Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

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#488349 Feb 14, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Thank you. I have a better view now, and it changed my perspective instantly...Here is a site that serves his art as Desktop wallpapers of you wish...
http://onlyhdwallpapers.com/art/paintings-cas...
Bonjour mon ami, thank you for this.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488350 Feb 14, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>The objective evidence is the gospels of Jesus Christ and Church History.
No, that is not objective evidence. Obviously, objective evidence must come from outside the sources of the claims. You might as well say that the Bhagavad Gita is objective evidence for the existence of Krishna.
So we can read what Jesus did and say.
No, you can read about what those who were present at the councils of Nicea decided to include in the canon. And if you are reading a Protestant Bible, it was further edited of seven books by Martin Luther another 1,500 years later.
That is the objective. So faith and trust in Jesus Christ is not blind faith, is faith based on certain objectives.
You are confusing objective evidence with having an objective.
But I no think a person will have faith and trust in Jesus based on bible and church history alone, they must have a spiritual experience.
Again, every person in every other religion has spiritual experiences of entirely different gods than yours, so that's not really very reliable, is it? That's why, again, objective evidence is important.
A Christian motive to avoid sin is that they conscience is now governed by Jesus Christ YHWH and the Spirit of God. We getting into the once saved always saved thing. But to me if someone say they Christian and they conscience not bothered by sin, they no have the spirit of God and they just a religious Christian but they no belong to the body of Jesus Christ.
But supposedly Jesus already paid for all sins, so what does it matter?
I can't explain people who cry out to Jesus and no get no reply. I can't explain that. Because when I get serious reach out to Jesus, I instantly was reached.
That's great for you, but it certainly disproves the claim that Jesus comes to everyone who honestly seeks him. So you can't keep saying that happens, can you? Because obviously it doesn't.
Well the catholics some ways back off that stance about going through Mary directly. Especially the last two popes John Paul and the present one really stick to bible orthodoxy. People simply can't get to god directly because they have to go through the blood of Jesus. If they try and go around Jesus they still in they sin and they not credible in the eyes of YHWH
But doesn't that just demonstrate how inconsistent this God is? What happened before Jesus? Why does God keep changing it's mind?
Absolutely God is not beyond understanding. I no understand all of God ways, but I understand a lot of his ways and why YHWH do certain things he do through Jesus.
Well, you could say the same of science then. You might understand a little of it, if not everything, but just because you (or I) don't understand everything about science doesn't mean that it's not correct. "I don't understand it so it can't be true" is just an argument from incredulity.
What other religious claims are based on a person that states they are a savior, that have world history backing they existence, and have so much writings about them as Jesus Christ. who?
So the fact that the claim involves a savior makes it more true? That makes no sense. Christianity became a dominant religion because it proselytizes, unlike, say Judaism, and because Constantine made it the official religion of his empire. Christianity rode on the coattails of a successful culture. It could have been any other religion, and for that matter, Christianity itself could have easily developed very differently than it has. For example, the Gnostics nearly won their power struggle over the other early Christian sects.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#488351 Feb 14, 2013
Welp, take care folks. God loves you.

:)

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

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#488352 Feb 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Amen, Bonsoir mon amie Seraphine, how're you this evening.
Bonjour mon ami, I am well and you? What do you think of the painting? What do you see when you look at it?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#488353 Feb 14, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
As my dear old grandmother use to say, " it will all come out in the wash". LOL
Not if it is stained with dirty water it won't.

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

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#488354 Feb 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you Seraphine, you have a Blessed day.(:
Bonjour mon ami, may you have a blessed day as well :)

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488355 Feb 14, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Where did God say to rape anybody?
Here:

Deuteronomy 20:10-14 "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."

And here:

Deuteronomy 21:10-1 "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

As just two obvious examples.
When Israel won a war, you rather Israel put those people into slavery?, or kill them?
Why not neither?
Women for a long time take care of children, men go out and hunt and fight war. that sexism?
No, sexism is stipulating that women are to be treated as property. Sexism is to state that women shall not be leaders but shall rather be subjugated by men. Sexism is to say that if an unmarried woman is raped, the rapist will pay a fine to the father, and then the woman will be forced to marry her attacker. Actually, that's not sexism so much as it is psychotically cruel.
When a country defeat a race, you want them to treat them like citizens and give them all the things the citizens have? or you think because of war they may be unequal distribution of wealth and racism?
So your answer is to attack people because of their race and kill them all, and that is OK. Scary!
if not incest how would more people come? it start with adam and eve, at some point cousins no have to have sex with cousins to multiply?
So incest is OK too? Okaaaaay.
sex between brother and sister or mother and child, where God say to do that?
Well, you yourself just pointed out that God made that necessary in Genesis.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#488356 Feb 14, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL
I hear ya. It definitely must be a problem with their Onstar system or something! I am shocked their aren't people lined up around my block waiting to hear my advice!
My sponsor used to always tell me "nobody cares about your opinion. You wanna think about something, think about staying sober"
In retrospect he wasn't a lot of fun! lOL. Although I picked him cause he was a no nonsense kind of guy. But still, to stifle my genius insights? That's criminal! I feel your pain on people having the wrong directions!
BTw, I have been seeing a lot of Billy Joel references lately!
All right, wasted all my time..gotta run
Have a good one BT and everyone else
(T) Peace
Later man...don't come back too tired ta think.

