Knowledge

Enfield, IL

#489365 Feb 16, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
Note that the Book of Enoch was rejected as scripture by Judaism long before Christianity made their Bible.
I read that for the first 300 years it was out there and studied. Some even thought that Jesus had read it and studied it. But, there was no real proof of that. After the 300 years somebody got their feathers ruffled and wanted it burned. They thought they got all of the copies but they didn't it found it's way back. When I read that all I could think of was what a shame... I gotta get off, my back is killing me, but I Feel Alive!!!!!!!!!!LOL Church in the morning so yall have a good night!:)

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#489366 Feb 16, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
The fallen angels, shepherds and the apostates would be judged and put in Tartarus together.
I took it as false prophets, false priests, false teachers and the apostates are the ones who were the departure from ones religion. Another meaning meant turned their back on, speak against. To me, that means to speak against God/blasphmey, not the religion.
Most people don't want to hear about the fallen angels, let alone hell. It speaks quite clearly on it. Now I know why the Catholics during an excorsism asks the victim what the demons name is. They want to know what they are doing. Makes perfect sense. To the ones who does not believe, or would call a fairy tale, they would have no idea what the information contained by knowing the names. That is why only the Bishops would get permission to do it. With the knowledge of that, people can be helped faster. But, most people don't believe as the Catholics and some Protestants in that area.
Interesting the Orthodox Church uses it in their Bible, I really have not studied their beliefs that much, just stuck with my own.
Interesting thoughts.

Thanks.

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#489367 Feb 16, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
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Well, I don't drink but if I get sick a bit of peppermint schnapps and peppermint tea comes in real nice with a bad sore throat, helps you sleep a bit better too! LOL Hot toddys;) Medicinal purposes only! ;)
LOL I might blame it on that stuff too! Hahahah!

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#489368 Feb 16, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
I read that for the first 300 years it was out there and studied. Some even thought that Jesus had read it and studied it. But, there was no real proof of that. After the 300 years somebody got their feathers ruffled and wanted it burned. They thought they got all of the copies but they didn't it found it's way back. When I read that all I could think of was what a shame... I gotta get off, my back is killing me, but I Feel Alive!!!!!!!!!!LOL Church in the morning so yall have a good night!:)
NITE!

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#489369 Feb 16, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
I read that for the first 300 years it was out there and studied. Some even thought that Jesus had read it and studied it. But, there was no real proof of that. After the 300 years somebody got their feathers ruffled and wanted it burned. They thought they got all of the copies but they didn't it found it's way back. When I read that all I could think of was what a shame... I gotta get off, my back is killing me, but I Feel Alive!!!!!!!!!!LOL Church in the morning so yall have a good night!:)
Correct. Starting around 325 AD the Roman Emperors and Church attempted to burn all books they didn;t like and kill everyone who didn;t follow their version of Christinity. Their religion (Modern Christianity) and books (The Bible) have been (almost) the sole form of Christianity for the last 1700 years.

That is not opinion, that is historical fact.

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#489370 Feb 16, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
The fallen angels, shepherds and the apostates would be judged and put in Tartarus together.
I took it as false prophets, false priests, false teachers and the apostates are the ones who were the departure from ones religion. Another meaning meant turned their back on, speak against. To me, that means to speak against God/blasphmey, not the religion.
Most people don't want to hear about the fallen angels, let alone hell. It speaks quite clearly on it. Now I know why the Catholics during an excorsism asks the victim what the demons name is. They want to know what they are doing. Makes perfect sense. To the ones who does not believe, or would call a fairy tale, they would have no idea what the information contained by knowing the names. That is why only the Bishops would get permission to do it. With the knowledge of that, people can be helped faster. But, most people don't believe as the Catholics and some Protestants in that area.
Interesting the Orthodox Church uses it in their Bible, I really have not studied their beliefs that much, just stuck with my own.
Bonsoir mon amie, in regards to exorcisms the Catholic Church has clear guidelines on such things they do a thorough investigation into the matter before taking further action. Sora and I witnessed quite a few in our time, as you know we are Catholic. We are keen to study the beliefs of all people even in so-called animistic faiths they believe in exorcism the danger in this however is what if the person has a mental illness? Or I have heard (and seen people die) stories where people have been killed during excorcisms which is why I believe it must be done by a professional and one whom has been formally ordained like our Parish Priest.

