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Great peace have they which love Thy law and nothing shall offend them. Psalms 119:165

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Tide with Beach wrote:
Why not say, "This seems to be inconsistent with what I have understood to be your position. Would you please clarify?"
It's so easy, even a... nevermind.
Skom has already done something similar, but it didn't help. I explained myself, then he paraphrases that explanation incorrectly, continues to make unsupported claims, casts more aspersions, and we're back to where we started. There's not much reason to expect that to improve.

I've told him how to handle the matter: Get my exact words and the link to them, and let's look at those words together. He disregards that, paraphrases again, and yadda yadda.
Tide with Beach wrote:
You seem to be operating on a fallacy called the false dichotomy. He didn't say your paraphrasing was the opposite of what he said. The unnecessary addition of "(but would require proof)" is probably what frustrated him.
What turned me against him was his unwillingness to cooperate - more faulty and unsupported paraphrasing - combined with personal slurs. I can't see how to interpret that more charitably than I have - he's a dimwit.

The only remaining issue is whether he should be told. I can't see why not. Why shelter him from corrective social pressure? It's instructive unless he refuses to benefit from it - that is, refuses to consider his choices.

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trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>again, so what?
people can have surgery today and man turn into woman and woman turn into man. so sexuality is already interchangeable.
if a man turn into a woman, then marry a man. if woman turn into man, then marry a woman. it that simple.
Bible no care about interchangeable man or woman, bible deplore same sex. if person no care about the bible, then have sex with who or whichever animal that person want to. but a christians should and must talk out against homosexuality, its an abominable sin.
What bible have to do with dinosaur? the bible not deny dinosaurs.
what you talking about writer?
Think about this. You explained to me prior how the Bible can be used to justify anything. Creationist use the Bible to deny the existence of the dinosaur’s all the time my friend. What if the Bible is simply being used to justify the demeaning of others? In other words, when is it O.K. to harm another by using the Bible?

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Skombolis wrote:
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You just don't want to address the issue do you?
It has nothing to do with advancing, it has to do with what is right for us and where we do or do not have a legal right to force others to live by our rules
If you simply don't care about the consequences of your vote and that it prevents people from having civil rights then I guess that is your choice. It just is surprising to me than a black man in America can be so blase about restricting civil rights for other people even though they did nothing illegal and are not held by the laws of Christianity.
I guess it is a good thing for you many Americans felt differently when it came to blacks or else organizations like the KKK would have made sure you never married or touched a ballot booth
I know you wouldn't be ok with another religion telling you what to do or your rights being restricted on it
Someone can't be lukewarm in regards to someone not in the faith for how they live their life. And nowhere does the bible give you permission to force its beliefs on others who aren't in the faith. If you find that verse please let me see it.
I honestly am trying to come off with an attitude but it is just amazing to me you see yourself as some sort of champion for Christianity in this case. Your actions aren't allowed by the bible, either by singling out a sin or by forcing your beliefs on others, and civilly it used to be you having his civil rights denied because some white Christians didn't like you. Now you are riding in the pickup truck. I just don't get it brother
JMO anyway
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Hey Bro... I only saw the top of your post but Lordwilling later on I can give a better reply... but as far as the not addressing issue part... to be honest, I don't feel like I'm in any duress. I believe I have the support of the Word of God concerning this matter.... but more later.

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O that thou hadst hearkened to My commandments then had thy peace been as a river and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea.Isaiah 48:18

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<quoted text>Hey bro... I'm just scanning through real quickly as I have to head out to work but I'll answer 2morrow Lordwilling or later on... should be a light day. As far as sexual purity goes... yes, I am in the will of God by being in holy matrimony. If I was in fornications (hetero) and then condemn fornications (homo) then I would in the wrong.
But porneia is correctly translated... it's one of those things that some find a loop-hole to so they can have an excuse to continue in their sin. More later Lordwilling...
Que

I am not asking simply as it pertains to marriage. If you are not sinning as far as your marriage goes then that is good but I am asking about your sins in general.

Are the sins you commit just as bad in the eyes of God as the sin of homosexuality?

Respectfully I think you know I am not asking you if God sees straight marriage the same as gay marriage. I just want to know if you feel the sin of homosexuality is worse than the sins you probably would admit to committing every day or at least still commit?

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I have no thoughts on Skom's sack needs.
I do.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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The only remaining issue is whether he should be told..
nah

The only remaining issue is that you are a liar

Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"

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"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."

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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>You're dealing in "what if's" and hypotheticals, If that person was meant to be anything other than what God intended for them to be than they would have been born as that, a man or a women, you can have a sex change from a man into a woman and vice versa but you are still what God intended for you to be and you will be judged by him as such.
You are not understanding what I am saying/asking. At this point I don't think you want to. My point was - what if God did create them just as they are. What then.

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The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;a good understanding have all they that do His commandments.Psalms 111:10

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@ Skom... what I'm trying to say is.. I really do not have an opinion regarding the gays, insurances, taxes, health and the like. Perhaps you are thinking that my back is up against the wall or something. But I don't look at fornications, gay marriage, bestiality and the sort like that... I look at fornications (homo, hetero bestial) as a sin... there's really no more I can say about it.

"How can one justify sin?"

I believe that is what I'm trying to say their in the sentence previous to this one..

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The Pope Quits !

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/p...

Must be sad for Catholics that their "living vessel of Christ" gave up.

It may be months before they have a new God.

I guess Satan will be acting as Church Leader until then... or maybe a real God will.

