Why Should Jesus Love Me?

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#488303 Feb 14, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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As I said before, He is no god. And I disagree. Knowledge is based on not just perspective but evidence and experience. You can believe or not believe if you want to because I for one won't be forcing you to accept the way I have come to know and understand the path to the Kingdom of the Most High Creator.
It is called free will. People can choose freely to go to hell or to be saved; the Father condemns no one. We find every reason to disobey, rebel and live a wicked and abhorent life and condemn ourselves. It is simple, there will be NO PLACE in the Kingdom for Evil and Rebellion. You may not like it, but even you can understand this.
Your argument is poor and miserable. When someone stands up for perversion and abominable acts and claim that they 'Love', they are deceived and are wicked people as were in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Counter_Strike: As it were in the days of Lot, so shall it be in the end.[Quo Vadis]
So tell us, what is the meaning of the following:

"Yahweh Sword Proclaims the Abba's Word to His Congregation Though His Son Yahshua haMashiach all to the honor and splendor of the Name of YHWH."
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#488304 Feb 14, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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What about my welcome?
fart
the best welcome for you

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#488305 Feb 14, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
Continued from prior post:
Mark 10:1-12(NIV)
Divorce
10 Jesus then left that place and went into the region of Judea and across the Jordan. Again crowds of people came to him, and as was his custom, he taught them.
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking,“Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?”
3 “What did Moses command you?” he replied.
4 They said,“Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. 6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’[a] 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[b] 8 and the two will become one flesh.’[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this. 11 He answered,“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her. 12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”
Here are three examples of views when it comes to 2nd marriages being…..
OK in the sight of God:
http://www.divorcehope.com/canchristiansremar...
One example of a more balanced view - a sin but not completely against God:
http://www.gotquestions.org/divorce-remarriag...
One example of divorce going completely against God:
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Marriag...
So Jesus made it very clear that if one divorces and marries another it is in fact considered adultery, yet you do not find in the Bible Jesus speaking out directly about homosexuality. These two sins are found in Scripture even in the exact same passage together, telling us that they are a sin. So why are they looked at so completely different by so many of us?
My point to all of this is this. Regardless of where you stand when it comes to homosexuality, divorce, or any other sin found within the Bible, is your heart in the right place when you discuss it? Have you looked into *all* of the scripture, prayed for guidance, requested clarification from trusted others, and do you personally feel that you are giving an honest and true personal testimony when you discuss it? The below link asks some good questions and gives a breakdown of some of the things Christians are struggling with, when it comes to this issue.
http://forusa.org/content/homosexuality-bible...
“We can challenge both gays and straights to question their behaviors in the light of love and the requirements of fidelity, honesty, responsibility, and genuine concern for the best interests of the other and of society as a whole.”
In summary, both marrying in adultery and fornications are sins according to the holy scriptures. Those who repent of these sins God will forgive... as far as the the former it has been happening for so long and now seen as the acceptable and the norm in society. The problem with that is people will read the bible, agree with it but don't think that it has anything to do with today standards so some may think that they have nothing to repent of. That's the danger imho.. as far as latter, it's easier to distinguish homosexuality as a sin now since gay marriage, coming out and the like are in it's infancy but just like some Christians are deceived into thinking it's okay now... that sense of comfortableness with sin will also spread in the church now and in the future and a majority will soon believe the deception that the sin of homosexuality is not necessarily wrong also. They may read it, they may agree that it is a sin... but when it comes to today's standards they'll just wink at it at attack those who recognize it as sin.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488306 Feb 14, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
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But if you not serious, then you just want to stay in you sinful lifestyles and just lashing out against Christians to feel better in you philosophy of secular humanism.
Are slavery, genocide, ethnic cleansing, sexism, racism, rape, and incest sins?
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#488307 Feb 14, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
DOES THE BIBLE TEACH TO MAKE AMENDS TO THOSE WE HAVE HURT?
YES
Proverbs 14:9
Fools mock at making amends for sin, but goodwill is found among the upright.
I don't have time to do a whole study and obviously saying we don't need to make amends because we can just ask the sky for forgiveness is not simply stating doctrine but implying Christians lack empathy. And it wouldn't even be stating doctrine correct
Plus nobody can read the teachings of Christ and walk away thinking we shouldn't care about the other person so long as we are forgiven by God. However loving someone doesn't require us to turn a blind eye to what's right
I will post more on this later
(T) Peace
Skom
Bible doesn't teach Gods Children to ask for forgivenes God for harsh exposing truth about those wicked abominable children of devil and devil table full of immoral vomits