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#489371 Feb 16, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct. Starting around 325 AD the Roman Emperors and Church attempted to burn all books they didn;t like and kill everyone who didn;t follow their version of Christinity. Their religion (Modern Christianity) and books (The Bible) have been (almost) the sole form of Christianity for the last 1700 years.
That is not opinion, that is historical fact.
Bonsoir mon ami in this you are correct. Sora and I have witnessed horrific atrocities commited in the name of the Christian faith. In regards to the bible there are many versions and we follow the 66 books as well as the Apocryphas we aalso are familiar with Gnoticism and the destruction of the Cathar community is horrific in its scope. I had ancestors whom were among the murdered and also those who did the killing.

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#489372 Feb 16, 2013
*Gnosticism*

*Also*

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#489373 Feb 16, 2013
Seraphine wrote:
<quoted text>
Bonsoir mon ami in this you are correct. Sora and I have witnessed horrific atrocities commited in the name of the Christian faith. In regards to the bible there are many versions and we follow the 66 books as well as the Apocryphas we aalso are familiar with Gnoticism and the destruction of the Cathar community is horrific in its scope. I had ancestors whom were among the murdered and also those who did the killing.
Hi Seraphine.

Many have been murdered simply for their thoughts. It is shamelful.

I always think of the verse "Jesus wept".

The shortest sentence in the English Bible and the longest one in the world.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#489374 Feb 16, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
why don't you tell me what I got wrong?
Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"
IANS responded
"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Still? You still don't know? Here is the last time I answered that for you:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

And Tide has answered it for you at least twice.

This what makes you Dim. You're unteachable. There is no way to get an idea from my head into yours. The usual method - coding the thought as words, typing them, posting them, and you reading them, accomplishes zero. You still don't know.

And of course, that is what caused me to post "Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more." It's maddening dealing with you.

This never would have turned into the issue that it has if you were merely functionally illiterate - and you are. You perform like somebody who cannot read, or who can barely read. You don't seem to be able to look at a word and not garble it in the uptake, as you did when you converted "evidence" to "proof".

Nor can you plead ignorance. You were asked repeatedly to stop paraphrasing me - use my exact words or drop your claim. You refused.

Still, that was not your biggest crime. You amped it up by going on the offensive. You're not only too proud to beg me to forgive you, you're too proud to consider that you might have made a mistake or be at fault.

And your reaction has been to intensify your maligning.

My response? Game on. I haven't been in a flame war like this since perhaps with Buck Crick in 2011. I suppose it's good to hone ones chops now and then, although you have made this child's play.

BTW, somebody - Grace, I believe - posted that people like me are sent here by your god as a test. Obviously, I don't. But just as obviously, you should. And you are obviously failing it miserably. You'd apparently rather risk the opprobrium of your peers and the wrath of your god than beg forgiveness.

What is anybody who is reading along to think about how your Christianity affects you? You're supposed to be filled with a powerful Holy Spirit to guide you. You were promised it. That's obviously a sham promise. There's no power in you. There's no Spirit. There has been no transformation. There's just you wagging your finger at people like me and your self-forgiveness for the messes you make and walk away from.

That's what Christianity has done for Skombolis. And that's one of Christianity's main appeals - evading guilt. You have a lot to feel guilt and shame about. Do you really deserve to be comfortable with it?

Is it good that your beliefs allow you to be comfortable with whatever you do? I think that they simply enable you to go on offending, but without any punishment from your conscience, which is now likely nearly silenced by your dogma. You're not perfect, just forgiven, remember?

