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Since: Mar 09

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#488677 Feb 15, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I think you just implied that you're an idiot. No?
How did you get that from what I wrote? Try again.
LOL

What??

You wrote:

"I disagree, maybe. Given Skom's ego, he probably believes that God has his back, and agrees with his mistakes."

The subject was whether Christians feel we need to make amends for our sins so long as we are forgiven. You said my pride would result in me thinking God agrees with my mistakes. The implication is I would no no incentive to make amends feeling God supported what I did.

So either i don't think it is a sin if i feel God supports it and the it has nothing to do with whether a Christian would feel they need to make amends for their sins since I wouldn't see it as a sin or I see it as a sin but think God supports me on it. And since the topix was is amends needed after receiving forgiveness and someone would only ask for forgiveness if they thought they sinned, it clearly can't be the first option

Sorry IANS jr, but you could save yourself a lot of time by simply standing behind your words instead of trying to find unbelievable and inapplicable technicalities to try to squirm out of them. But i understand why you would take that route since you are trying to come up with a defense for someone doing the same thing.

But since you are saying I don't follow correctly what IANS is saying, please tell me what he is saying "nope" too and what he claims he isn't going to keep correcting me on?

Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"

IANS responded
"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."

Since he did say he believes it is possible creator gods exist but would require proof since he was making the point just because its possible doesn't mean he thinks it is and without proof wouldn't think they exist, please tell me what he was correcting me on?

“let's do this thang!”

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#488678 Feb 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. probably a closet queen ..
the Apostle Paul spent every ounce of his being to promote the glorious gospel of Jesus Christ and we have it in the west primarily because of him. he also wrote much the new testament, mostly while incarcerated for his faith, which millions of good people have held to be sacred for millenia's. caesar nero finally beheaded his illustrious and incredibly fruitfull life by beheading.

you say the above about him and wonder why you're at odds with believers! may God Judge between you and Paul.

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#488679 Feb 15, 2013
correction:

verb not adjective

I know grammar is about the only venue left to challenge

:)

Well gotta start to get ready for work

Have a good day everyone

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#488680 Feb 15, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
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I have tried to keep my mouth shut, but reading some of your posts, I felt like I must say something. I am a Christian,a follower of Christ. I do not hate homosexuals, or lesbians. I have friends that are... I do not agree with the lifesyle, it is wrong in my belief. I also believe that living with a man or woman before marriage is wrong, before the eyes of God. What someone does behind closed doors, I will never know. But, when they announce it and I can not walk away, I have to give my opinion... I do believe what God had put together man and woman, was his plan. Man can say anything they want about animals even go after the same sex. People say it is natural, but I have talked to child molesters, who have also said it just felt natural. I have also talked to serial murderers who also said it came natural. I am not saying being gay is like any of the other. People say that have no choice in who they are, but all of those people who murdered, raped and molested also said the same thing. People,(men and women) who live together, and millions are doing it, are breaking the commandments of God. I do not hate you or anyone else...I suppose that when it comes down to it, everyone has an excuse to do as they do and say it is okay. The gossiper down the street who talks about you behind your back will have to go before God, if they were making fun of you. Now if they came to you, face to face and spoke to you as I am doing, they are only trying to save your soul. I have to say it is what it is, the Bible is clear, man can try to change it, but it does say in Romans chapter one, if you would like to read it. Christians might want to walk around it, and not be offensive to you, and I understand that, but they are failing you. I will tell you that Jesus loves you, and it is not his will that anyone would die and go to hell. God bless you, and know I am not judging you, but just giving you the truth of what the Bible states. Everyone is entitled their own opinions, and when one doesn't agree, they are to believed as haters and that is not so.
As a skeptic, I would say, "God, if you exist, please save my soul, if I have one."