Bible only teach God children to ask or pray for forgiveness,
if one of us hurt or insulted our own spiritual brothers,

our human errors are forgiven if we step down from insulting,or mocking other fellow brother in Christ,

NOT THIS WORLD FULL OF DEAD STINKING FRUITS

God bless you Skom

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#488308 Feb 14, 2013
Edit: "...but when it comes to today's standards they'll just wink at it AND attack or shake their head at those who recognize it as sin." History repeats itself.
Knowledge

United States

#488309 Feb 14, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Agreed.
Might get back into this thread in the spring, if the tide goes out. LOL
Will be putting in 15 hour days for the next two months so I don;t have time for much.
15 hour days? Oh my goodness, be safe and don't over work yourself. You are not getting any younger...LOL Thanks for everything, and hope you will not be gone too long! May Jesus watch over you and keep you safe!

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488310 Feb 14, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
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like usual post from you is only worthy
FARTS
Did you know that an obsession with the scatological can be an early sign of schizophrenia? Ask your doctor.
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#488311 Feb 14, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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So tell us, what is the meaning of the following:
"Yahweh Sword Proclaims the Abba's Word to His Congregation Though His Son Yahshua haMashiach all to the honor and splendor of the Name of YHWH."
who is us?

absolute splendor infinte glories Light of Yahveh is not able to be turn off by atheistic scumbags like you,
only your life like is Dim each day lower and lower

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#488312 Feb 14, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. and, you're still my favorite married, Christian rogue ..
it's been like months since we've talked and you're going right for the jugular?:( you still hot, gurlfriend;)

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#488313 Feb 14, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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I understand it as Adam and Chava (the 'H' silent) and not Eve originally. I would also like to hear how islam views it.
Shalom Malakiym.
:)
Andrew (CS).
10-4... what's interesting is that it used to be the case that if some one called you and your wife Mr. and Mrs.(your first name)(your last name) that this would also have been acceptable?

God called "them" Adam... It has nothing to do with gay marriage at all but I thought that was interesting in lieu of the Mr & Mrs (male's first and last name). Adam actually named her Eve.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

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#488314 Feb 14, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. it's fanatic, prejudiced believers like C_S, Dr. Shrink & Trifecta that want free-thinkers like yourself, Catcher, Aero and Oscar to become invisible ..
.. sadly, they make it difficult for moral Christians to speak out because radical believers are schoolyard bullies who resort to unethical behavior. By turning the other cheek to avoid a confrontation, they encourage the likes of Dr. Shrink ..
.. if mankind wants a safer, better world, gays and atheists must clasp hands with moral believers who endorse human rights. We are not the enemy ..
.. we must encourage the moral believers to speak out against injustices. That's what Jesus would have done ..
my dear friend - Jesus didn't come to make bad people better; He came to make spiritually dead people alive!:)

"you must be born again" Jesus

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#488315 Feb 14, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Are slavery, genocide, ethnic cleansing, sexism, racism, rape, and incest sins?
Where does these things come from?

slaevery?- War
Ethnic cleansing?- War
Sexism?-The male ego.
Racism?- Unequal distribution of wealth
Rape?- A Crime
Incest?- Uncontrollable sexual desires.

Your point being?

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#488316 Feb 14, 2013
They were male and female in case anyone gets any other ideas.