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Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Bro... I only saw the top of your post but Lordwilling later on I can give a better reply... but as far as the not addressing issue part... to be honest, I don't feel like I'm in any duress. I believe I have the support of the Word of God concerning this matter.... but more later.
I am not sure where you thought I was saying you are in duress

But if you feel you are Biblically justified in forcing unbelievers to live by our beliefs then when you get a chance can you please show me the verses that you base that on

I know for Christians homosexuality is a sin. The Bible also says dust off my sandals, don't judge hypocritically, and leave the punishments to God. So where does it say you are allowed to punish those outside the faith by restricting their rights because they don't adhere to the rules set by Christianity? If God supports you on this let me see where

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Skombolis wrote:
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I am also trying to keep this calm but I think you are missing the point. This has nothing to do with what you are saying. I am not trying to help gays get married but rather I know I don't have a right to prevent it either as a Christian or a citizen.
I am not denying the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Bible also says dust off your feet and leave the judging to God. We are allowed to keep those within the faith in line, not those outside of the faith. The Bible says if someone within the faith is engaging in sexual immorality we are to talk to them, then bring them before the church, then expel them if they don't listen. We have rules we are bound by and we are supposed to enforce those rules among believers. Can you tell me what verse(s) you are following that would give you the right to restrict civil rights on those outside the faith for not following the faith?
How are you dusting off your sandals when instead you are voting to force people outside the faith to live by our rules? Like I said, lukewarm would be arguing the church should have to perform gay marriages. Lukewarm is about one's faith. And how we live our faith is supposed to relate to ourselves and other believers.
The reason I asked about whether your sins are the same in God's eyes in because I am curious why some sinners should be allowed to marry and not others as it pertains to Christians. But that is a different subject. The subject here is where biblically do you feel you have the right to enforce our beliefs on unbelievers? Is there anything in the bible that would even remotely suggest that is allowed?
I do find it difficult to accept someone would be ok if the situation was reversed but again that is a separate issue. There are many issues that makes this hard for me to understand obviously. But for now I just am curious where you find justification of forcing our beliefs on unbelievers. And again, I have never claimed it isn't a sin, I have never claimed it should be allowed in the church. I think when it comes to those outside of the faith it is none of my business. Is there anything biblically to suggest it should be?
No.. I get your point. I don't think you are getting my point. I mean, once we agree that it is sin that should be the end of discussion concerning the Word. Not sure why you are saying that you are trying to keep it calm... I didn't see it as anything else. Smile.

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lil whispers wrote:
O that thou hadst hearkened to My commandments then had thy peace been as a river and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea.Isaiah 48:18
So if you don't obey all 613 commandemtns you will be up the creek without a paddle or dashed upon the rocks by the waves.

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Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Le le's father is the Devil.
And tragically she doesn't realize it.

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Hey Skombo.. everyone else...gotsta go. C ya'll l8ter Lordwilling... sending a Rev study:

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REVELATION Study

I. Rev 1:11 Part 12 (bridged with Rev 2:12)

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, PERGAMUM,

Rev 1______/TTTTTTTTTTTTT\______Re v 2

II. Jesus: "These are the words of Him who has THE SHARP, DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. I know where you live - where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.

Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols AND BY COMMITTING SEXUAL IMMORALITY . Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. " Rev 2:12-16

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1. Pergamum - First of all, Praise God. Now, Pergamum or Pergamos was also a church in Asia Minor (Present-day Turkey) that The Lord wanted John to send a letter to as you can see in Parts 1 and 2 above. The name Pergamum means "height" or "elevation". Despite the Lord's little bit o' praise to this church The Lord also alludes that satan had a foot-hold or stronghold there. Why? How? satan is lifted up by the sacrifice of idols because satan desires to be worshipped (I Cor 10:20). The fallen angel even had the nerve and audacity to ask The Lord Jesus to worship it when Jesus was fasting those 40 days in the wilderness! But it is not only lifted up in height or eleveation because of it's own pride by the worship of idols (worship to anything other than God).. but satan's subjects (his unsuspecting followers) also observed sexual immorality and... and... and... was spreading this gross doctrine within the church.

We've been talking about sexual immorality for the past few days and yes... it is "fornications." Some will never understand the spiritual side of this and are on some type of Robin Hood crusade that is heading towards perdition. But beastiality, unmarried hetero and homosexual sex ----> These acts are satanic and those who commit this evil... and help the advancement and cause of them are actually helping the worship of the spiritual force known as satan.

Height and Elevation... just as satan is lifted up in the air through the worship of ignorant men. It's shameless heart is overfilled with pride and some manifest satan's will and desires through their own actions. This prideful angel has people mirroring acts in rebellion towards the Holy One. God created marriage to be a holy covenant. Other than that it is sexual immorality and is unholy....no excuse... no waivers from the True God. But you will get a "permission-granted" from the devil himself without even knowing it. If sex is outside the will of God... then you are lifting up satan's prideful self to greater heights.

2. Sharp double edged sword - Symbolically this is referencing the Word of God here. Here is a cross-reference in Hebrews 4:12:

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

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NoStress4me wrote:
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You are not understanding what I am saying/asking. At this point I don't think you want to. My point was - what if God did create them just as they are. What then.
I believe it is you who are not understanding, God did create them as they are, a man and a woman, but they picked up that damnable spirit sometime after they were born.

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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>I have already stated my beliefs on this subject, under the constitution they have the right to marry whom they will of the opposite sex, not the same sex.
You might want to read the US Constitution...

The US Constitution does not define marriage. That has been left up to the states. When same-sex marriages came to the forefront many states...especially conservative states scurried to amend their state constitutions to define marriage between man and woman.

Less than 50 years ago the 14th Amendment was used in a Virginia law suit to over-rule the discrimination of blacks not being able to legally marry someone outside their race. This same amendment is being used by some as a basis to over throw the ban on same sex marriages.

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