...He did not say...Ye that have not committed the sin of adultery cast the first stone...it was “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Maybe some of those that are casting stones are without sin.
I understand why you see bigotry from the other side...you feel as if your faith is being threatened. Might sound strange...but I have seen it too.
I think about that quote...something like this...those who fight monsters need to be careful not to become monsters.
I think that is what has happened here...both sides need to look in to that abyss...and see what is staring back.
I understand...hard not to fall in to the mud when it is on our perspective side of the fence.
As I have read here...I don't want to become that monster that I fight...I don't want to look in to that abyss and see that I am no better than what I fight against...as much as I like to walk in mud puddles...I do not want to become covered with the muck.
There are many good Christians...non-Christians... straights and gays...that are just trying to make this world a little better than what they found it.
Oh well...I suppose this battle will continue...both sides vilifying the other...I think...
I will empty my bucket of stones...
It's too hard! Whether the woman standing in front of Jesus, thought about her situation? It was not good for her, because she had not come voluntarily to Jesus, but had been dragged before him. Not moved by compassion people had brought them to Jesus. An entanglement of guilt and hypocrisy surrounding the woman and Jesus. They had found an indictment against the ground, looking for a woman to Jesus. The question of the sinlessness of the accuser was answered in amazing ways. Suddenly she stood alone in front of Jesus. Adultery was occupied by the Jewish law with the death penalty. What this woman could expect other than the death sentence from Jesus' mouth?(Read 3.Mose 20.10; 5.Mose 22.22; Matth.5 0.17 to 20.) We do not know how she saw herself her fault. Perhaps she suffered and did not want to commit adultery, but sin had yet again gained power over them. Was made many people like it, that they want to stop sinning and they do not succeed anyway. Your good intentions will not help, they are always overwhelmed by the sin. It is really overwhelmed and under the power of sin can suffer greatly. Martin Luther describes it?... me my sin tormented night and day, in which I was born, I fell even more deeply of that, it was not my Guts alive, the sin possessed me.?(Read Röm.7 0.14 to 20.) When Luther wrote that song, he had previously recognized Jesus as the justice of God, who came into our world? To destroy the devil's work?. Therefore, he could begin his song with the words: Well rejoice, love gmein Christians, and let us jump merrily? Since the victory of Jesus on Calvary, the signs in the battle against sin to win. That we too experience.(Read Röm.7, 24.25; 1.Cor.15, 54b-57; 2.Kor.5 17)

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#490702 Feb 19, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
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SURE HE IS LIAR AND BIGOT
I read all his post, his post sounds full of lies,insults,accusations and pretences
I also read your posts,mostly they sounds truthfuly and fit sometimes harsh words of Bible against such miserable atheistic creature,and trush diger from the past to fit his wicked agendas.
he is not able to take responsibilty for his word,because without of own honor person never respect own words directed against others
Have good day Skom
Have a good one Shrink

I mean t to respond to your post the other day but ran out of time but i agree, I have seen many people come out of prison for the better

Unfortunately not nearly enough as the system is designed for high recidivism and unless someone has a great support system in place (family and/or friends) they are probably going to fail and jails are designed to be punitive not rehabilitative. Even for those who just want vengeance it is in their own interests for jails to be rehabilitative

But even in the midst of the chaos there are people who have found Jesus. And they don't use it as currency or talk about it to those making decisions about their lives (the ones that are sincere imo) as the new-found peace is obvious in their mannerisms.

I know there are Christian bigots and they want to broad-brush millions upon millions of people because of some that probably use the faith more as political currency than true belief or just some who have stumbled terribly but most people understand that people are people. And some people their faith has helped them to be better people. other people continued as they would have anyway. There are very few people in the U.S. that I would say are worse off because of faith. Maybe under 3% and even that may be very high as i personally know of one person who I can say it has had a negative influence in their life as imo they don't live their faith but are ruled by it and live in like paranoia and fear and with blinders on

Anyway if in the worst places in society people can find Christ I am not worried about the ramblings of prejudiced people. Like most prejudiced people, they are marginalized by the decent majority of society, believers and unbelievers alike

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#490703 Feb 19, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
It's not private.

Well it should be.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You're as welcome to my opinion of you as anybody else.
Sorry, invitation denied.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You think
Yes I do, and my thinking isn't as skewed as yours either.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
...I said or implied that?
Yes, you just did. I do a lot of thinking but I don't like procrastinating.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Go on.
Yes, I will. I'm glad you enjoy what I have to say.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
"Limp"?

Not at all, but "limp" does describe your 'ideas' thus far. When are we going to see these "brilliant" ideas of yours?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
In what way can the word "limp" be applied to an argument?
It was just applied,m or are you not seeing properly?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
"Inhumanely"?

"Limp" cannot be applied inhumanely, or at least not to my understanding.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Nice choice.
Thanks, I know. I'm glad you're a fan.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Are you confusing osteoporosis with pathological compression fractures and kyphosis?
No I'm not. You just decided to add that. Maybe you have been confused for a long time.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I think so.
I think so too.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
How can we possibly communicate given this difference of opinion about what words mean?
I don't know. Maybe we shouldn't.
:)
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Let's see.
Why the change of heart?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I don't care what about what you believe because of your religion.
You really sound confused now. You want to communicate with me yet you don't care about what I believe because of some religion. Interesting.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Do tell.
I just did. I said you sound confused. Want me to repeat it once more?
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You don't mind if I take the liberty....?
You have taken too many already. I think about now you should head to the back of the line.

CS.

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