Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#490190 Feb 18, 2013
Serah wrote:
Francis Collins must have seen much to make him change his mind so drastically; but perhaps it is how we perceive things as individuals that directs our futures :)
I think that people who see a god wherever they look are projecting an image generated in their minds onto the world rather that perceiving something in the external world that other people can't see. The tip off is that no two people seem to agree on what they see out there, and most eventually contradict themselves about what they see.

This means that even if there is something out there, nobody here knows what, and that there is therefore nothing demanding our worship or submission except people claiming to speak for a god.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490191 Feb 18, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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In and of itself providing care for a dying person is a necessity and one I am glad is available for some anyway.
In this particular instance it wouldn't be the type of care provided but the quality of it and the motivation behind it I would question.
How does someone talk about cutting off patients for not following instructions if the patients in their care are ones dying? How does a doctor not bend over backwards to make sure their patient understands or not realize the mental dependency many dying patients have on their doctors. They need people in their lives that see them as a suffering human being and not a nuisance.
I will say for the record I can't state with certainty the type of care IANs provided. But that the man has been asked 4 times if he cared about his patients and not once has been able to bring himself to say he did is all sorts of red flags IMO. And in my experience unfortunately this is not uncommon. It is the rarity I have seen doctors that seem to take to heart what is happening with their patients. If anything the most emotion they seem to show is if it has to do with a licensing agency for self-serving reasons
I don't think this is necessarily disproportionate with doctors. I think a lot of people simply don't care about others as they should. But doctors take an oath. Having many family members that have died and volunteering for years in nursing homes and even being incarcerated I have seen healthcare in this country at its lowest. My personal opinion is most doctors care little about this patients. The ones that really do are the exceptions. And from what I have seen thus far I know where I would put some
But back to the question as someone who has had 5 people in his life being treated up until they died I know better than most how important that care is and no would not consider doctors that care as pimps. IF they are doctors that care.
.. won't get in the middle of this one ..

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#490192 Feb 18, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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<< rubbing toes >>
.. darlin', it doesn't matter if one Christian or one million Christians opposed Hitler. The fact is, they did ..
.. we know a great deal about the roles of Nazis at the front lines of violence because people enjoy reading about it. How many people are interested in reading about the White Rose Movement ??..
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/white_ro...
.. there is a false assumption that Nazi anti-Semitism arose out of the bigotries of Christianity. Since Christianity is a bulwark against totalitarianism, most emphatically, it did not ..
.. Christian opposition within Nazi Germany was direct and emphatic. Why do you think Jehovah's Witnesses, priests and ministers were marched off to concentration camps, to their deaths ??..
.. you've reading too many slanted books There's always another side to any story. Unfortunately, people like to place blame, enjoy reading about evil. You're better than that ..
<< stroking HFY's silky hair >>
Kudos

In the midst of some of our recent exchanges I guess I forgot some of the reasons I came to respect you so much. And for someone that most people would probably concede has more reason than most to dislike the 'church' it is refreshing to see posts like this.

I think you know me pretty well. I don't deny or defend things that have been done wrong within the church or faith or in the name of either. But some things simply aren't as they are being portrayed.

Think of the sickness and group contagion and hate it would require even within the Nazi party to carry out such atrocities. Now ironically those outside the faith often criticize Christians for having too low of an opinion of themselves or mankind. Yet when convenient people want to act like all these Christians back then knew and were secretly glad millions of people were being butchered. I see no reason to believe hardly any human beings outside of Nazi Germany knew and were supportive of what was going on. Just by the time most people really found out it was too late to do anything

But impressive post. Not because it takes a side I agree with but because it takes a side that would be understandable if you weren't one to want to take it yet you still did out of your sense of right and wrong

I repeat

Kudos

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490193 Feb 18, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Yes, she was a pervert, was being the operative word, but now she's saved by the blood of someone named Iesous Kristos aka Jesus Christ.
Why do you ask this question Mr. Catcher?
CS.
.. speaking of perverts, how have you been ??..