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

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#488357 Feb 14, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you kindly, but that's not necessary. I wasn't treated too badly - just rudely. My purpose with all of that was not to get an apology, which I never expected, but to make my point about cheap forgiveness on demand with apology optional.
You probably saw Juicy's post telling me about Christian love requiring it between her various slanders. From http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... :
IANS wrote: "Christian doctrine requires only that you repent and ask for forgiveness, not that you make restitution or apologize to your victim."
Juicy wrote: "What 'Doctrine'? To hurt someone and not apologize to them would not be loving them. Jesus taught to love others as yourself. There is also no point in repenting to God if we have a problem confessing and repenting to one another. If I hurt someone and didn't apologize, I would feel like a hypocrite in asking for God's forgiveness. I believe it's tied in with judgement and giving to God."
It wasn't long after that that she called me a liar without cause, and refused to back up her claim. I think that I made my point, as well as giving Juicy the verbal fillip to the ear that she earned with her bad manners.
<quoted text>
Yes, of course I remember you. You are the pianist and art restorer that I believe lives close to my old stomping grounds in San Diego County.
<quoted text>
Thanks again, but no, I don't need to vent about that.
Bonjour mon ami, speaking for myself, being rude to someone is the same as behaving badly towards them. Forgiveness in my opinion entials firstly the sincere apology to all those who have been hurt, then forgiveness for self. In my eyes all people are the same because this is my understanding of what it means to be not only a Christian but a human being. People who exhibit such behavior need to be corrected albeit lovingly and with compassion as I have done. Hypocrisy is the worst kind of evil I think.

Thank you for remembering me, I am honored that you do and I see you still have the same avatar? What do you see when you look at mine? It is a painting by Caspar David Friederich entitled Man and Woman comtemplating the moon. When we offer cheap forgiveness we cheapen the value of the person, do you not agree? I look foward to hearing from you again and thank you taking the time to respond to me.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#488358 Feb 14, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
IF YOU GOT ENOUGH OF MONEY TO PAY
you can have 1000 degress like mushrooms after raon
LOL!

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#488359 Feb 14, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You really deserve to be treated as you wish others treated.
I was asked a question. I honestly answered. Up until about 10-12 years ago same sex marriages were illegal not just in the United States, but in most countries world wide. Now all of the sudden same sex marriages are ok and nothing wrong with it.

You are really portraying yourself as a lousy example of a human being, and now you come with this post typed with filth ink, messing up the screen. You have blurred the lines between love and perversion and you expect people who are truthful to themselves and to their Creator to agree with your acceptance of nastiness and the sodomites. Love everyone, do not be a hypocrite and cuddle the sin.

You have no right to speak on morally charged issues because you're moral compass was borrowed from capn' Jack Sparrow. It only goes where you want to to go. Now do your Fred Sanford impersonation and call Lamont to your rescue.

