Why Should Jesus Love Me?

Since: May 09

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#489857 Feb 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I have no idea what you are referring to, Dimwit. Show us. You must have mangled my words again.
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“Squirrel Shelter”

Since: Dec 06

Smalltown, USA

#489858 Feb 17, 2013
Peace_Warrior wrote:
John 11:35
New International Version (NIV)
35 'Jesus wept.'
36 Then the Jews said,“See how he loved him!”
[ speaking of Lazarus ]
37 But some of them said,“Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man have kept this man from dying?”
Jesus Raises Lazarus From the Dead
38 Jesus, once more deeply moved, came to the tomb. It was a cave with a stone laid across the entrance. 39 “Take away the stone,” he said.
“But, Lord,” said Martha, the sister of the dead man,“by this time there is a bad odor, for he has been there four days.”
40 Then Jesus said,“Did I not tell you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?”
41 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said,“Father, I thank you that you have heard me.
42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
43 When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice,“Lazarus, come out!”
44 The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.
Jesus said to them,“Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”
********
The next thing to resurrect is Jesus's real Love between 'neighbors' in here... it makes me weep to read...
Hi Irrira,.

It's changed in here, but I was happy to see you posting. Not online much, going through some tough times. Have a friend who lets me use her internet service so I don't get on much. Don't want to abuse the favor she has granted me.

Hope to see you posting again, friend, when my son finishes his college course perhaps things will begin looking up. Job placement is 99 per cent at the college he attends. Your posts are something I look forward to.

Wishing the best of everything for you and Ishi.

JW

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#489859 Feb 17, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
You may take that any way you like Teddy Bear... I am not most people. I find that if a poster calls themselves a Christian, they are immediately attacked and thrown into one category.
As 'all' Christians are not the same, neither are atheist, agnostics, even 'teddy bears'...So my lack of response, or failure to answer, as you put it, is just too ambiguous of a question.
I also don't feel the need to correct you, judgement on your words are not up to me. You are the one who has to look in the mirror...
I will say this though, your directness is refreshing. I would rather have a civil debate with you then someone who straddles the fence...
Whether you are a Christian or not, has no bearing on my feelings for you, but just know that I would be there you if you ever needed someone.:) I speak from the heart*
This is how I 'try' and live my life...
J*O*Y* J= Jesus first O= others second Y= yourself last...
I LOVE that kind of JOY and your non-judgemental attitude. I look forward to reading more from you. A lot of judges sit in this room.
Have a goodnight.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#489860 Feb 17, 2013
FORMER HOMOSEXUAL Testimony



"Former Homosexual A.H. shares his testimony with you about how he became free from his homosexual lifestyle and became a Christian."

__________

For those who WANT to leave the LGBTQ community... homosexual lifestyle.
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#489861 Feb 17, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
They're both better enjoyed with a close personal friend.
<quoted text>
You can be like Peter Pan and never grow up.
Do you want to go to Never Never Land?
<quoted text>
You do.
<quoted text>
I saw.
I'll try to do better in the future.
You should probably ignore Dr. Shrink if he talks to you.
DR SHRINK LOVES CLEMENTIA GIRL
but most time dr SHRINK PEE on your posts without of sense or any
compasion

CALLING OTHERS CRIMINALS,MAKE YOU CRIMINAL ALSO

Since: Mar 10

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#489862 Feb 17, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Where's the list at LeLe? Show Pastor Q where he set himself up as "Paa-tha". Let's just go ahead and get it over with.
eLeL backwards = LL = Liar Liar
I see I have to tread lightly here w you.

LL could stand for many things--how about Lyndsey Lohan??
-Or LifeLover??

I said that you wanted to be
their Pastor, "so to speak"...I said- "so to speak"..

Did you consider yourself an elder (at least) when penning the slate?

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#489863 Feb 17, 2013
By the way, I understand why Liar Liar and Grace would say such, but to the genuine Christians I appeal to you... whether here or on Facebook... If you posted and passed on that I set myself up as a Pastor then please take a look at that list again and tell me where you see me at.