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#490194 Feb 18, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Good post and good answer D, and also correct that most people become angry and defensive against those that disagree with them, Red Apples is a perfect example of that among others.
Peace.
This is a perfect example of your blind hypocrisy!

Don't you see it?
Or is your ego so big it's gotten in the way- and you simply can't see it?

Angry and defensive is also exactly how you behave when disagreed with..
LOL!!

My God- you threatened to find someone in the RW and break their neck! Don't ask me to find the post bcause we both know it was pulled and you were yet again banned for your bad behavior!

Why don't you check yourself - instead of taking everyone else's inventory?

Since: May 09

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#490195 Feb 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
It seems like ole scar scar is the one promoting a false dichotomy fallacy. He says that any sex or relationship is ok as long as they're consenting adults as long as they're not related....
No, I didn't say that "any sex or relationship is ok".

Show where I said that.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
In this case, it is all or nothing. One cannot promote straight and/or gays sex & relationships using the "consenting adults" excuse and then say that incest is wrong.
Sure I can say that, and there are reasons for the laws concerning incest. Especially concerning Parent/Child unions, and Sibling unions, and increased birth defects if a child results from those unions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Inbreedin...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding_depre...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fumarase_deficie...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vadoma

If there is no increased chances of defects, and it can be insured that there is no coercion involved due to familial pressures etc., you might have a basis for your assertion.

But you've not offered anything to support your argument that incest should be legal.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#490196 Feb 18, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
As someone that has posted with CS for a long time...I can tell you...he doesn't want to scroll. IANS, Catcher, Tide, HL weren't here when Andrew started his rant about homosexuals. They came here because of his hatred against them.
I do not despise the gay, what I do despise is their public displays of despicable perversion and debauchery. The gay sex, marriage and adoption is wrong, this is all I am saying. I would like to think as human beings they are more than just homosexuals, but that there are good and proper things about them than just the gay sin. Despite what you think Annie, I do not believe they should be stoned or hated as long as they respect straights and respect society.
AnnieJ wrote:
He made his home at Topix at one time on the Gay/Lesbian forum...ranting...raving...aga inst them. When he was outnumbered then he started pleading for their understanding, patience and tolerance. When they gave it (some of them because of me) he then turned around and slapped them in the face with his words. Yet if they responded back to him...he was appalled...offended...couldn't believe that they would stand up for themselves. If you read carefully...he has done the same thing here.
Not quite so Annie, but at least you cannot say I was being a hypocrite. I did try to understand them and why they do what they do. I tried to focus on their humanity more rather than just of their gayness. I failed eventually, because some of them were either behaving too effeminate or made sick gay jokes between them. I was not shown proper respect and the time when In tried giving it. Understand this. Accept this.
AnnieJ wrote:
CS has an agenda...spreading his hatred for the gay community...I have seen it before.
I was asked the question about the gay. I answered clearly without pause. My answers weren't received well by some in here who claimed to be Christian or a few secular ones too. My answers ignited a fire storm and the gay and their supporters invaded this thread. My feelings against teh homosexual practice or lifestyle is not unique on this thread so please, try not singling me out.
AnnieJ wrote:
No...Andrew won't scroll...he would miss an opportunity to tell the gays and anyone that supports them what scum of the earth that he thinks they are.
I do not think they are the dregs of the earth, but I do believe their behavior contributes and adds to the decay of human society and sanity.
I hope now you understand what I just said.

Andrew (Counter_Strike).
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#490197 Feb 18, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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I am very happy your wife has been set free Mr. Clearwater, and I'm happy you're by her side not to remind her of her past, but to reassure her of the wonderful present and an even greater future with you and by The Savior.
Shalom.
Andrew (CS).
Indeed. We don't think much about our past and while I thought early on we would be used in some sort of ministry dealing with this that hasn't been the case. Perhaps its just me but until something like the intolerance of a private co. last year I don't often think on it.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490198 Feb 18, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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The Spirit points out truth and love as signs and paths to a better existence(one which was, but was lost). Abrahamic leaders use laws which threaten and punish. That is the path of fear, and does NOT come from the Spirit, but from men who wish to imprison and divide the spirit, and keep it from becoming one in the ALL.
.. neat !!..