CS.
Knowledge

United States

#488360 Feb 14, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> I have never met an invisible lesbian or homosexual. I have yet to meet one I could consider a "evil" either. I think they are being "tagged" in hatred, much like the Jews and other polish were, being forced to don armbands and patches to denote the bigotry of those that believed themselves above them on the foodchain. Those "elite" are now being viewed with disgust and seen as despicable in the eyes of society.
This chapter is merely a repeat of history with the characters having been changed. The deplorable system of hate and degradation are eminently the same.
How and where will you fit into the picture, and your character be assessed, when it comes time for the future to levy judgement on it's past morals and actions? I would rather help those unjustly accused carry the stigma until it is removed, than be among those tried for the inhumanity such as those in the Nuremberg trials.
I have to say, as you know, I don't agree with homosexuality, but I do not believe one is evil because of it. Adultry, even looking at a woman or man is considered that before the eyes of God. I look at sin it all the same.I have read so many people argue about what they believe is sin or is greater, divorce, prostitution, ect. and I believe some people live in a make believe world. I believe working in the prison system, opened my eyes to the whole world. It is easy to argue about sin, and clue it as evil. Some Christians don't ask why a person did what they did, or do. As a Christian woman in a male prison many inmates asked me if God would forgive them for what they did. We were not allowed to speak of God, unless they asked. Many may not like what I have to say, so if this offends anyone, I am sorry, but it is life, and the world we live in. A man told me how sorry he was for killing his girlfriend for not doing what he wanted sexually. He said she tried to get away, so he chopped her body up, and drove around with her body in trash bags in his pinto till he got caught. That girl stayed with him out of fear, for quite awhile. Too afraid to ask for help. I suppose some would say, that she lived in sin, so she died in her sins... they didn't know the whole story, but her predator did. He warned her of hurting her family, if she did not comply.. 2) A pimp would pick up young runaways, feed them, rape them in return, slavery on the streets. If they were not doing what they were told, do drugs these young girls then turned into women, would be held down and sliced and diced,burned in places that are unmentionable. Their only escape would be God, or their pimp to go to prison, then they could run, with the emotional and physical scars. hey were taught they had to go with male or female, or be mutilated, or beaten, possibly killed. The prisons are over crowded, and people are being let out with severe emotional problems. Many of those men, were "the norm" when they went in, but now they are raped, beaten by other inmates to be in a gang. I also saw many husbands continuously beat their wives, and children because their home was not "in order" to the husband, or he was just tired of her, or found her unattractive after five children, and age came upon her. So he beat her and cursed her everyday in front of the children. Their children and the mother would live in fear, because she had no education,no money and the husband said he was the man and in the Bible, she had to do everything he said, so she eventually is killed by her husband. The list goes on and on and these are just short stories of the predators speaking about their victims. They asked for forgiveness before God, but the damage was done to all of their victims. I suppose what I want to say is everyone has a story behind them. God knows their story, but we as Christians do not, many Christians do not ask someone why, they just judge their "sin" and push on, not realizing what that person has been through.Food for thought.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#488361 Feb 14, 2013
wilderide wrote:
<quoted text>
Here:
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 "As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you."
And here:
Deuteronomy 21:10-1 "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
As just two obvious examples.
<quoted text>
Why not neither?
<quoted text>
No, sexism is stipulating that women are to be treated as property. Sexism is to state that women shall not be leaders but shall rather be subjugated by men. Sexism is to say that if an unmarried woman is raped, the rapist will pay a fine to the father, and then the woman will be forced to marry her attacker. Actually, that's not sexism so much as it is psychotically cruel.
<quoted text>
So your answer is to attack people because of their race and kill them all, and that is OK. Scary!
<quoted text>
So incest is OK too? Okaaaaay.
<quoted text>
Well, you yourself just pointed out that God made that necessary in Genesis.
I no see where God say to rape, God say you can make the women you wives or servants

In a war and a country lose the war, what you think the women would want? to be wives? or to be murdered as the enemy? I think the women would choose to live.

Sexism? again. when a country lose a war is it best to kill the women or make them property?

What I'm saying is to take your argument out to the end, there should not be war. So America should not attack nazi germany because some people might get killed.

I know I no want no secular humanist like you in charge on the country. because you would let Iran come in rape and pillage the country because you no like the ugly things of war.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#488362 Feb 14, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>10-4... what's interesting is that it used to be the case that if some one called you and your wife Mr. and Mrs.(your first name)(your last name) that this would also have been acceptable?
God called "them" Adam... It has nothing to do with gay marriage at all but I thought that was interesting in lieu of the Mr & Mrs (male's first and last name). Adam actually named her Eve.
Well, That is the handed down translation anyway...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#488363 Feb 14, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
<quoted text>
my dear friend - Jesus didn't come to make bad people better; He came to make spiritually dead people alive!:)
"you must be born again" Jesus
See Father Guido's explanation of "born again" in "life is a job".

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#488364 Feb 14, 2013
Seraphine wrote:
<quoted text>
Bonjour mon ami, thank you for this.
Bonjour Madame. I owe you a Liszt/Chopin story, and here it is.

As you no doubt know, Liszt and Chopin were contemporaries, in fact they were born a year apart. Chopin was not just a composer, but a wonderful pianist who gave many public performances. He was tremendously popular, sort of the Elvis Presley of the mid-1800s. Liszt was also a virtuoso pianist (with an incredible reach, his fingers were very long), but unfortunately fortune hadn't smiled on him, and he could barely eke out a living with his music.

Chopin was a decent and caring person, and recognized Liszt's great talent. He decided to help Liszt, and formulated a plan. Chopin announced that he would give a public performance, but in the dark. On the night in question, there wasn't an empty seat in the house. The audience waited in anticipation, but could not see the stage at all, as it was in total darkness.

The concert was fantastic. At the conclusion, the audience responded with a standing ovation, mesmerized by the beauty of the performance. Then the lights were turned on, and the audience saw that the pianist was not Chopin but Liszt.

