Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#490429 Feb 18, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Knowing what choice someone will make ahead time doesn't mean they didn't have a choice. That choice simply can be seen in advance
I don't understand how this keeps coming up and am not going to get into a long debate about it but according to the logic you guys employ if Ms Cleo really could see into the future it would mean man has no free will
It makes no sense. By looking into the future what one is really doing is putting themselves at a point in time where the events they are looking at have already taken place and are now part of the past. Them having the ability to do so in no way altered or dictated those events
I respect you Hiding but this particular way of thinking has never made any sense. The only way someone knowing someone else's future could possible have any impact on that person is if they told the person ahead of time what their future was. Then by knowing that it might cause them to act differently. But being able to see what someone decided to do by looking into the future in no way took away their free will. Had Judas made a different choice than that is what God would have seen by knowing the future.
Did you ever read Dune? That was the whole point of the book - to address what would happen if someone could see the future. Spencer decided that if you could see the future, you would be constrained by it.

Anyways, I think you're mistaken here. God sent His son knowing He how the story went. Had He Created a different universe, He would have had a different outcome. But He didn't. He Chose this universe and that outcome.

Also, having read the story, it appears to me that Judas doesn't actually want to betray Jesus. It's just that he has no choice, because God removed his free will.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#490430 Feb 18, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
You were a doctor and didn't know Ritalin had the adverse affect in adults.
There's a reason why I'm licensed to prescribe Ritalin, and why you would go back to prison just for having it in your possession. One of us is a trusted pillar of his community, the other a convict.

The word I got is that you peddled drugs to children. Are you registered?

Since: Jan 11

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#490431 Feb 18, 2013
Clementia wrote:
Cool! I've heard that before!
Do you play video games?

I have the new Sly Cooper.

I need to go pull a heist, so I'll see you later!

Hopefully I won't get caught be Interpol.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#490432 Feb 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I'm assuming you mean God...
As an attorney, you probably understand what an onus is & why it's on you now.
Sounds like one of those horrible perversions the kooks here keep railing about.

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Since: Aug 12

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#490433 Feb 18, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Of course.
Homosexuals live their lives traumatized by bigots like you.
And oh, I said in the last five years, not twelve.
No.. they live their lives traumatized by guilt, lust and perversion. I gave you the last 12 on purpose as an act of disobedience.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490434 Feb 18, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>3 out of 4 pedophiliacs are homosexual according to a study I posted earlier.
pedophiliacs ??

.. your study is incorrect ..

.. some people are impervious to logic and, whether true or false, will use any means to promote their prejudice ..

.. as in the past, you will continue to maintain your antagonistic teaching about homosexuality and systemically ignore any and all counter-evidence presented ..

.. until you understand gender roles, comparative cultures, ethnocentrism and documented biological and putative psycho-social evidence regarding sexual orientation, your condemnation of same-sex love is not a reasonable or coherent position ..

.. your mistaken beliefs are from a bygone age that refuses to die, a superstition that refuses to succumb to reason. It is an assertion of blind faith in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence ..

.. debating with you or CS is a waste of my time. Your arrogance, outright lies, name-calling and tarot reading disgust me ..

.. since you are not my intellectual or spiritual equal, my engaging you in debate would be sinful. You see, unlike yourself, I am a compassionate person ..

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#490435 Feb 18, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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One must also recall that millions of Christians, Muslims, Hindi, Buddhists and atheists fought and died to stop Hitler, IE: The Allied Powers. USA, Canada, Britain, Australia, New Zealand, China, India, Russian, France, etc.
Yes, and I'm sure for those people, morality played a huge role. But - and I might be totally off here - the Allies didn't enter the war for moral reasons, but economic ones and impending doom (i.e., no choice). In fact, most Western nations lauded Hitler's method of dealing with the Jews, partly b/c they didn't realize the full extent of the horror. Once that news got out - which, if I'm not mistaken, only took place upon the taking of the concentration camps - the war became a moral one.