You can do anything to anybody, because your god will forgive you, right? He already has. Because you are he. He is a fabrication of your own imagination, and he tells you that you are forgiven.

I tell you that you are not.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#489375 Feb 16, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
He never said he would require proof. He said he would require evidence.

There is a difference between proof and evidence.

If you are out in the woods, and find two walnuts on the ground, that is evidence of something. It might be evidence that there is a walnut tree nearby. It's not proof of that. It could be evidence that the walnuts were dropped there by an animal. I would believe, based on reasonably sufficient evidence, that if I found a thousand walnuts under a tree, that that tree is a walnut tree. It still might not be a walnut tree, however. That sufficient evidence would not be proof.

Do you need IANS to tell you? He cleared this up in a post already.
Skombolis wrote:
No he didn't. He has yet to answer what I got wrong. You say he explained it already? Then tell me what he said I got wrong
Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"
IANS responded
"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Again? He just did, sheet-fer-brains. Look at Tide's first two sentences. They are the strings of characters that come after his name above, the phrase that begins with a capital "T." Look at the top of this post for a character that looks like this "T". it will be followed by a "i", a "d" and an "e". Take your time.

Now go get an adult to tell you what the words mean.

How dare you insist for three months that I am a liar when you can't read or understand words? And this is being generous - giving you the benefit of the doubt that you still don't understand. I can't really believe that.
unicornhorn

Voorhees, NJ

#489376 Feb 16, 2013
can i ask you a question.. if the bible says that what goes around comes around..

then you realize that merely existing near someone is a form of giving..

so is yelling..

you get every single thing back..

or you become everything that is thrown at you..

so but until you realize this you don't have any real free will..

and even when you do you don't.. because even on a macroscopic scale there was a set frame of words destined for you to say

and actions for you to take.. and me..

you wanna say to yourself that the virtual world cannot be affected by gods laws..

but it is not separate from the real world.. it's just a tool used to interact with other minds.. and play pretend..

so you are still interacting in the real world.. with a virtual world and gods laws still apply..

giving a physica... platform to perform scientific tests to prove gods word as true..

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#489377 Feb 16, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
i didn't think you would:)
After all you don't understand how jab and slam mean the same thing when used as an insult
Are you giving lessons on reading comprehension now?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#489378 Feb 16, 2013
Seems may do not know, or misinterpret each other's use of the words "proof" and "evidence".

In common usage the terms are interchangeable. Even in scientific and academic useage the words are often ambiguous.

In general, evidence is used to support a proof. Thus a proof is that amount of evidence (both empirical and deduced), and explanations there of, which one requires to constitute a "proof".

At its core, "proof" simply means "test". A proof simply tests the explanations that are based on the evidence.

In reality, a "proof" is what ever one desires it to be.

Hope that muddied the waters enough that everyone will get out of the water and go get cleaned up. <smile>

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#489379 Feb 16, 2013
unicornhorn wrote:
can i ask you a question.. if the bible says that what goes around comes around.....
The carousel doctrine, common through out the world.

Chrisitianity simply thinks there is a brass ring to catch.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#489380 Feb 16, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
you think a Christian can commit murder and just ask forgiveness and God is ok with that?
No. Unbelievers don't believe your god exists.

But obviously many of you feel that you can forgive yourselves in that manner. It's up to the individual to decide whether his god forgave him or not.
trifecta1 wrote:
That shows total gross ignorance on your part.
Au contraire. You are ignorant to pretend that it doesn't happen every moment of every day.
trifecta1 wrote:
if a person commit murder and want to be a Jesus follower, they have to clear they conscience and REPENT. No repentance, no forgiveness. And repentance mean going to police and admit crime.
That's your version. Christians are fully empowered by their bibles and its myriad interpretations to do whatever they like and feel good about it. You can't stop the many more than I can.

But we can try to stop a church that offers forgiveness it is not free to offer. We need you to have a conscience, and for you to suffer the ethical dissonance that is guilt when deserved.