As the story goes, this event was a springboard for success for Liszt. A beautiful story, no? Perhaps apocryphal, but I prefer to believe it is true.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#488365 Feb 14, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Kind of reminds me of a scene in the movie "the Chronicles of Riddick" Where he took a chance to be killed by the scorching sun on that planet to save his friend. He doused himself with water, put himself in harm's way, helped rescued her and escaped that scorching sun just in time... when all was said and done the smoke or steam from that scorching heat was coming from his body.

Jude 1:22-23 - "Be merciful to those who doubt... snatch others from the fire and save them"

S'ppose to be a another Riddick movie coming out I hear.
Great movie, yeah the second one comes out this year sometime :-)

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#488366 Feb 14, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
<quoted text>
I have to say, as you know, I don't agree with homosexuality, but I do not believe one is evil because of it. Adultry, even looking at a woman or man is considered that before the eyes of God. I look at sin it all the same.I have read so many people argue about what they believe is sin or is greater, divorce, prostitution, ect. and I believe some people live in a make believe world. I believe working in the prison system, opened my eyes to the whole world. It is easy to argue about sin, and clue it as evil. Some Christians don't ask why a person did what they did, or do. As a Christian woman in a male prison many inmates asked me if God would forgive them for what they did. We were not allowed to speak of God, unless they asked. Many may not like what I have to say, so if this offends anyone, I am sorry, but it is life, and the world we live in. A man told me how sorry he was for killing his girlfriend for not doing what he wanted sexually. He said she tried to get away, so he chopped her body up, and drove around with her body in trash bags in his pinto till he got caught. That girl stayed with him out of fear, for quite awhile. Too afraid to ask for help. I suppose some would say, that she lived in sin, so she died in her sins... they didn't know the whole story, but her predator did. He warned her of hurting her family, if she did not comply.. 2) A pimp would pick up young runaways, feed them, rape them in return, slavery on the streets. If they were not doing what they were told, do drugs these young girls then turned into women, would be held down and sliced and diced,burned in places that are unmentionable. Their only escape would be God, or their pimp to go to prison, then they could run, with the emotional and physical scars. hey were taught they had to go with male or female, or be mutilated, or beaten, possibly killed. The prisons are over crowded, and people are being let out with severe emotional problems. Many of those men, were "the norm" when they went in, but now they are raped, beaten by other inmates to be in a gang. I also saw many husbands continuously beat their wives, and children because their home was not "in order" to the husband, or he was just tired of her, or found her unattractive after five children, and age came upon her. So he beat her and cursed her everyday in front of the children. Their children and the mother would live in fear, because she had no education,no money and the husband said he was the man and in the Bible, she had to do everything he said, so she eventually is killed by her husband. The list goes on and on and these are just short stories of the predators speaking about their victims. They asked for forgiveness before God, but the damage was done to all of their victims. I suppose what I want to say is everyone has a story behind them. God knows their story, but we as Christians do not, many Christians do not ask someone why, they just judge their "sin" and push on, not realizing what that person has been through.Food for thought.
Just out of curiousity, was there something in your near death experience that leads you to believe the bible is legitimate?

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#488367 Feb 14, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>
I was asked a question. I honestly answered. Up until about 10-12 years ago same sex marriages were illegal not just in the United States, but in most countries world wide. Now all of the sudden same sex marriages are ok and nothing wrong with it.
You are really portraying yourself as a lousy example of a human being, and now you come with this post typed with filth ink, messing up the screen. You have blurred the lines between love and perversion and you expect people who are truthful to themselves and to their Creator to agree with your acceptance of nastiness and the sodomites. Love everyone, do not be a hypocrite and cuddle the sin.
You have no right to speak on morally charged issues because you're moral compass was borrowed from capn' Jack Sparrow. It only goes where you want to to go. Now do your Fred Sanford impersonation and call Lamont to your rescue.
CS.
I too asked a question, of you, but you have avoided it. So, I will ask again.

What does the following mean?

"Yahweh Sword Proclaims the Abba's Word to His Congregation Though His Son Yahshua haMashiach all to the honor and splendor of the Name of YHWH."

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#488368 Feb 14, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>Three brains and one puppy.

One time was moving and hired theses two fellows to move the furiture.So they was moving this big couch and they come in and picked it up and I said might wanna stand it up long ways to go thru the door.No ms we know what we're doin,me and my partner been movin stuff for years,so I stood back and let them have at it.Well they huffed and puffed and got it to the door.One of the fellows tells the other one nope man this is not gonna work.The second man told the first fellow well this puppy came in and this puppy goin out.I told the fellows yep that is just how that puppy came in standing up on a rug.I layed down the rug so it slip thru the doorway with no damage and out the door stood up that puppy went.
Three brains and one puppy.lol lol the wonder of it all lol lol
Lol...that's great, love ya <3

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