Why Should Jesus Love Me?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#486753 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>It was this article below. You may disagree with his assessments but please check it out and I would like to know your thoughts on this without any critical response from me. Just curious your thoughts on that.
http://www.theoakinitiative.org/turek-who-are...
And I must apologize to you in what you had to endure with Le le because of me. It's that fatal attraction/jealous/obsession thing with a topix plot twist... did u see the movie Fatal Attraction? Everything 'cept for the smooching part and the final situation at the end of the movie.
I like the part when he was driving through the tunnel and checked his voicemail... it was her. I'm just messin' a little bit but on the serious side, the obsession part is real. That is what it feels like looking at from this side of the computer screen anyways...
LOL...good movie. Yeah, seems like a very odd way to behave, each to their own I suppose. You certainly don't need to apologise for anything. Yes I did write that comment about people taking the Bible so literally btw, I just meant that parts are parables and parts are not literal in meaning, eg; Genesis. Not understanding the Bible sure seems to infuriate some people. Ok, I'll read the article and let you know tomorrow. I'll re read Matthew as well. I must try to sleep. Blessings Qu <3

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#486754 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Even if you have not personally spoke to someone in the faith who has called homosexuals things as less than human are you really saying you aren't aware things like that are said? If that is the case I might suggest a Google search
A Christian supporting gay marriage isn't lukewarm. He simply isn't a hypocrite and he also is an American citizen who understands we can't attach civil rights to something in a secular society and then deny it to some based on religious reasons
If marriage can be denied because of what the Bible says then we would have to live in a theocracy and we do not
I will ask again, would you want your ability to get legally married as a United States citizen and be entitled to the rights that comes with that (tax benefits, legal benefits, citizenship, insurance benefits, medical decision, etc) have to be contingent on being in compliance with what some other religion says is needed even if nothing you have done is illegal?
Yes or no?
Being lukewarm would be saying the church should have to marry people who are gay
I simply understand the difference between a theocracy and a democracy and want to see it stay that way
Concerning this particular subject, I don't have an opinion either way regarding the tax benefits and all of that for gay couples. What I do know from the scriptures is that homosexuality is sinful and God is against that. Because the homosexuals want to extend that sin into marriage it would make a mockery of the holy marriage sacrament which God has ordained. As a Christian I would rather defend traditional marriage than to lend support to something sinful as gay marriage no matter the excuse which I believe will be a bastardization of the marriage sacrament. That is why I vote against gay marriages at the voting booth.

Concerning lukewarmness, yes... I believe a Christian who helps to advance the cause of any type of fornications is in rebellion in that particular subject area..

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#486755 Feb 11, 2013
Edit: "is in rebellion against God in that particular subject area.."

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#486756 Feb 11, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL...good movie. Yeah, seems like a very odd way to behave, each to their own I suppose. You certainly don't need to apologise for anything. Yes I did write that comment about people taking the Bible so literally btw, I just meant that parts are parables and parts are not literal in meaning, eg; Genesis. Not understanding the Bible sure seems to infuriate some people. Ok, I'll read the article and let you know tomorrow. I'll re read Matthew as well. I must try to sleep. Blessings Qu <3
Thanks in advance for your assessment on it. Have a peaceful rest...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486757 Feb 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yes, I am familiar with Campbell. And yes, he is a great speaker. I was listening to him when I was listening to Alan Watts and Terrence McKenna, in the late eighties - formative years. I lived in Southern California at the time, and we had a great radio station, WPFK, that featured such material regularly. Campbell was a gentle and affable man with a great heart. Thanks for thinking of me.
I was going to recommend Alan to you next. <smile>

Great stuff.

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#486758 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Q
All due respect i know you understand the point. But if you want me to be less literal I will
Would you be ok with any other religion setting the rules for marriage for you even if you broke no laws and are not part of that religion and now you are denied rights because of it?
yes or no?
And if no, which I assume would be the answer for everybody, why do you support us doing it to others?
I did answer honestly intially... but just to answer again on a sub-level... Yes.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486759 Feb 11, 2013
Senecus wrote:
<quoted text>
.....
First, you must remember one does have two Biblical grounds for a divorce : adultery and desertion....
Could you clarify the desertion part for me ?

Thanks.

