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#486888 Feb 11, 2013
For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh,God sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,condemned sin in the flesh:that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit.Romans 8:3&4

For this is the Love of God that we keep His commandments:and His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3

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#486889 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
They don't understand the difference between one person speaking up on a post they don't agree with compared to going around as a group room to room and responding to every post in every exchange as a group. But, they don't understand a lot of things. I am finding it is better to just wave politely and nod while making sure you are still walking:)
Actually, I appreciate the fact that IAN reveals his purpose and ambitions towards the church. But the powers (or gates) of hell will not overcome it... satan will use whoever he can... all he needs a hairline crack in that armor... and that hairline crack could run deep unfortunately. JMBO

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#486890 Feb 11, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
I am the vine,ye are the branches:He that abiteth in Me and I in him the same bringeth forth much fruit:For without Me ye can do nothing.John 15:5
Jesus unionizing orchard workers.

ROFLMAO

I am begining to see "John" in a new light... a dim one.

Can you say "obfucation" ?

Reminds me of the babbling of the Oracle at Delphi.

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#486891 Feb 11, 2013
Blessed are the undefiled in the way who walk in the law of the Lord.Psalms 119:1

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#486892 Feb 11, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
The carnal mind is enmity against God:for it is not subject to the law of God neither indeed can be.Romans 8:7
[[[[[neither indeed can be..

I wonder how different the billboard would be if all believers and non believers understood this verse you just write?

all peace and love I think. because if the Christian understand this verse, they no have any reason at all to get upset or angry with the unbeliever.

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#486894 Feb 11, 2013
Moreover by them is Thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.Psalms 19:11

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#486895 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
You would be ok with another religion setting the rules for you on whether or not you can get married?
Well...alrighty then
That's one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard but I will take you at your word. For me, I would not be ok with another religion that I didn't belong to or subscribe to being able to restrict my civil rights if I didn't adhere to their teachings. Different strokes I guess
There is a scripture where the Lord told the Israelites to subject themselves to the invading Persion king... don't remember if it was Xerxes or another... but when they rebelled against God's wishes they were destroyed. It's been a long time since I looked at it. But he raised the surrounding nations to subdue them because of their rebellious acts towards Him. God cares but He doesn't care what the surrounding nations think if He is humbling His own people because His chastisement is more beneficial than the temporary mockings of others. God dealt with their enemies later anyways. Jesus even entered into the scene where His People were subjected to the Roman powers... History merely repeats itself.

God will always make a way of escape for his people...

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#486896 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know what else to tell you bro... I'm posting as calm and peaceful about the whole thing. I guess if you believe the bible doesn't say such then who am I to tell you that it doesn't when it clearly does?
If a Christian had come up to another Christian and said to the other Christian, "God told me to kill the jews" when the scriptures says otherwise and the Christian explains it to the other as clear as day... but the other Christian shrugs and still insists on what God told them to do... how can one argue or convince such a person otherwise? They are hell-bent on what they want to do anyways even if you show them that they are wrong.
Extremely different scenario but the principle somewhat applies here. I guess I'm not feeling as passionate as you about the sin of homosexuality and helping gays to get married to each other.
I don't know what else to tell you.
I am also trying to keep this calm but I think you are missing the point. This has nothing to do with what you are saying. I am not trying to help gays get married but rather I know I don't have a right to prevent it either as a Christian or a citizen.

I am not denying the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The Bible also says dust off your feet and leave the judging to God. We are allowed to keep those within the faith in line, not those outside of the faith. The Bible says if someone within the faith is engaging in sexual immorality we are to talk to them, then bring them before the church, then expel them if they don't listen. We have rules we are bound by and we are supposed to enforce those rules among believers. Can you tell me what verse(s) you are following that would give you the right to restrict civil rights on those outside the faith for not following the faith?

How are you dusting off your sandals when instead you are voting to force people outside the faith to live by our rules? Like I said, lukewarm would be arguing the church should have to perform gay marriages. Lukewarm is about one's faith. And how we live our faith is supposed to relate to ourselves and other believers.

The reason I asked about whether your sins are the same in God's eyes in because I am curious why some sinners should be allowed to marry and not others as it pertains to Christians. But that is a different subject. The subject here is where biblically do you feel you have the right to enforce our beliefs on unbelievers? Is there anything in the bible that would even remotely suggest that is allowed?

I do find it difficult to accept someone would be ok if the situation was reversed but again that is a separate issue. There are many issues that makes this hard for me to understand obviously. But for now I just am curious where you find justification of forcing our beliefs on unbelievers. And again, I have never claimed it isn't a sin, I have never claimed it should be allowed in the church. I think when it comes to those outside of the faith it is none of my business. Is there anything biblically to suggest it should be?

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#486897 Feb 11, 2013
Great peace have they which love Thy law and nothing shall offend them. Psalms 119:165

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#486898 Feb 11, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
Why not say, "This seems to be inconsistent with what I have understood to be your position. Would you please clarify?"
It's so easy, even a... nevermind.
Skom has already done something similar, but it didn't help. I explained myself, then he paraphrases that explanation incorrectly, continues to make unsupported claims, casts more aspersions, and we're back to where we started. There's not much reason to expect that to improve.