If you see me where I'm at and passed on that I was the Pastor or something then please get with our heavenly Father on that for repentance. Thanks.
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#489864 Feb 17, 2013
Snevaeh legna wrote:
<quoted text>
You may take that any way you like Teddy Bear... I am not most people. I find that if a poster calls themselves a Christian, they are immediately attacked and thrown into one category.
As 'all' Christians are not the same, neither are atheist, agnostics, even 'teddy bears'...So my lack of response, or failure to answer, as you put it, is just too ambiguous of a question.
I also don't feel the need to correct you, judgement on your words are not up to me. You are the one who has to look in the mirror...
I will say this though, your directness is refreshing. I would rather have a civil debate with you then someone who straddles the fence...
Whether you are a Christian or not, has no bearing on my feelings for you, but just know that I would be there you if you ever needed someone.:) I speak from the heart*
This is how I 'try' and live my life...
J*O*Y* J= Jesus first O= others second Y= yourself last...
YOU have to be sweet and nice true believer person behind your posts
there is not so many such posts like your
I LOVE YOU AS TRUE BELIEVER YOUR SPOKEN OUT HUMBLE HEART
GOD BLESS YOU
Good night

“Squirrel Shelter”

Since: Dec 06

Smalltown, USA

#489865 Feb 17, 2013
LeLe,

How nice to see you. I posted to you awhile back and it must have got buried, this thread moves so fast.

I was wondering if you remembered where that thread about the supernatural events is, I've tried to find it but to no avail.

I miss Ham's posts, also Micah's. They both wrote so well, Ham's faith and Micah's talks of going fishing with God. Good old days, huh?

JW {S}

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#489866 Feb 17, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Right proof is a higher standard
I remember last time this came up you suggested maybe he forgot he said it and I asked you how does someone forgot they believe its possible creator gods exist?
I know the deal Hididng, IANS lies and his friends all come running to say maybe he forgot or evidence isn't proof even though he never bothered to say that is why he was denying it or jab is different than slam
He has repeated a pattern of denying what he has said
He denied he said anything to indicate all or most Christians are indoctrinated and then went on to say Christians think the way their churches tell them to
He said I got him all wrong when I said he wanted to limit the church's influence on society and politics and claimed he instead was trying to reduce them to all volunteers which he said later he already believes they are and then admitted of course his goal is to limit its influence on society and politics
He denies he was implying Christians lack empathy for those they hurt and then went on to show thats exactly what he meant
The list goes on and on
IANS deals in dishonesty
I disagree. I have found IANS to ever be honest. And meticulous. That's his defining characteristic, the main reason few people can argue with him. It's why he can pull out your posts to show you what you said, his reply, and then point out the mistakes in your reasoning.

You and I aren't so meticulous, so as we write, we refine our ideas and explanations - kind of working them out for ourselves while explaining them to others. Writing like this is generative; it creates new ideas. Hence, your understanding of "evidence" and "proof" has changed through this discussion. B/c IANS began with a clear idea of how both words are defined, and linked to your earlier posts, he was able to show how you altered your interpretation of his writing and understanding of those words as you've gone along.

If what I wrote above is correct - that you refined your ideas rather than dissembled - then IANS' successful demonstration of your changing interpretation of his initial claims more accurately represents development of your thought than dishonesty on your part. If true, then IANS is mistaken in calling you dishonest, despite that altering one's definitions in the midst of an argument resembles dissembling.(I left those last two words that way 'cause they make a mess of the tongue!)

Hmmm. I'd have to agree that Christians have little to no empathy for those they hurt. I don't think lacking empathy is limited to Christians though, but all peoples dealing with other peoples.

The biggest problem in Christianity (or most religions) is the "I'm absolutely right and you're utterly wrong and therefore immature" stance. Christians believe, violently, that it is their duty to destroy other people's cultures and religions and make everyone Christian.

Tell me where the empathy lies in forcing people to your religion?

Now don't get me wrong - all peoples have done this in their history, so I'm not saying "only Christians are X."

History in brief: the European expansion and the world's greatest ethnocides and genocides in large part b/c of Christianity's need to make everyone good Christians.

Let's acknowledge a lot of greed on the part of rulers, too, and move on to contemporary times. In Japan, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are trying to make inroads here. They don't think our culture is good enough and that we should become Christian. That's pretty umempathetic.

Or take any of the Christians on here who cannot admit that other believers in other religions subjectively experience their deities as real as equal to any Christian "knows" God is in their life.

Sorry, but religion does not spawn empathy for other peoples. It does for other believers of the same religion, but not for outsiders - b/c you believers "know" everyone else is wrong. You have the blinders on to other people. That's not empathy; it's ignorance.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#489867 Feb 17, 2013
Le_le wrote:
<quoted text>
I see I have to tread lightly here w you.
LL could stand for many things--how about Lyndsey Lohan??
-Or LifeLover??
I said that you wanted to be
their Pastor, "so to speak"...I said- "so to speak"..
Did you consider yourself an elder (at least) when penning the slate?
LIAR LIAR

“A Universal Cause”

Since: Feb 09

The Cosmos

#489868 Feb 17, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi PW..
Thank you for this.. The LOVE of Jesus towards people is so much stronger than people realize.
Amen GW, it only takes a little more Love in our Lives to practice it, rather than look for the mote in our brothers/sisters eye, Ja?