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488681 Feb 15, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>So then mankind no responsible for anything then?
Not if you assume that an all-powerful god created everything and everyone, and has total control of everything. How could it be otherwise in that case?
So if people want to murder and rape and kill and rob and burn, no blame the person, no put the person in jail. Blame God.
If God could prevent murder, raping, and theft, but chooses not to, then of course God is culpable. Again, how can God be all-powerful but only semi-responsible? If you are all-powerful, then you control everything, and everything is ultimately your responsibility. It's simple logic.
God is the evil one right?
Who created evil?
Because now you can blame God for being a homosexual.
There is nothing wrong with being a homosexual, so blame doesn't enter into it. Also, I certainly don't blame something I don't think exists for anything. Do you blame anything on Santa Clause?
All this time, I finally get to the core of the matter. You ultimately want to blame God for your homosexual acts.
A) Again, I don't blame things I don't think exist.
B) I don't commit "homosexual acts".
C) There is nothing wrong with "homosexual acts"

Again, you keep going astray because you make assumptions which turn our to be wrong. You put words in my mouth, which I never do to you by the way. And you make claims about me which are laughably wrong. Notice I don't do that about you. Why do you do that?
So why have laws right? You blame God when the child rapist rape and murder a 8yr old, because is God make the pedophile want to rape children. So is God evil to make the pedophile, but not the pedophile for raping and murder the child?
Did God make the pedophile? Did God allow the pedophile to molest kids? Yet you claim God has no responsibility for that? Really?
And now I know exactly what you are, and how you think.
WOW!
LOL! You've been wrong about me from the start, and you continue to be wrong. Stop assuming things about myself and others. I don't do that about you, do I?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#488682 Feb 15, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Then what a waste of effort.
:D
CS.
Like you, I have trouble with dusty sandals. LOL

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#488683 Feb 15, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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What is the most powerful magic spell, Avada Kedavra, Crucio, or Imperio?
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What will you do if you believed in the wrong god, and it also punishes non-belief? Ooops?
that you argument? what if you believe the wrong God, haha.

I know through Jesus Christ I get to real God YHWH.

The only question you should have is am I right, or am I wrong.

If you decide I wrong, that is your business and has no effect on me, only you.

I already made my decision writer.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#488684 Feb 15, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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huh?! i not only know what it means, but i'm living proof that spiritual regeneration is still a very valid reality for 'whosoever will believe'!
get on board while the get'n is good!
No, you don't.

No, you you don't.

I prefer to swim with Jesus.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#488685 Feb 15, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. you decided against abortion. CS would probably applaud you for that decision but, self-righteously condemn you for being a single parent. What does that tell you ??..
I was never promised that life would be easy...there would be those that would make sure that it is not. I am okay with that...I do not ask for their approval.
.. your second child? Perhaps a gift ??..
He was a gift when he was given to me to love and take care of...I never asked for guarantees that he would be healthy, intelligent, cute as a button...nor "straight". I just promised to love him.

What is ironic...I was married when I had him...his dad wanted me to have an abortion...I said no. I have had people tell me that since he is gay...I should have aborted him.
.. it would be interesting to know what your views on homosexuality were before knowing your son was gay. How and why did they change ??..
HL...I grew up in a "fundie" household. I lived out in the backwoods where if there were gay people they stayed well hidden. I am not even sure if I had heard the word homosexual or knew what it meant until I was an adult. You would think that would make me like some of the people here. Somehow...it didn't.

My mother taught me the value of people. She taught me that simply because we were different...that didn't give me the right to think less of them.

When my son came to me and told me he was gay...he knew that he would be loved and accepted by me...there was no doubt in his mind. Those first few weeks after he told me...I would take nothing for those conversations that we had...conversations of love and understanding from both of us. They bring tears to my eyes even now as I recall them.

I set out to learn about the gay community. I had shared in his life before...I saw no reason for that to change. I had no idea that people could be so ugly.

The first openly gay man that I met was a real cutie pie. We were both in the floral industry and went to a convention together...went to dinner...had a few drinks...talked for hours. I didn't even have to worry about a jealous husband. I still think about him from time to time...wonder how his life came out.
.. just want you to know - you're a very gentle presence on this thread ..
Thanks...I am sure however that there are some here that would truly disagree with you. My mouth sometimes gets out of control! LOL

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#488687 Feb 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
LOL
"Your honor my client did not butcher the man to death, he beat him to death"
"I walked in on my husband, as he was beating his meat."