I've told him how to handle the matter: Get my exact words and the link to them, and let's look at those words together. He disregards that, paraphrases again, and yadda yadda.
Tide with Beach wrote:
You seem to be operating on a fallacy called the false dichotomy. He didn't say your paraphrasing was the opposite of what he said. The unnecessary addition of "(but would require proof)" is probably what frustrated him.
What turned me against him was his unwillingness to cooperate - more faulty and unsupported paraphrasing - combined with personal slurs. I can't see how to interpret that more charitably than I have - he's a dimwit.

The only remaining issue is whether he should be told. I can't see why not. Why shelter him from corrective social pressure? It's instructive unless he refuses to benefit from it - that is, refuses to consider his choices.

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#486899 Feb 11, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>again, so what?
people can have surgery today and man turn into woman and woman turn into man. so sexuality is already interchangeable.
if a man turn into a woman, then marry a man. if woman turn into man, then marry a woman. it that simple.
Bible no care about interchangeable man or woman, bible deplore same sex. if person no care about the bible, then have sex with who or whichever animal that person want to. but a christians should and must talk out against homosexuality, its an abominable sin.
What bible have to do with dinosaur? the bible not deny dinosaurs.
what you talking about writer?
Think about this. You explained to me prior how the Bible can be used to justify anything. Creationist use the Bible to deny the existence of the dinosaurís all the time my friend. What if the Bible is simply being used to justify the demeaning of others? In other words, when is it O.K. to harm another by using the Bible?

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#486900 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
You just don't want to address the issue do you?
It has nothing to do with advancing, it has to do with what is right for us and where we do or do not have a legal right to force others to live by our rules
If you simply don't care about the consequences of your vote and that it prevents people from having civil rights then I guess that is your choice. It just is surprising to me than a black man in America can be so blase about restricting civil rights for other people even though they did nothing illegal and are not held by the laws of Christianity.
I guess it is a good thing for you many Americans felt differently when it came to blacks or else organizations like the KKK would have made sure you never married or touched a ballot booth
I know you wouldn't be ok with another religion telling you what to do or your rights being restricted on it
Someone can't be lukewarm in regards to someone not in the faith for how they live their life. And nowhere does the bible give you permission to force its beliefs on others who aren't in the faith. If you find that verse please let me see it.
I honestly am trying to come off with an attitude but it is just amazing to me you see yourself as some sort of champion for Christianity in this case. Your actions aren't allowed by the bible, either by singling out a sin or by forcing your beliefs on others, and civilly it used to be you having his civil rights denied because some white Christians didn't like you. Now you are riding in the pickup truck. I just don't get it brother
JMO anyway
(T) Peace
Hey Bro... I only saw the top of your post but Lordwilling later on I can give a better reply... but as far as the not addressing issue part... to be honest, I don't feel like I'm in any duress. I believe I have the support of the Word of God concerning this matter.... but more later.

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#486901 Feb 11, 2013
O that thou hadst hearkened to My commandments then had thy peace been as a river and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea.Isaiah 48:18

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#486902 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Hey bro... I'm just scanning through real quickly as I have to head out to work but I'll answer 2morrow Lordwilling or later on... should be a light day. As far as sexual purity goes... yes, I am in the will of God by being in holy matrimony. If I was in fornications (hetero) and then condemn fornications (homo) then I would in the wrong.
But porneia is correctly translated... it's one of those things that some find a loop-hole to so they can have an excuse to continue in their sin. More later Lordwilling...
Que

I am not asking simply as it pertains to marriage. If you are not sinning as far as your marriage goes then that is good but I am asking about your sins in general.

Are the sins you commit just as bad in the eyes of God as the sin of homosexuality?

Respectfully I think you know I am not asking you if God sees straight marriage the same as gay marriage. I just want to know if you feel the sin of homosexuality is worse than the sins you probably would admit to committing every day or at least still commit?

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#486903 Feb 11, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
I have no thoughts on Skom's sack needs.
I do.

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#486904 Feb 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>

The only remaining issue is whether he should be told..
nah

The only remaining issue is that you are a liar

Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"

IANS responded
"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."

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#486905 Feb 11, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>You're dealing in "what if's" and hypotheticals, If that person was meant to be anything other than what God intended for them to be than they would have been born as that, a man or a women, you can have a sex change from a man into a woman and vice versa but you are still what God intended for you to be and you will be judged by him as such.
You are not understanding what I am saying/asking. At this point I don't think you want to. My point was - what if God did create them just as they are. What then.

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#486906 Feb 11, 2013
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom;a good understanding have all they that do His commandments.Psalms 111:10

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#486907 Feb 11, 2013
@ Skom... what I'm trying to say is.. I really do not have an opinion regarding the gays, insurances, taxes, health and the like. Perhaps you are thinking that my back is up against the wall or something. But I don't look at fornications, gay marriage, bestiality and the sort like that... I look at fornications (homo, hetero bestial) as a sin... there's really no more I can say about it.

"How can one justify sin?"

I believe that is what I'm trying to say their in the sentence previous to this one..

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#486908 Feb 11, 2013
The Pope Quits !

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/11/p...

Must be sad for Catholics that their "living vessel of Christ" gave up.

It may be months before they have a new God.

I guess Satan will be acting as Church Leader until then... or maybe a real God will.

ROFLMAO

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