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#486760 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Edit Q
Sorry I forgot the one I gave depends on which translation. Some have even said in Galatians in refers to male prostitues in the original Greek word. I should have used
Romans 1:26-27
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Homosexuality is not mentioned by Jesus or found anywhere in the gospels int he NT but is mentioned a couple of times by Paul
But I am not saying it isn't considered a sin. I am simply trying to provide context that all sins of the flesh are equal which Galatians shows
Yes... Jesus did mention homosexuality in his own language and the word 'porneia" is all inclusive. You probaly already know this as I have stated it before on here or perhaps you already knew... but English is a very new language when compared to the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic so that is what I meant by the language conflict in my previous post.. we usually think about it a western civilization sense when that culture was different.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#486761 Feb 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What evidence is there that an omnipotent and omniscient god exists and hates childhood disease? There is plenty to the contrary.
Faith lets you pick whatever you'd like to believe and call it truth.
I am not in agreement with Epi, I just wanted to know what she thought.

I am of the mind that 'God' created diseases and cancers etc. and has no emotional attatchments to the higher primates at all.
UIDIOTRACEMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#486762 Feb 11, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
*~*~*~*~*~
Peace....Love....
and
Brotherhood...
*~*~*~*~*~
LOL! You our if true /pure Christians who stand for love and peace(?) need to do something to save nation - it is ruining our US because of US Right wING cHRISTAINs Wars on other countries. So, any thing to say?

FYI!

This Is What our US right wing Christian nation stand for

US iNTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES & CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY -

UNITED STATES WAR & INTERVENTIONS
MILITARY INTERVENTIONS, COVERT OPERATIONS, COUPS AND ATTEMPTED COUPS, ELECTION INTERFERENCE, REGIME CHANGE, COLOR REVOLUTIONS
Hiroshima and Nagasaki (Japan), Philippines, South Korea, Lebanon, Iran, Guatemala, Cuba, Congo/Zaire, Brazil,
Greece, Poland, Turkey, Dominican Republic, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Indonesia, Chile, Angola, East TImor, Nicaragua,
Grenada, Panama, Kyrgyzstan, Haiti, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine, Argentina, Ghana, Venezuela, Bolivia, Hondoras,
Paraguay, Mexico, El Salvador, Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Somalia, Pakistan, Yemen, Tunesia, Egypt, Libya, Syria,...

"If Nuremberg were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged."
Noam Chomsky

Above is just tip of iceberg of US evils as Christian nation, not include are US wars since the inception of a US militaristic US imperialistic Empire !

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486763 Feb 11, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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That's not true. What evidence do you have that God doesn't exist? There isn't any evidence either way. Why be angry with those who have faith?
Why are Chrisitans angry with those who don't have their same beliefs ?

It's a two way street, JLu.

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#486765 Feb 11, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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This has nothing to do with being PC or winning a debate for the sake of winning it. These are people's lives being affected Q and rights being denied. This isn't like the use of an improper term. All due respect brother please don't trivialize my opinions by reducing them to nothing more than trying to be politically correct. I find it morally offensive for a society to withhold rights based on something that is legal because a particular religion says it is wrong and find that a dangerous precedent
Now does the Bible condemn homosexuality? Well it is mentioned one time in the NT by Paul under a list of sins of the flesh. It doesn't condemn it any more than..
Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions, envy, drunkenness, orgies, and things like these. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
..but I have never said it isn't considered a sin. So are 667 other sins.
Are any sins you commit less offensive in God's eyes in your opinion? And if not, how does someone who probably will admit to sinning every day target one particular sin (one he knows he will never commit because he has no interest to) instead of viewing all sins as equal?
Should anyone who lies be able to get married? What about someone who has already had a divorce? What about someone marrying for money like on a show "Who wants to Marry a Millionaire"?
Where is the sanctity of marriage in this country?
Someone could have said at one point legal marriage has always been between a white man and a white woman and allowing black people to marry is destroying the institution of marriage. Being black isn't illegal. Being gay isn't illegal. But some groups find being black to be an abomination and consider blacks to be animals. Why should the KKK not being to deny marriage based on race but Christianity should be able to deny it based on sin?
If this was a theocracy I might agree. Not in a secular democracy.
My argument isn't whether the bible says it is a sin. My argument is what does that have to do with someone's legal right to get married? What is a "sin" is for Christians. We can't force that on anyone just like we wouldn't want Muslims forcing Sharia law on us.
Homosexuality is not illegal. That should be the end of the conversation imo. Especially when civil rights are involved to the secular legal act of getting married. The church doesn't have to marry two people before God in a spiritual sense but society has no right to deny it imo
I don't know what else to tell you bro... I'm posting as calm and peaceful about the whole thing. I guess if you believe the bible doesn't say such then who am I to tell you that it doesn't when it clearly does?

If a Christian had come up to another Christian and said to the other Christian, "God told me to kill the jews" when the scriptures says otherwise and the Christian explains it to the other as clear as day... but the other Christian shrugs and still insists on what God told them to do... how can one argue or convince such a person otherwise? They are hell-bent on what they want to do anyways even if you show them that they are wrong.

