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#486910 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Bro... I only saw the top of your post but Lordwilling later on I can give a better reply... but as far as the not addressing issue part... to be honest, I don't feel like I'm in any duress. I believe I have the support of the Word of God concerning this matter.... but more later.
I am not sure where you thought I was saying you are in duress

But if you feel you are Biblically justified in forcing unbelievers to live by our beliefs then when you get a chance can you please show me the verses that you base that on

I know for Christians homosexuality is a sin. The Bible also says dust off my sandals, don't judge hypocritically, and leave the punishments to God. So where does it say you are allowed to punish those outside the faith by restricting their rights because they don't adhere to the rules set by Christianity? If God supports you on this let me see where

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#486911 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I am also trying to keep this calm but I think you are missing the point. This has nothing to do with what you are saying. I am not trying to help gays get married but rather I know I don't have a right to prevent it either as a Christian or a citizen.
I am not denying the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Bible also says dust off your feet and leave the judging to God. We are allowed to keep those within the faith in line, not those outside of the faith. The Bible says if someone within the faith is engaging in sexual immorality we are to talk to them, then bring them before the church, then expel them if they don't listen. We have rules we are bound by and we are supposed to enforce those rules among believers. Can you tell me what verse(s) you are following that would give you the right to restrict civil rights on those outside the faith for not following the faith?
How are you dusting off your sandals when instead you are voting to force people outside the faith to live by our rules? Like I said, lukewarm would be arguing the church should have to perform gay marriages. Lukewarm is about one's faith. And how we live our faith is supposed to relate to ourselves and other believers.
The reason I asked about whether your sins are the same in God's eyes in because I am curious why some sinners should be allowed to marry and not others as it pertains to Christians. But that is a different subject. The subject here is where biblically do you feel you have the right to enforce our beliefs on unbelievers? Is there anything in the bible that would even remotely suggest that is allowed?
I do find it difficult to accept someone would be ok if the situation was reversed but again that is a separate issue. There are many issues that makes this hard for me to understand obviously. But for now I just am curious where you find justification of forcing our beliefs on unbelievers. And again, I have never claimed it isn't a sin, I have never claimed it should be allowed in the church. I think when it comes to those outside of the faith it is none of my business. Is there anything biblically to suggest it should be?
No.. I get your point. I don't think you are getting my point. I mean, once we agree that it is sin that should be the end of discussion concerning the Word. Not sure why you are saying that you are trying to keep it calm... I didn't see it as anything else. Smile.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486912 Feb 11, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
O that thou hadst hearkened to My commandments then had thy peace been as a river and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea.Isaiah 48:18
So if you don't obey all 613 commandemtns you will be up the creek without a paddle or dashed upon the rocks by the waves.

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#486913 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Le le's father is the Devil.
And tragically she doesn't realize it.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#486914 Feb 11, 2013
Hey Skombo.. everyone else...gotsta go. C ya'll l8ter Lordwilling... sending a Rev study:

:)

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Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#486915 Feb 11, 2013
REVELATION Study

I. Rev 1:11 Part 12 (bridged with Rev 2:12)

"Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, PERGAMUM,

Rev 1______/TTTTTTTTTTTTT\______Re v 2

II. Jesus: "These are the words of Him who has THE SHARP, DOUBLE-EDGED SWORD. I know where you live - where Satan has his throne. Yet you remain true to my name. You did not renounce your faith in me, even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was put to death in your city—where Satan lives.

Nevertheless, I have a few things against you: You have people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin by eating food sacrificed to idols AND BY COMMITTING SEXUAL IMMORALITY . Likewise you also have those who hold to the teaching of the Nicolaitans. Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. " Rev 2:12-16

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1. Pergamum - First of all, Praise God. Now, Pergamum or Pergamos was also a church in Asia Minor (Present-day Turkey) that The Lord wanted John to send a letter to as you can see in Parts 1 and 2 above. The name Pergamum means "height" or "elevation". Despite the Lord's little bit o' praise to this church The Lord also alludes that satan had a foot-hold or stronghold there. Why? How? satan is lifted up by the sacrifice of idols because satan desires to be worshipped (I Cor 10:20). The fallen angel even had the nerve and audacity to ask The Lord Jesus to worship it when Jesus was fasting those 40 days in the wilderness! But it is not only lifted up in height or eleveation because of it's own pride by the worship of idols (worship to anything other than God).. but satan's subjects (his unsuspecting followers) also observed sexual immorality and... and... and... was spreading this gross doctrine within the church.