Yeah, there's no difference there, Dim.
Skombolis wrote:
I am sure in your mind trying to minimize the adjective somehow changes the intent.
The intent is entirely the domain of the person who originally made the comment. I saw the comment as a jab, not a gratuitous insult.

I am sure in your mind trying to maximize the adjective somehow changes the intent. Remember, you are the one that changed the word, my word, for some reason. Either you can't keep track of what was said, or you did it with purpose.
Skombolis wrote:
His post was meant to be a negative about Christians.
I'll trust the person making the original comment over you any day.
Skombolis wrote:
That was the point and why the implication was so obvious
I am enjoying watching you guys and how you define honesty. it is quite telling
Honesty is portraying what you believe to be the truth.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488688 Feb 15, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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The bible states the earth is a circle (round) in Isaiah 40:22..He sits enthroned above the CIRCLE of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.
As I said, the Bible refers to the Earth as flat, and also sometimes as a square. A circle is not a sphere. A circle is also not a square, so that is just one more contradictory aspect of the Bible.
When it states the four corners, It means..North, South, East and West makes up the corners.
That's right. And there are no corners on a sphere, or a circle either for that matter.
Jesus died for the sins of the WORLD. IF you repent and believe on Him.. He died for everyone’s sins, it just means that everyone has the chance for eternal life. He isn't asking much from us except to believe!!! Its a Choice!
Why does belief make any difference? If the debt is paid, then the job is done. If I don't believe does that change the fact of the past?
Jesus defeated death for us and has offered us Life eternally to ALL who believe...Thats why He is also called our "redeemer".. The victory over hell HAS been defeated already..Its not our job to defeat it IF we believe. Its really so simple. People and religion makes it harder than its suppose to be.
Well again, if all that has been accomplished already, belief doesn't enter into it.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#488689 Feb 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Not if you assume that an all-powerful god created everything and everyone, and has total control of everything. How could it be otherwise in that case?
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If God could prevent murder, raping, and theft, but chooses not to, then of course God is culpable. Again, how can God be all-powerful but only semi-responsible? If you are all-powerful, then you control everything, and everything is ultimately your responsibility. It's simple logic.
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Who created evil?
<quoted text>
There is nothing wrong with being a homosexual, so blame doesn't enter into it. Also, I certainly don't blame something I don't think exists for anything. Do you blame anything on Santa Clause?
<quoted text>
A) Again, I don't blame things I don't think exist.
B) I don't commit "homosexual acts".
C) There is nothing wrong with "homosexual acts"
Again, you keep going astray because you make assumptions which turn our to be wrong. You put words in my mouth, which I never do to you by the way. And you make claims about me which are laughably wrong. Notice I don't do that about you. Why do you do that?
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Did God make the pedophile? Did God allow the pedophile to molest kids? Yet you claim God has no responsibility for that? Really?
<quoted text>
LOL! You've been wrong about me from the start, and you continue to be wrong. Stop assuming things about myself and others. I don't do that about you, do I?
Not only do I know what you are, but I know what you defend. Sums up nicely here:

trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>So then mankind no responsible for anything then?

wilderide:-
Not if you assume that an all-powerful god created everything and everyone, and has total control of everything. How could it be otherwise in that case?

[[[[[
That the summary. No need to discuss nothing with you no more.

Basically you saying no one should be responsible for any behavior.

No country, no business, no government on the planet would make they laws or rules in that way. So you thinking is not only implausible, but quite Mad.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#488690 Feb 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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This makes no sense. If the debt was paid, then it was paid, whether I believe the story or not. If I pay off your credit card balance, it's paid off whether you believe that I did or not. How is the debt only paid if I happen to believe it? Either Jesus died on the cross for all sins or he didn't. If I don't believe it then does the past change somehow? How does that work?...
Based on the prinicples of Atonement in the Bible (OT), the Yearly atonement was for EVERYONE, whethe they knoew it, liked it, belieed it or not.