And Japan fought to ... oh, right...uh...nevermind.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#490436 Feb 18, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Worry not my beauty, we WILL, yoU r cOM*passion is truly BLESSED <<BRIGHT SMILE>
On an entirely different note, I truly enjoyed that clip you posted,,, but in my MEaN deringss,,,
I've quite forgotten... was IT ANdie CauuL fields???
<*><*>
Andy Kaufman? Latka? Dank you veddy much.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490437 Feb 18, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>this is what I'm talking about folks... I post to another poster about agreeing in protecting kids from the sexually deviant (namely pedophiles)... and yet I'M the one who is disgusting.
All the different type of fornications are kin to each other imho. The parents of the fornications family are Lust and "Surrender T. Temptation".
Qu_innocence wrote: I'm sure we agree that we need to protect the kids (male & female) from the sexually deviant.

.. since you consider me a sexual deviant, how will you protect me from my own daughter ??..

.. you're still disgusting ..

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490438 Feb 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Ah. Then I agree. Yes, it is all abuse and it is all disgusting.
Pedophiles should be taken to the vet & put down.
.. therein lies the rub. Some posters on this thread want to equate homosexuality with pedophilia ..

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#490439 Feb 18, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Did you ever read Dune? That was the whole point of the book - to address what would happen if someone could see the future. Spencer decided that if you could see the future, you would be constrained by it.
Anyways, I think you're mistaken here. God sent His son knowing He how the story went. Had He Created a different universe, He would have had a different outcome. But He didn't. He Chose this universe and that outcome.
Also, having read the story, it appears to me that Judas doesn't actually want to betray Jesus. It's just that he has no choice, because God removed his free will.
lady, Judas was a greedy money grubbing selfish arnold benedict that wanted to line his pocket rather than follow the savior. that all.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#490440 Feb 18, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>No.. they live their lives traumatized by guilt, lust and perversion. I gave you the last 12 on purpose as an act of disobedience.
It's not a good idea to be disobedient of Pastor Catcher.

The Lake of Fire may await.

Hey, what happened to that "list" that had you in such a turmoil?

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Since: Aug 12

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#490441 Feb 18, 2013
A Short, Sean Hannity Report on NAMBLA

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Since: Jan 12

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#490442 Feb 18, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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pedophiliacs ??
.. your study is incorrect ..
.. some people are impervious to logic and, whether true or false, will use any means to promote their prejudice ..
.. as in the past, you will continue to maintain your antagonistic teaching about homosexuality and systemically ignore any and all counter-evidence presented ..
.. until you understand gender roles, comparative cultures, ethnocentrism and documented biological and putative psycho-social evidence regarding sexual orientation, your condemnation of same-sex love is not a reasonable or coherent position ..
.. your mistaken beliefs are from a bygone age that refuses to die, a superstition that refuses to succumb to reason. It is an assertion of blind faith in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence ..
.. debating with you or CS is a waste of my time. Your arrogance, outright lies, name-calling and tarot reading disgust me ..
.. since you are not my intellectual or spiritual equal, my engaging you in debate would be sinful. You see, unlike yourself, I am a compassionate person ..
spiritual? I thought you was a freethinker?

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#490443 Feb 18, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
pedophiliacs ??
.. your study is incorrect ..
.. some people are impervious to logic and, whether true or false, will use any means to promote their prejudice ..
.. as in the past, you will continue to maintain your antagonistic teaching about homosexuality and systemically ignore any and all counter-evidence presented ..
.. until you understand gender roles, comparative cultures, ethnocentrism and documented biological and putative psycho-social evidence regarding sexual orientation, your condemnation of same-sex love is not a reasonable or coherent position ..
.. your mistaken beliefs are from a bygone age that refuses to die, a superstition that refuses to succumb to reason. It is an assertion of blind faith in the face of overwhelming contrary evidence ..
.. debating with you or CS is a waste of my time. Your arrogance, outright lies, name-calling and tarot reading disgust me ..
.. since you are not my intellectual or spiritual equal, my engaging you in debate would be sinful. You see, unlike yourself, I am a compassionate person ..
Me, me, me!!