I have always loved singing for others rather than talking - as am inclined to sometimes use the wrong word unintentionally - or been misunderstood. Plus if 'speaking' can stutter a lot! I have to be aware of His Love over even my own 'feelings' towards the human race.

So... sometime the Bible stories say enough to how I feel about whatever is taking place! This book has always been a PW's Comfort due to the things we have to deal with, so it becomes a very personal understanding of as an individual.

God Bless you Grace.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#489869 Feb 17, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>hmm--
for a freethinker, you thoughts on deity or spiritual experience is curios.
Deities are not [for the most part] objectivey real, because a deity is a spirit.
when you think about a spirit, even if you no believe in them things. the purest form of a spirit no look like human. a spirit no have human components like arms and nose and legs and feet all that.
No get me wrong now, spirits can take on [form] of humans. the most famous spirit that take on human form is Jesus Christ. But angels are also spirits. Satan, Jesus enemy, is a spirit. Demons, are spirits.
But in essence and form, a spirit is a Force. A spirit is like the wind, a spirit is like a attitude or a mentality. Almighty God YHWH is a Spirit.
a spirit can come in the shape of rage. two people have an argument and the argument rage to the point of one person killing another person. and then the person that kill say they never mean to do it and is like they lose control or it seem surreal to them or they no remember.
if you remember in the bible when Jesus rebuke the spirit, it go out the man and into a herd of swine and the swine run over the cliff.
That why bible say [test the spirits]. because a spiritual experience is subjective. So as I say many times on here, I believe the hindu or the muslim or people from other religions that say they experience god. What they mean, is that they experience a spirit.
There are an inumerable amount of spirits. a lot more than humans.
So the spirit of YHWH through Jesus Christ, there are spiritual experiences two jesus followers will have, like maybe both declare that only through Jesus one can get to father YHWH. there has to be spiritual agreement for two jesus followers to agree that is true.
But another spirit can influence two muslims to declare Allah not have no son. and another spirit can influence a sunni and a shite muslim that they enemies.
Spirits are to be tested.
I no want to go no further, because you is a freethinker and all this might seem baloney to you.
But to answer you main questions, the spiritual experience I have as a Jesus Follower, and the experience say a buddhist or a hindu or muslim would have, would not be the same. because the spiritual source is different.
Wow. Ok. Yeah.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#489870 Feb 17, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Not that you are asking sincere questions here but I'll use it as a springboard so others can know what I believe regarding this.
God... I believe their still children up to the age of 20.
Do they get the pass because they don't know any better? Do people stop not knowing any better exactly when they turn 20?

Why do children get the pass? Whatever that reason is, why wouldn't that reason apply to a person of any age?
Qu_innocence wrote:
Under 20... Yes.
That's just weird.
Qu_innocence wrote:
I believe some people who have been sexually-molested by a adult family member/or some family member or raped by some other have become homosexuals. I hear that a lot via testimonials and people that I've talked to. Some become gay due to peer-pressure (a fad), some due to curiosity and will explore ("questioning"). <---That's due to worldly influence... some become gay due to lack of parental leadership in the home. Others have natural sexual arousal feeling towards men. Aha! See Quin! I told ja.. I tol jah!!! Well, it is an expression of the sin nature. Two identical twins may look alike but have different temperaments... one may have an anger issue... the other may be more easy-going but have a different kind of sin expression. Unfortunately, I believe some are born with being attracted to guys and it has nothing to do with a gay gene... it is simply the sin nature manifesting itself in one way or another...
Are people straight because they were raped or molested by someone of the same gender? Are people straight due to peer pressure? Are people straight due to a lack of parental leadership in the home? If they can turn out gay for these reasons, couldn't they also turn out straight for the same reasons?

What is immoral about homosexuality? Can you come up with some kind of justification for that belief?

When was the last time you suffered a witch to live? You know you're supposed to kill witches, right?

Christians stopped believing that it was acceptable to kill people as witches (in America, but not in Africa), and they're going to stop believing that homosexuality is immoral. It's one of the two or three major shifts that is currently occurring in Christianity.