“let's do this thang!”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#488317 Feb 14, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. it's fanatic, prejudiced believers like C_S, Dr. Shrink & Trifecta that want free-thinkers like yourself, Catcher, Aero and Oscar to become invisible ..
.. sadly, they make it difficult for moral Christians to speak out because radical believers are schoolyard bullies who resort to unethical behavior. By turning the other cheek to avoid a confrontation, they encourage the likes of Dr. Shrink ..
.. if mankind wants a safer, better world, gays and atheists must clasp hands with moral believers who endorse human rights. We are not the enemy ..
.. we must encourage the moral believers to speak out against injustices. That's what Jesus would have done ..
btw & for what it's worth - i do most always agree with you on a peace-keeping & strictly human-to-human level. you're truly a sweetheart even tho you get mad at me for saying so:)

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#488318 Feb 14, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Christians will still sin, but if they really trust Jesus they will do they best not to sin. instead of running to sin, they will try and avoid sin.
What is their motive to avoid sin? If you were given an unlimited credit card and were never responsible for the charges, why would you bother being thrifty?
An ex Christian obviously had religion, and not Jesus Christ.
Religions are always wrong, even Christianity is wrong. Jesus Christ is right.
How do you explain then all the people who honestly asked for Jesus to be their personal savior and got no reply?
Islam don't see needing to go through Jesus to get to Allah. But Jesus say no one can get to God except through Him. So the god muslims experience is not YHWH God, but Jesus enemy.
Just like the Catholics claim that one cannot go directly to Jesus, but rather through intermediaries like Mary. Why can't anyone go to God directly?
Jesus Christ is not beyond understanding. The bible put out a lot of God characteristics and attitudes. But the bible is only a tiny window. Humans will never fully understand a God that invent time itself and has no end or beginning.
So God is and is not beyond understanding? What?
In Buddhism it became irrational to me to think all things happen by chance.
The laws of physics aren't chance.

With all the discoveries of science it just seem more and more irrational to me that some gas explode into rocks then universe came and earth then fish turn into human''''that irrational to me. you can think that rational but that no make any sense to me.
So you accept a (specific) god which is beyond human understanding, but not a physical universe beyond human understanding?
Again, no need for trust and faith if the objective exist. Only objective you have is Jesus Christ the Gospels and what Jesus promised.
The gospels are not objective. They are just claims, like every other holy text of every other religion, past and present, and possibly future too.
You give Jesus a chance, then Jesus give you YHWH Spirit that he promise to those that believe. then you get closer to God daily.
And what if that doesn't happen?
That it. Jesus Christ is Trust and Faith. What you talking about is [objective trust and faith] which is an oxymoron. Maybe you never say objective faith and trust, but that what you looking for, and objective faith and trust is a fallacy.
No, you can have faith that is founded on objective evidence. In fact, that is how faith should be practiced in life IMHO. Otherwise, you can have faith in everything, and are easily led down a false path.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#488319 Feb 14, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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"And I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark and loathsome and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations" http://snipurl.com/26drodj
The point was that all it takes for religious bigotry to be established is for some old man that people trust to say that a god told him who was an abomination. If the Mormons reversed themselves, then they did better than the Protestants and Catholics.
Thanks for your response and the link... of course though the Mormons broke of with traditional mormonism and went mainstream, reversing course via that means. I think even so, back in the Joseph Smith Brigham Young days even if they reversed course regarding their doctrine about negros at that time they would still have a pedophile sex cult imho.(on the traditional side of mormonism that is.)