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#490199 Feb 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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IANS just hates Christians. It's usually best if you don't pay much attention to his rantings, just laugh at them.
Agreed.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#490200 Feb 18, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
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I agree Knowledge.....I am a Christian and DO NOT hate homosexuals
Jesus Loves Everyone
Agreed, but this Jesus person probably hates sin. Does he not Ms. Eppy?

Andrew (CS).

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#490201 Feb 18, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Go? I'm not going anywhere. I have a good life where I am. When I help others face to face, they will be from right here in my local community.
And I think I'd have to go to Iran to protest the hanging of Iranian gays.If I did that, I'd almost certainly be hung myself. I hope that's not what you meant by "good."
Here's a fine grammatical distinction for you: Clothes are hung, but when a person has been put to death by hanging, he was not hung, he was hanged.

I though I should mention that, as the newly ordained Pastor of the Thread.
Chris Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#490202 Feb 18, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Hey there Chris, how're coming alone?
Very good. I'm been taking some pain pills but while they help with it gives me nausea. Think I will deal with the pain from here on out. Also God is blessing me so much. Glory to Him.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#490203 Feb 18, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'm doing it for the kids.
Are you familiar with Zach Galifianakis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =kPm5eOJSm54XX
Yes, thanks. I'm already a fan, beginning with the Comedians of Comedy tours, and the Between Two Ferns interviews. And of course The Hangover(s). He's a weirdo in Sam Kinison and Bobcat Goldthwait school of weirdos.

Since: Mar 10

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#490204 Feb 18, 2013

Happy Lesbo wrote:- to: QU-
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.. what does this have to do with your arrogance ??..
<quoted text>
.. consulting your crystal ball? Again ??..
.. neither I nor Le_Le are the current subject matter, your arrogance and name calling is ..
<quoted text>
.. Lucifer is Le_Le's God? Did you consult your tarot cards ??..
<quoted text>
.. did Le_Le call you demonic, a liar? Did she condemn you ??..
.. challenge my azz. You think you have the perfect right to condemn others for their beliefs. That's arrogance ..
.. you're still in spiritual diapers ..
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>In ways that will not be understood, I understand you. JESUS was soft and loving, and was loved deeply by many. If one gathers around a Reiki Master, they will feel an energy that is beyond normality. People gathered around JESUS for miles, and the population was not what it is today.
If we could just draw on that love, we would feed the starving people in Africa and understand that they are a victim of circumstance, and that GOD will be suffering seeing them suffering so. When there is a vulture stalking a baby, your heart should feel a breaking point of hurt. If your heart is missing this emotion, seek it, it gives you a new perspective in life.
GOD has blesses us all, we are all HIS children, and HE loves us so.
I understand, why you would "understand" HL, Serah..
:)

This post of your's could move a mountain..yes?