Examples of these drastic shifts ARE the history of Christianity. It's been changing since day one.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#489871 Feb 17, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
IANS you told Juicy she got you all wrong just like i always do when she said you believe all or most Christians are indoctrinated. Yet here you are posting this:
IANS said
"It seems that way to you because you have been trained to think that way, a characteristically Christian way of thinking. You see the world principally as a decadent and dangerous place that is getting worse, even as it gets better. And you project your own Christian psychology of sitting by helplessly waiting to be rescued. It's so negative, passive and disabling.
I blame your church for teaching you to think this way."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
That's the definition of indoctrination
Why did you lie IANS and deny you feel most Christians are indoctrinated?
The correct word is "encultured" not "indoctrinated."

Christians are encultured to the precepts of their religion; it pervades their thoughts - all of them. Christians truly live in a Christian reality. Events that happen in your life are connected to God's plan; you see God's Creation all around you.

That's enculturation and not indoctrination.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#489872 Feb 17, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
By the way, I understand why Liar Liar and Grace would say such, but to the genuine Christians I appeal to you... whether here or on Facebook... If you posted and passed on that I set myself up as a Pastor then please take a look at that list again and tell me where you see me at.
If you see me where I'm at and passed on that I was the Pastor or something then please get with our heavenly Father on that for repentance. Thanks.
SO, You admit there is a List. thats a start. Did you get with the Heavenly Father for repentance when you lied about who I was and NEVER apologized like you promised you would?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#489873 Feb 17, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
According to your Bible, God sent the Evil among us.
That wasn't super all loving.
Just like throwing a rattlesnake in a crib.
Certainly not good parenting.
Bible God is Evil.
Ok. I accept this as truth.
That you can't accept the truth is your problem, not mine.
No, but I just accepted it as truth!
Most of you are so afraid of your deity you can't even admit the truth about it.
Well, shouldn't we be afraid of an all powerful, all knowing, rattlesnake-tossing-into-cribs deity?!? If that's not a thing to be afraid of, I don't know what is!
Very sad.
Totally.

:)

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#489874 Feb 17, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Skom, I do love you very much but I am compelled to answer this question.
My pagan/Catholic mother blanked my real Brasilian father out of my life with lies, so that I could be raised with my Catholic step father, who physically, mentally, sexually, emotionally and (my mother) spiritually abused me from the ages of 4-12, she accused me of being possessed by demons and yet never took me to their Priest for an exorcism. Have you been aware of world events for the past 2000 years or so?
Things are not always as they seem my friend <3
Luke 11:19-20
"And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
Jesus
Bonsoir Luciana,

Meu amor, não tínhamos idéia o que você passou por nós...* derrama lágrimas * estamos com o coração partidos, sobre o que você e outros passaram nas mãos daqueles que se chamam cristãos. Uma pessoa real pode ser vista através de suas palavras e ações, se eles têm compaixão ele irá amnifest-se, se não não, mas devemos amar e cuidar de todos igualmente não porque nos é dito para mas porque nós deve que queremos para nós mesmos. Sora e eu te amo Luciana e seu testemunho é a chave para o fato de que você deve influenciar o mundo em que vivemos, você deve ver!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#489875 Feb 17, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody has claimed we don't argue but the difference is the people in this room didn't come here with the intention of arguing nor is anyone IMO normally seeking out a fight. When differences in opinion over doctrine or interpretation arise it can create tension and lead to disagreements and fights.
Do you deny you guys came here in a group effort to stir things up?
But you have a point, it does start with us. We can simply choose to ignore anything that looks like it is designed solely to provoke an argument. I personally don't care who believes what as far as who is welcome if they are here to be civil. But to me there is a difference between civil and passive-aggressive. I see nothing civil about the goal being to create problems no matter how subtly someone goes about it. Sincere inquiries and debates are a different matter
Sorry.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#489876 Feb 17, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe I was the first visitor, and mentioned the thread over at the PTAG and Atheism forums. Others then came over, some shortly after I did, others later.
I do deny that there was any group effort to stir things up, or for any other purpose.
There was no "conspiracy."
As for the "civility" factor, I do see some bad stuff going on here between certain Christians. Hardly sincere inquiries and debates; more like nasty jabs and personal insults. I mentioned this only because we "outsiders" have been blamed.
You would be mistaken. I came here about a year ago, realized that these people were enjoying their happy times and apologized and left. I tried to drag IANS over at that time, but he didn't come for reasons of his own.

So, like the Norse, I made the first foray and then vanished! Although there may have been others before me...and this in no way decreases your accomplishments, sir!

:)

(I only wrote this for fun)

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