It's ironic how many of you say just that about us skeptics - that we avoid the accountability of your god so that we can do whatever we want.

But it's the other way around. When I hurt somebody, I suffer for it. You and Dim can just "leave it at the altar" with Jesus and go on your merry ways if you choose. After all, you're not perfect - just forgiven, right?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#489381 Feb 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
....
It's ironic how many of you say just that about us skeptics - that we avoid the accountability of your god so that we can do whatever we want.
But it's the other way around. When I hurt somebody, I suffer for it.....
It often goes much further than that. Not just forgiveness for doing wrong but justification to do wrong...continuously.

Please note that is a generalization and is not directed any parties in your dialogue. Simply got a few synapses firing.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#489382 Feb 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You didn't repeat what I claimed. You posted your interpretation of what I said, and effed it up as always.
You claimed that I said that I "don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"
I never said that, moron. I denied it then ("Nope") and deny it now. And you have never even bothered to try and show where I said such a thing.
Skombolis wrote:
No you did say it. You have many posts saying you believe it is possible there are creator gods.
Here is one right here
"I have told you repeatedly that I believe that creator gods are possible"
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
Unbelievable.

I have never denied that I said, " I don't rule out the possibility of a creator god." What I denied is that I said, "I don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"

Do you see any difference between those two, sheet-fer-brains? You have got to be the stupidest human being on the planet.
Skombolis wrote:
You are simply a liar IANS. You lie all the time and then demand people search back months of posts to prove it and still deny it or you know you lie and will say you won't confirm or deny what you said until someone finds the post
Why can't you just be honest?
You never learn. And you have no right.
Skombolis wrote:
Just like you lied in the other room and said everything can be or will be explained by science and then when I questioned how you could possibly know that to rule out a spiritual explanation you changed your story to everything that is explainable by science can be explained by science.
How would you know what I said, sheet-fer-brains? How many times do you need to be told to stop paraphrasing in your words what you think I said, and instead, to bring the exact quotation and link to the discussion or STFU?

But you refuse, and then compound it with derogatory personal comments. That is why you are taking this verbal beating. And not a mere jab like the "ask the air for forgiveness" comment. You're being slammed, amigo.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#489383 Feb 17, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
You are lying again
Your religion is worthless. So are you.
Skombolis wrote:
When I first called you on this because you said Christians, inferring everyone which is bigoted, you changed your story to you were simply stating the forgiveness doctrine doesn't require amends.NOW you are CHANGING your STORY AGAIN that you know some wouldn't do it.
You have no idea what I said.
Skombolis wrote:
I told you weeks ago you would be better served by learning to use the word "some" or words "a small minority of"
LOL. Thanks for the sage advice.
Skombolis wrote:
Man, your poor patients
Scum.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#489384 Feb 17, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
LOL
That's your claim?
That you denied it because I said "proof" not evidence"?
Who told you?
Skombolis wrote:
Here is the definition of "evidence"
n
1. ground for belief or disbelief; data on which to base proof or to establish truth or falsehood
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/evidence
If you had the evidence you would have proof. It is the same thing in that context.
What a mess you are. You didn't understand the dictionary definitions, either.

No, evidence and proof are distinctly different, sheet-fer-brains.
Skombolis wrote:
I can see where IANS jr gets his differences between "jab" and "slam"
No you can't. You have no idea what the difference is.
Skombolis wrote:
Here is the first word listed as a synonym for evidence.. PROOF
evidence
&#8194;Main Entry:
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: proof
http://thesaurus.com/browse/evidence
From your own link,moron:

"Notes: evidence (from Latin e-'out'+ videre 'to see') is information that helps form a conclusion; proof is factual information that verifies a conclusion "
Skombolis wrote:
man are you a liar!
And this is how Christianity has served you. You are defiantly stupid, offensive and proud.

You deserve everything that I dish out to you. Every little bit.

Will no fellow Christian step up and help this miscreant? He needs advice from somebody that he trusts.

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