We've been talking about sexual immorality for the past few days and yes... it is "fornications." Some will never understand the spiritual side of this and are on some type of Robin Hood crusade that is heading towards perdition. But beastiality, unmarried hetero and homosexual sex ----> These acts are satanic and those who commit this evil... and help the advancement and cause of them are actually helping the worship of the spiritual force known as satan.

Height and Elevation... just as satan is lifted up in the air through the worship of ignorant men. It's shameless heart is overfilled with pride and some manifest satan's will and desires through their own actions. This prideful angel has people mirroring acts in rebellion towards the Holy One. God created marriage to be a holy covenant. Other than that it is sexual immorality and is unholy....no excuse... no waivers from the True God. But you will get a "permission-granted" from the devil himself without even knowing it. If sex is outside the will of God... then you are lifting up satan's prideful self to greater heights.

2. Sharp double edged sword - Symbolically this is referencing the Word of God here. Here is a cross-reference in Hebrews 4:12:

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

“Jesus is coming soon”

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#486916 Feb 11, 2013
NoStress4me wrote:
<quoted text>
You are not understanding what I am saying/asking. At this point I don't think you want to. My point was - what if God did create them just as they are. What then.
I believe it is you who are not understanding, God did create them as they are, a man and a woman, but they picked up that damnable spirit sometime after they were born.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#486918 Feb 11, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>I have already stated my beliefs on this subject, under the constitution they have the right to marry whom they will of the opposite sex, not the same sex.
You might want to read the US Constitution...

The US Constitution does not define marriage. That has been left up to the states. When same-sex marriages came to the forefront many states...especially conservative states scurried to amend their state constitutions to define marriage between man and woman.

Less than 50 years ago the 14th Amendment was used in a Virginia law suit to over-rule the discrimination of blacks not being able to legally marry someone outside their race. This same amendment is being used by some as a basis to over throw the ban on same sex marriages.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#486919 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Que
I am not asking simply as it pertains to marriage. If you are not sinning as far as your marriage goes then that is good but I am asking about your sins in general.
Are the sins you commit just as bad in the eyes of God as the sin of homosexuality?
Respectfully I think you know I am not asking you if God sees straight marriage the same as gay marriage. I just want to know if you feel the sin of homosexuality is worse than the sins you probably would admit to committing every day or at least still commit?
Just saw this... yes sir. If I sin it is gross to God. If I continue in that unrepentant sin, that is. However, if I repent then the slate is wiped clean through the Blood of
Christ. Those who are in gay relationships are obviously continuing in unrepentant sin... if they repent however and come to Christ then that slate would be wiped clean also through Christ's Blood... but other than that it is sinful behavior and helping a person to commit sin is pretty much aiding and abetting.

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#486920 Feb 11, 2013
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly nor standeth in the way of sinners nor sitteth in seat of the scornful.But his delight is in the law of the Lord and in His law doeth he meditate day and night.Psalms 1:1&2

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#486921 Feb 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
For starters, it's correct. Christian doctrine requires only that you repent and ask for forgiveness, not that you make restitution or apologize to your victim.
Second, how is that a blanket statement? Are you turning it into a statement about Christians again? This is why we call you Dim. It was a comment about an idea - a doctrine - not about people.
<quoted text>
See, Juicy? It's Dim doing the whining about Christians and their hearts. I've only referred to a doctrine that permits cheap self-forgiveness.
<quoted text>
You are unbelievably dense. The broad brush is in your head. Where did I say that all Christians feel that way? I didn't. You said I did, and then impugned my character for it.
Sorry, Dim, but it's been explained to you repeatedly. Are you stupid or malicious? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by calling you Dim.
<quoted text>
And that is why you are known as Dim.
You are a liar and not very bright. You say Christians don't need to feel about about who they hurt or don't need to make amends because they can ask the sky for forgiveness and you don't see where that is a broad-brush?

Plus your lies are now contradicting themselves. NOW you are trying to pretend you were just explaining doctrine. Yet you said earlier than when you were a Christian you never felt receiving forgiveness meant you didn't have to feel bad or make amends.