Extremely different scenario but the principle somewhat applies here. I guess I'm not feeling as passionate as you about the sin of homosexuality and helping gays to get married to each other.

I don't know what else to tell you.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486766 Feb 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
... but Paul wasn't one of the original twelve....
That is correct.

Paul declared himself an Apostle, was involved in the murder of at least one of the real apostles, claimed authority over what was left of the original 12, declared that his gospel (whatever that was) was the only one to believe in, claimed to be above "an Angel from God" and implied he was at least equal to , if not greater, than Jesus.

All the above is in the Bible.
mike

AOL

#486767 Feb 11, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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If I send someone roses does that imply that they couldnot obtain them on thir own or that I grew themmyself ?
Sometimes you make good points, Mike. Sometimes you read too much into things.
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Freud
Thanks

If you sent someone roses and they have a "rose garden", there is no reason for you to expect a "thank you".

Sometimes an "effort" isn't an "effort" at all.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

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#486768 Feb 11, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
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I shared the story last week of my cousin who was gay.....I am not covering up hatred because I really LOVED my cousin (he was like my Brother)....but as a Christian I know God has words against the gay lifestyle. I trust Gods word...I still LOVE my cousin.
I also had a favorite cousin who was gay... it's been so long ago that I haven't thought about it until yesterday when I saw your post.. got to thinking about last night and it was a cousin when I was living up in NY... we called him Paulie and he was a amateur male model but unfortunately he died of AIDS way, way too young. I trust in God's Word also... of course I'm more on the Jesus Freak side. smile.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486769 Feb 11, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
By calling Dim "Dim"?
Is it also a reflection of who I am?....
Hi Alex !

A bit of Ludwig Van for you to enjoy:

“Quo Vadis”

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#486770 Feb 11, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:

What are you gonna do almighty god counterstrike?
========{{GASP}}}}}=====
Yer not really gonna "SMITE US" IS YA???
I'm not the one you should be worshiping.
Black Thunder 42 wrote:

Yer right bozo. This ain't >kindergarten<--correct spell'n BTW. And your "explanations" are not needed(I realize that deflates your little ego).
Projection.

My explanations aren't needed by who? If you don't want my explanations then don't post to me; it's that simple. If you choose to post to me, then prepare yourself for more explanations.

:)+)
Black Thunder 42 wrote:

Your remark of "with all due respect" is an insult to anyone you post to, as you have completely failed in any regard to promote the word >"respect"< or show that you might possibly even understand the meaning or implication of the word. I will offer what you yourself have stated as advice in the use of words...If you can't use the word in it's proper meaning and context, don't use it at all.
What is your purpose for being here Mr. 42?
Do you need attention?
Are you feeling lonely?
Do you feel left out?
What do you Fear?

Well Mr. 42, seek ye first the Kingdom of The Most High Yahweh and All things shall be added unto you. Get over yourself Mr. 42, because somehow you seem to think your words move me in the least bit. Continue setting your tampons square, you'll realize you're getting nowhere real fast.
Black Thunder 42 wrote:

If you care to answer this post---please try to stay on the topic. It is quite irritating to have to stumble through all your ramblings and pick out any of the few pertinent inclusions you might have managed to actually reply.
There are several other things you seem to stumble over and they seem to be very simple questions asked of you. If you never noticed, you simply don't stay on topic either but hey, I believe I may post you a few questions on topic and see how well you handle them. I'm sure you're excited, so calm down a wait a bit; ok sport?

:)

Shalom!

CS.

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#486772 Feb 11, 2013
Seraphine wrote:
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Bonsoir mon ami, how are you? I hope all is well with you.
Bonsoir mon ami Seraphine, and a Blessed morning to you and yours, all is well with me and hope likewise for you as well.(:
mike

AOL

#486773 Feb 11, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
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I understand AJ.....You have a very kind and Loving Heart
>>>H_U_G<<<
The bible states,"no one can know the heart of another".

You seem to be in a "Hard" place perhaps you shouldn't be on an entertainment site.

You say things you hope someone will pretend to appreciate, it's all a "game", I guess you are in the right place.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486774 Feb 11, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
@ Ians Part 3 "And what bigger bully is there than the Christian church?"
1. The various government(s) around the world.
2. Al Quaeda (sp?)
3. Atheists (who are striving to want to rip away "In God We Trust", "God Bless America", "One Nation Under God." from the people)
4. Human Traffickers (Sex Slavery)
5. Pedophiles in all various type of communities religious and secular.
To name a few...
Except for "3" I agree.

Why should our secular government support the belief in ANY deity ?

What if it said "In Allah We Trust" or "In Brahma...." etc.?

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