Engage me!!

I graduated summa cum laude from the Dark Ages.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#490444 Feb 18, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Like I stated in my last post (I know you haven't seen it yet, just saying) there aren't a lot of heroes in the world. It is easy to play Monday morning QB. But why do you limit it to those of religions? You say
"In fact, you're just like any other believer in any other religion"
Wouldn't the more accurate statement be people are just like people no matter where they are from?
I suppose, but some of us aren't believers. That's where I was drawing the line. I know I'm wrong about almost everything and I know my personal subjective experience isn't indicative of objective reality and I know that other peoples have wildly differing versions of subjective reality than I do - and I know that I may not be able to fully comprehend their understandings of reality, but that they are, for them, as equally compelling as my own.

Can you say this and know it to be true? In the doing so, you will be admitting that your deity isn't real for everyone - this is where I draw the line. Some believers of some religions are capable of acknowledging their religion isn't for everyone, but the vast majority in contemporary times cannot. Their religions are mutually exclusive to other people's realities.
It is weird to me you seem to single out those of faith for somehow what you see as their failing to stop something they had no power to stop and say nothing of people in general
And like you noted, it was people of faith that started things such as the underground railroad
You mean WWII? I'm pointing out that Christians do not act like they have a perfectly moral deity on their side. In fact, Christians act like any other people. That's a problem for your religion, since you make claims to the contrary.
What are you basing your statements on that Christians leaders around the country or those within the Vatican approved of Hitler? I have done a lot of research on the subject and have never seen anything that pure speculation by basically anti-Christian movements that perhaps anti-Jewish sentiment shared by some within the faith led to them not speaking out. Of course there is no proof that is the case and anybody who did speak out for the most part got jailed or killed so i don't know what they are forming their conclusions on
The Vatican acted as a money laundering tool for Hitler. You're telling me they did this because they were so upset with Nazi Germany that the best way to defeat them would be to provide them with banking services? To send the Pope to have pictures taken with Hitler in a fake show of support that was ultimately aimed at ... what?

So...what did your research show you about the Vatican's actions toward Hitler? And, did you use original manuscripts and interviews?

One of the things we have a discrepancy here is that I'm not actually talking about Nazi Germany and you are. I was mainly talking about the reaction to Nazi Germany by the leaders of Western nations and the Vatican. All were pretty cool with Germany until it was clear Hitler wanted all of Europe. And, the other stuff I wrote in another post above.

Got to go for breakfast!

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#490445 Feb 18, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>lady, Judas was a greedy money grubbing selfish arnold benedict that wanted to line his pocket rather than follow the savior. that all.
Arnold Benedict?

Was he related to Ruth Benedict?

Check her out. She was an outstanding sociologist. I read two of her books.

But Arnold I'm not familiar with.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, yes. Arnold Benedict, not so much.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#490446 Feb 18, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Humor me and tell me if you now know the effect Ritalin has in adults compared to children?
Get a medical degree, and then we'll talk.

In the meantime, fill 'er up with unleaded, and don't forget to check under the hood.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#490447 Feb 18, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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Qu_innocence wrote: I'm sure we agree that we need to protect the kids (male & female) from the sexually deviant.
.. since you consider me a sexual deviant, how will you protect me from my own daughter ??..
.. you're still disgusting ..
Oh... I see that you're already familiar with them:

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Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. they (the IGLA) originally accepted NAMBLA based on a platform of de-criminalization of sexual relations between consenting 16 & 17 year-old teens and mature men ..
The only reason why the Internat'l Gay and Lesbian Alliance (IGLA) dropped NAMBLA from their platform was for what reason? Hint: It wasn't necessarily because of NAMBLA's mission statement.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490448 Feb 18, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>spiritual? I thought you was a freethinker?
.. where's the contradiction ??..

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