Chrisitanity has no clue what the religion of Jesus wass about nor have they ever cared to in 1700 years.

While I believe in Jesus and God, I find that 99% of Modern Christianity (AKA PAulinism) is one convoluted fairytale made up pagans, starting with Paul and promulgated at sword point by Emperors and Popes ever since.

Islam isn't much better, either.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#488691 Feb 15, 2013
I need a new keboard. This one has messed up kes.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#488692 Feb 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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This makes no sense. If the debt was paid, then it was paid, whether I believe the story or not. If I pay off your credit card balance, it's paid off whether you believe that I did or not. How is the debt only paid if I happen to believe it? Either Jesus died on the cross for all sins or he didn't. If I don't believe it then does the past change somehow? How does that work?
<quoted text>
So why is God's mission only 1/3 effective after over 2,000 years? God is either a very poor communicator or doing a bad job of convincing people that it exists. Seems to me the obvious solution is to prove that it exists. Why does God play head-games?
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When I was a born-again Christian I did, yes. Made no difference though.
<quoted text>
Keeping it real means making wild assumptions about total strangers? Okaaaay. Keeping it real isn't very real then, is it?
So you comparing jesus death on the cross to a credit card debt? oy!lol.

well then if someone pay you credit card debt, but you reject the payment and tell the bank give back the money, well you still owe the debt. you reject Jesus, you sin debt still owed.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#488693 Feb 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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As I said, the Bible refers to the Earth as flat, and also sometimes as a square. A circle is not a sphere. A circle is also not a square, so that is just one more contradictory aspect of the Bible.
<quoted text>
That's right. And there are no corners on a sphere, or a circle either for that matter.
<quoted text>
Why does belief make any difference? If the debt is paid, then the job is done. If I don't believe does that change the fact of the past?
<quoted text>
Well again, if all that has been accomplished already, belief doesn't enter into it.
Why are you trying to explain geometry to those who think that 1+1+1=1 ?

LOL

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488694 Feb 15, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Angry extians who got nowhere near power, had no faith and couldn't get their lies into the Bible are now reliable sources? For every un credible extian or atheist 'scholar' there are 20 credible ones from different times, religions, cultures, beliefs etc...Atheists cannot possibly be objective either. Both think they know everything, no human knows everything, no credibility. Even Scientists, especially the credible ones admit no concrete evidence that there is no God. Good luck with your cause and all, but one has to wonder why you've chosen topix for it :-)
You have a fundamental misunderstanding of atheism. Atheism makes no claim to knowledge. Atheism is simply skepticism of religious claims. Any atheist who claims to know everything is obviously as much a fool as a religious person saying the same thing.

I don't know how you are defining "concrete evidence", but you cannot prove there is no God in the same way you cannot prove there is no tooth fairy. You can't prove a negative. The burden of proof is on those making a claim, not the reverse. Religious people make claims about gods, and atheists are the skeptics asking for objective evidence for those claims. BTW, you yourself are an atheist, assuming you don't believe that every god ever conceived exists. The fact that there is no objective evidence for the existence of an all-powerful deity which supposedly wants to be believed in by humans in particular is very telling in itself. There is every reason for there to be a whole lot of objective evidence for such a deity, yet there is none at all.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488695 Feb 15, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>So you comparing jesus death on the cross to a credit card debt? oy!lol.
well then if someone pay you credit card debt, but you reject the payment and tell the bank give back the money, well you still owe the debt. you reject Jesus, you sin debt still owed.
So if I don't believe Jesus was a messiah he did not actually die on the cross? Either Jesus died for everyone's sins, or he didn't. What difference does my belief make?