Thank you- and--Bravo!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#490205 Feb 18, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
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You may take that any way you like Teddy Bear... I am not most people. I find that if a poster calls themselves a Christian, they are immediately attacked and thrown into one category.
As 'all' Christians are not the same, neither are atheist, agnostics, even 'teddy bears'...So my lack of response, or failure to answer, as you put it, is just too ambiguous of a question.
I also don't feel the need to correct you, judgement on your words are not up to me. You are the one who has to look in the mirror...
I will say this though, your directness is refreshing. I would rather have a civil debate with you then someone who straddles the fence...
Whether you are a Christian or not, has no bearing on my feelings for you, but just know that I would be there you if you ever needed someone.:) I speak from the heart*
This is how I 'try' and live my life...
J*O*Y* J= Jesus first O= others second Y= yourself last...
Good answer! Thanks. And good attitude.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#490206 Feb 18, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Priests were jailed and killed who tried to speak out
It was a time of fear for many people
Hate and fear can cause a ripple effect that lead to a tidal wave and anybody standing in its path gets swept away with little or no evidence they were ever there. But that doesn't mean they weren't. Just what could most people do against that type of power? It took a combination of countries during a world war to stop it
What situation even exists where someone can put blame either on all the church as if it is an entity of itself or all Christians?
I agree with you on the latter which you focused on and would suggest the irony that needs to be considered. Hitler was a bigot of the highest order using whatever he could to advance his personal agenda and stooping to unbelievable lows. When someone's target is Christianity and they are using Hitler in this fashion to advance their own agenda by blaming all in the faith it would seem they haven't learned the lesson history is trying to teach us.
The Holocaust was a travesty but it would a deranged and evil man who through fear and intimidation and appealing to other's hate built himself a powerbase and kept many of its activities hidden from worldview until it was too late. People blew off even the rumblings as propaganda. He invoked whatever justification he needed including religion. Anyone trying to paint Christianity by Hitler might as well paint all Muslims from 9-11. They wont of course as their hate is centered on Christians. They are not too different than those they oppose when it comes to the sweeping disdain. Don't get me wrong, I am not suggesting everyone that hates Christians would stoop to killing them. I am just saying the underlying motivations are bigotry.
The difference being there are photo's and documents as evidence of the cooperation and genocide.Let us not forget Croatia either.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#490207 Feb 18, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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No
And i never suggested a doctor needs to provide spiritual guidance. I suggested perhaps a doctor who doesn't believe in God would find a hard time connecting with patients that mathematically probably were mostly Christian and probably talking about, in part at least, spiritual matters as their time neared
Any $10 an hour hospice worker can put an IV in or administer drugs. I personally feel a doctor has a moral obligation to care about the mental and physical well being of his patients. Part of the Hippocratic Oath states
.. any trained hospice volunteer, nurse or social worker will tell you the program addresses the physical, emotional and spiritual needs of the patient ..

.. a physician addresses the physical ..

.. a social worker addresses the emotional ..

.. a cleric addresses the spiritual ..

.. while the roles may intertwine somewhat, rarely does a physician become involved with the emotional or spiritual needs of a dying patient. That's not their role, they're not trained in that area ..

.. hospice works because skilled professionals tend to all the patient's needs ..

.. would you want a cleric addressing your physical needs? Would you want an untrained physician addressing your emotional needs ??..

.. every professional in hospice has a role, and, when your combine their skills, the patient usually reaches a state of acceptance regarding their death ..

.. I, for one, wouldn't want it any other way. Keep the physician out of my emotional and spiritual needs, he/she is not qualified ..

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#490208 Feb 18, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. interesting topic, well worth pursing ..
.. are some people hardwired for compassion, empathy? Or, is it a learned behavior ??..
.. infants are totally self-centered, engrossed in their own little world. With nurturing, they slowly become aware of the outside world ..
.. Plato compared man to a chariot: the intellect is the driver and the emotions are the horses. Kant saw compassion as a weak and misguided sentiment. Darwin viewed compassion as rational, functional and adaptive. Research suggests compassion is an evolved part of human nature, rooted in our brain and biology, ready to be cultivated for the greater good ..
.. so, what is it? Nurture or nature ??..
In my view, environment, upbringing, experience, family, all of these factors can affect the way our life symphony is performed. Faster, slower, louder, softer, mechanically, emotionally.

But the notes, the symphony itself, cannot be altered. It has been composed and we are born with it. It is hard-wired if you will.

As examples, Dick Cheney would lack compassion no matter what happened in his life, and Annie would be a caring person no matter what happened in her life.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#490209 Feb 18, 2013
Le_le wrote:
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This is a perfect example of your blind hypocrisy!
Don't you see it?
Or is your ego so big it's gotten in the way- and you simply can't see it?
Angry and defensive is also exactly how you behave when disagreed with..
LOL!!
My God- you threatened to find someone in the RW and break their neck! Don't ask me to find the post bcause we both know it was pulled and you were yet again banned for your bad behavior!
Why don't you check yourself - instead of taking everyone else's inventory?
And why don't you do likewise lele, you are still a hypocrite who do not stand on the Word of God, and D has you and Apples pegged correctly.

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