Speaking of Protestants and Catholics... same issues that pervades in all communities... not just in Christendom.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#488320 Feb 14, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
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you are wrong trifecta
those cyber trolls homsexuals, atheists and blasphemers insult God and His beloved children since Internet exist, they never changed
thir sins thye exchanged in their own abominable truths
God only can have mercy and help them
NOT YOU OR ME,USING BIBLIE AND DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THEM,
THEY ARE NOTHING,POS,JUST EARTHLY LOST LEFT BEHIND DUNG
THEIR PURPOSE IS TO COME HERA AND BLASPHEMY GOD, TO DRAW YOU OR OTEHR CHRISTIANS TO MAKE THEIR FRIENDS
THIS TOPIC IS TO DISCUSS WITH FELLOW SINGLE CHRISTIAN THEIR FAITH,
NOT TO LISTE THOSE F......ATHEISTS AND GAYS THEIR SEXUAL LOUD ORIENTATIONS AND DENYING OUR GOD FATHER OF ALL SOULS
THEY ARE WORTHY ONLY FARTS,AND SPEW AT THEM
IF NBDY WOULD DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THEM THIS TOPIC WOULD BE SAINT,HOLY ,AND PRECIUOS IN THE EYES OF GODS LOVE AND HIS SINGLE CHILDREN
TRIFECTA god take care their sins, not you not me,not anyone on this earth
LOOK AT THIS AIDS SICK POSTER G_O_D ACCUSING ALMIGHTY GOD THA HE ALLOW ADMA TO MAKE SEX WITH ANIMALS
HOW DARE PEOPLE LIKE YOU DISCUSS HOLY WORD WITH SUCH SCUMBAGS
LOOK AT OTHERS PROUD LOUD PROCALIMERS OF THEIR HOMSEXUAL PERVERSIONS,OR ATHEISM
ALL OF THEM IS JUST TRASH- FROM TRASH YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO MAKE PRECIOUS THING,TRASH ONLY IS TO BE BUNDLE AND BURN UP BY FLAMING FIRE 2 PETER 3;10
THANKS FOR RESPOND
have good blessed day my friend trifecta
Sinners sin Shrink.

why you shocked??

You know what Jesus did when people was blaspheming God and insults and accusations chat chat chat...

[father forgive them, because they know not what they do].

And Jesus never hold his tongue in calling them out.

What I saying is that no matter what they say, they is sinners. what they say should not surprise you. what? you expect sinners to see Jesus as me and you see Jesus? when they living they life in rebellion?

why you think they going to respect Jesus when they living in sin?

We supposed to challenge sinners Shrink. Throw they sin in they face and challenge them to the inch. But we not supposed to be surprise when sinners sin Shrink.

Just look at Jesus, Jesus never back down from sinners. But you no see Jesus shun them because they sinners. no shrink, that not the way.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#488321 Feb 14, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You are so insecure it hurts. Can't take criticism when you're dead wrong on something, so you attack.
Well, you are the one who made it personal. Keep that in mind.
Baby, unlike you I'm a professional anthropologist working in the field and contributing to science. Unlike you, I made it beyond my first degree and don't have to believe in a higher power to solve my personal problems with willpower.
I happen to believe Duane is a very intelligent, well-read and well studied man. He will dish out what he receives 3 fold and I can tell you, the same way you may think Christians see themselves as above others, likewise you shouldn't try that 'being above you' business with him.

I have listened to you, and on some scientific comments you seem to be spot on, and on others you're reaching. I am no scientist. my fields of study are broad and varied but it appears when you venture out of your comfort zone (science), you desperately struggle to make any sense.

You are not above learning no matter how accomplished you are or think you may be. We all learn and grow. Some choose not to learn and remain stagnant. You don't have to believe in a Higher Power, but he does believe in you. you can't see the wind but you can feel it and see its effects. We (many of us) just don't believe in a Higher Power, we experience Him, and many of us do so daily.

You should realize that not because you don't believe means something doesn't exist. If we understand anything about the concept of the Most High, then unless it is benificial to others as a witness and to provide you with testimony, he won't reveal Himself unto you. In fact, he will harden your heart so that you become blind within your spirit, so no matter if an Angel were to come down and tell you the mysteries of Heaven, you would still not believe.

Simply, you're too close minded and self absorbed to believe in anything outside of yourself and what you can experience, see, taste, smell, feel or hear directly or indirectly. I hope I have it wrong because I would not like to believe you are this predictable and one dimensional. I sense within you, Ms From-You, strangely enough, a beautiful person. If you would just open up your heart and give us all a glimpse of teh real you, then I'm sure, we would see a butterfly and not a caterpillar.

Counter_Strike.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#488322 Feb 14, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> No it ain't Quin! That there's just a cover! Really...it's because he ain't nothing but a houndog!
Now I bet'cha he outright admits it now too!LOL!
I think he once referred to himself as a sheep dog. Heee-eere Rover! LOL

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