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#488696 Feb 15, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
LOL
What??
You wrote:
"I disagree, maybe. Given Skom's ego, he probably believes that God has his back, and agrees with his mistakes."
The subject was whether Christians feel we need to make amends for our sins so long as we are forgiven. You said my pride would result in me thinking God agrees with my mistakes. The implication is I would no no incentive to make amends feeling God supported what I did.
I apologize. I wrote that to IANS. Had I written it to you, I would have been a bit more explicit.

I think your ego is preventing you from seeing your error as an error. I think you would then have no reason to ask anyone for forgiveness, because you believe you didn't do anything wrong. You might even assume that God agrees with your assessment of your behavior, and might not feel the least bit worried about what God might think, but at least you must believe that the truth is known to him.

I've tried showing you where your error is. You paraphrased IANS incorrectly. He denied your version of what he said. You then assumed that his denial meant that he was claiming the opposite of your paraphrasing (fallacy of false dichotomy), and then called him a liar for that, and continued to do so after your mistake was exposed. I don't expect you to recognize it now. You're far too ego invested at this point. What I expect is for you to put up your shields or run away.
Skombolis wrote:
So either i don't think it is a sin if i feel God supports it and the it has nothing to do with whether a Christian would feel they need to make amends for their sins since I wouldn't see it as a sin or I see it as a sin but think God supports me on it. And since the topix was is amends needed after receiving forgiveness and someone would only ask for forgiveness if they thought they sinned, it clearly can't be the first option
Sorry IANS jr, but you could save yourself a lot of time by simply standing behind your words instead of trying to find unbelievable and inapplicable technicalities to try to squirm out of them. But i understand why you would take that route since you are trying to come up with a defense for someone doing the same thing.
Please support your claims.
Skombolis wrote:
But since you are saying I don't follow correctly what IANS is saying, please tell me what he is saying "nope" too and what he claims he isn't going to keep correcting me on?
Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"
IANS responded
"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."
Since he did say he believes it is possible creator gods exist but would require proof since he was making the point just because its possible doesn't mean he thinks it is and without proof wouldn't think they exist, please tell me what he was correcting me on?
He never said he would require proof. He said he would require evidence.

There is a difference between proof and evidence.

If you are out in the woods, and find two walnuts on the ground, that is evidence of something. It might be evidence that there is a walnut tree nearby. It's not proof of that. It could be evidence that the walnuts were dropped there by an animal. I would believe, based on reasonably sufficient evidence, that if I found a thousand walnuts under a tree, that that tree is a walnut tree. It still might not be a walnut tree, however. That sufficient evidence would not be proof.

Do you need IANS to tell you? He cleared this up in a post already.

“Ungood doubleplus duckspeak.”

Since: Dec 12

Earth

#488697 Feb 15, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>This makes no sense. If the debt was paid, then it was paid, whether I believe the story or not. If I pay off your credit card balance, it's paid off whether you believe that I did or not. How is the debt only paid if I happen to believe it? Either Jesus died on the cross for all sins or he didn't. If I don't believe it then does the past change somehow? How does that work?

[QUOTE]The 1/3 number is relevant. The mission is for the whole earth to know the gospel and why Jesus died for them. That the job of the jesus follower. Who get saved, that the job of God."

So why is God's mission only 1/3 effective after over 2,000 years? God is either a very poor communicator or doing a bad job of convincing people that it exists. Seems to me the obvious solution is to prove that it exists. Why does God play head-games?

[QUOTE]Just curious, have you asked Jesus to forgive you of your homosexual practices and take that urge from you? maybe then God will hear you."

When I was a born-again Christian I did, yes. Made no difference though.

[QUOTE]But you won't get a response from Jesus wanting to practice homosexuality and be a Jesus follower to. Maybe is because you want both and Jesus know it why he no respond to you.
As Dr Reality say just keeping it real."

Keeping it real means making wild assumptions about total strangers? Okaaaay. Keeping it real isn't very real then, is it?
If keeping it real means making wild assumptions about total strangers and you think keeping it real isn't very real (very? are there degrees of reality?) then you and your buddies here and on WINLAC, are delusional, whilst calling Christians delusional. Interesting.

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