You have no proof anybody does this and you never did this yourself. But you wanted to give the impression Christians don't care about hurting others so long as they can be forgiven. And now that it exposed your bigotry you are trying to backpedal and use technicalities

The statement was meant as a slam. You are a liar and a bigot and people can see it

End of story

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486922 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
...."How can one justify sin?"....
How can one define it ?

I have yet to see a list that all Christians agree on. Even the Ten Commandments are interpreted differently and Jesus' commandmetns to "Love" are punched full of loopholes.

It is sad that so many Christians have nothing to do in their lives but bitch about who other people are fucking.

Worry about who is in your own bed. Others can choose to "go to Hell" if they want. It is none of your business.

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#486923 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Hey Skombo.. everyone else...gotsta go. C ya'll l8ter Lordwilling... sending a Rev study:
:)
Have a good one

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486924 Feb 11, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>....God did create them as they are...
Genesis is a pack of lies ?

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#486925 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>No.. I get your point. I don't think you are getting my point. I mean, once we agree that it is sin that should be the end of discussion concerning the Word. Not sure why you are saying that you are trying to keep it calm... I didn't see it as anything else. Smile.
Well I don't know if my posts were coming off as something less than calm. I am glad they are not as I am not intending them to be anything but calm

I agree it is the end of the discussion as far as Christians

I simply don't think it is any of our business in regards to others and I think the Bible says that too

(T) Peace

“Are you a Problem or Solution?”

Since: Mar 09

Ann Arbor, MI

#486926 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess we would have to consider the implications at that time
But is there any reason you have to think that would be the case?
You know I like you NS so this isn't asked in a challenging way but did you ever decide to be "straight"? Did you weigh the pros and cons, look at what your friends were doing, decide what would be the best societal move for you and then decided you would be straight or did one day you simply realize you were attracted to the opposite sex?
And if the latter, why would you think it is different for those attracted to the same sex?
I am simply curious
(T) Peace
I am not taking your post as a challenge. To be honest I am merely frustrated by the fact that while some choose to use the Bible to dictate how another should live, they will not look deep into issues that cause them to demean others. In my mind this is not simply about someone’s sexuality, but how someone chooses to use what they personally believe against others.

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#486927 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Just saw this... yes sir. If I sin it is gross to God. If I continue in that unrepentant sin, that is. However, if I repent then the slate is wiped clean through the Blood of
Christ. Those who are in gay relationships are obviously continuing in unrepentant sin... if they repent however and come to Christ then that slate would be wiped clean also through Christ's Blood... but other than that it is sinful behavior and helping a person to commit sin is pretty much aiding and abetting.
I don't see not forcing my beliefs on others as helping them

A vote to me is saying, do you want to force your beliefs on others and I don't think I have that right

But as far as sinning, the bible says we are no longer controlled by our sinful natures, our new creations in Christ, have been given a way out of every temptation, and should not sin any longer once we believe.

So my question is, how can we not only expect people who haven't had the benefit of all the above to stop sinning when we don't, but how do we take it one step further and restrict their rights for sinning when they aren't even Christians yet we do nothing to restrict the rights of Christians who continue to commit sins that aren't illegal?

How is that not the most hypocritical type of judging there is?

(T) Peace

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#486928 Feb 11, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
for past two months,I sleep, wake up,fart in them,and sometimes dry stains create protective umbrella from any cold weather flowing between two balls,
Thank you for sharing again.

It's always traumatic to take even a brief trip through your mind. I usually feel like I need a shower afterwards, or at least to wash my hair. You live in there all day. I'll bet that's quite a ride.

Dr. SHRINK visits his doctor

Dr. SHRINK : Herr doctor - pleasing to be helping me. Having bowel movement every morning, seven AM.

MD: What's the problem, Latke? Most people would love to be that regular.

Dr. SHRINK : You not to understood, doctor. I don't get up until eight!

Since: Oct 12

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#486929 Feb 11, 2013
What is sin.
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law:For all sin is the transgression of the law.
1 John 3&4

In what condition are all men.

For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.Romans 3:23

By what are all men proved guilty.

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law:that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may become guilty before God.Romans 3:19
dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#486930 Feb 11, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis is a pack of lies ?
you too not only pack of lies
but also 10 buckets of human s...

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