“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#486555 Feb 10, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
So how could anyone make a blanket statement saying Christians don't have to feel bad or make amends to those they hurt because they can be forgiven?
Do they HAVE to feel bad and make amends in order to be considered Christian, or to get into Heaven, according to the rules?

I'm willing to let you define the rules as you believe them.
Skombolis wrote:
And it wouldn't matter what you have seen in your experience unless one qualifies it as that, which IANS did not, and it would be something nobody could know without knowing the heart of others and knowing the hundreds of millions of Christians just in U.S. alone
It was a broad-brush implication that as long as someone is forgiven (which benefits them) they don't care about the actual damage.
There's a huge difference between "they don't have to care" and "they don't care".

Did IANS say that Christians don't care?(in this context)
Skombolis wrote:
Christians who don't believe OSAS believe we still have to repent to receive forgiveness so that wouldn't even be correct since we can't receive forgiveness unless we sincerely repent and how can someone sincerely repent if they don't care about those they hurt.
All they have to do is believe that they are sincere, to believe they are being Christian. I don't know what that would entail in every case.
Skombolis wrote:
And even for OSAS believers he has no basis to make a universal claim
He has the exact same basis as you do, the Bible. If you consider the statement he is actually making, which is about Christian doctrine, not necessarily Christians, you can back up a counter argument with scripture. If making amends to those you wrong is a requirement to be a Christian, not just a suggestion, you should be able to rebut that using the Bible.
Skombolis wrote:
And his continued tactics of broad-brushing all Christians is one of the things i have been objecting to.
He mainly discusses Christianity as an entity, but some generalizations are to be expected.
Skombolis wrote:
Sometimes the only difference between bigotry and not being bigoted is whether someone keeps their remarks specific to some individuals or labels an entire group
I know what bigotry is. Are you accusing someone of bigotry?
Skombolis wrote:
And nobody can make a blanket statement about Christians any more than they can about all Americans or any other group and more so proportionately with the size
American is a more diverse category than Christian.

"Blanket statement" has a more negative connotation than "generalization".

The issue at hand was what is required of a Christian. This seems to be open to interpretation, so there are many possible answers. Is there a denomination that preaches a requirement to seek forgiveness from god and human victims of wrong doing? Maybe there is. Those Christians may believe that they are required to make amends to people to get into Heaven, and if they don't, they won't get into Heaven.
Skombolis wrote:
As far as how Christianity affects empathy? In practice it absolutely should. We are supposed to feel convicted by Spirit when we sin. Do all Christians feel about about those they hurt or do some only care about forgiveness? I have no idea as I can't know their hearts
Many Christians could be driven by shame, fear, and/or obligation. I don't see any demonstrable difference in empathy between Christians or people of any other persuasion.

It seems that a lot of people are in it for the afterlife reward miles. What's in your wallet?

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#486556 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
A lot of people don't apologise for wrongly and hurtfully assuming the meaning of a post...
I assume twice a day, once when I wake up, and once before I go to sleep. It hasn't failed me yet.

Were you being passive aggressive or what? You tell me.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#486558 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
That's so funny! Are you a professional comedian? Wow.
No- I am not..

Wasn't trying to be funny- I was on the Gold Coast last
year and had no problem w Google..

You drool at the foot of a pretend preacher here on this
thread- you ask questions that are easily answered through Google..

Are you a profesional comedian??
Or just foolish??

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#486559 Feb 10, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
I assume twice a day, once when I wake up, and once before I go to sleep. It hasn't failed me yet.
Were you being passive aggressive or what? You tell me.
Nope. Making a direct observation.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#486560 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol... IANS has upset me. How are you luv?
.. sometimes AIN becomes militant, kinda like Dykes on Bikes in full leather garb revving their motorcycles, ready to speed off into the Mexican sunset ..

.. other times, he's quite lovable, at least that's what Mrs. AIN told me when we .... ah ... << censured by Topix >>

.. anyway, Mrs. AINS claims he's a big teddy bear who loves animals and people, that his Topix posts give her a break from his colossal libido ..

.. yah, I've even been a little rough on SKOM too. It's so difficult getting past his ego defense mechanisms. Maybe he just needs someone he could trust. Or, a quick roll in the sack. Your thoughts ??..

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#486562 Feb 10, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>

I know what bigotry is. Are you accusing someone of bigotry?
I don't think you do. Otherwise you would see the problem with referring to Christians as an entity

And I am not going to split hairs on the difference between "blanket statement" and "generalization"

Negatively describing an entire group based on the actions of some is bigotry

And yes I have accused IANS of it many times

I think a lot of your posts are driven by trying to use semantics and loopholes and technicalities and in addition they seek to complicate what are simple concepts

You one can go by what people type and how almost all people would perceive their words to mean or one can't

It really makes no difference to me if you disagree how I see it

I responded to a few more because I felt you were making an effort to be more civil but I also am going to respectfully now tell you I am done talking about it with you. I am not trying to convince you nor do I care if you agree with how I see it. I am not saying it with an attitude, that's just the facts.

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#486565 Feb 10, 2013
Le_le wrote:
<quoted text>
No- I am not..
Wasn't trying to be funny- I was on the Gold Coast last
year and had no problem w Google..
You drool at the foot of a pretend preacher here on this
thread- you ask questions that are easily answered through Google..
Are you a profesional comedian??
Or just foolish??
There's Google on the Gold Coast...wow! You are very knowledgeable. I am a foolish professional comedian. You're a good guesser!

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#486566 Feb 10, 2013
Hello You, You, and You ...and anyone else I missed.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#486567 Feb 10, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I think people may overestimate their ability to do damage on the Internet
If an anonymous poster calling me 'dim' could get to me I would be in some pretty rough shape trying to handle the real world
But i will take the lifesaver!
And no more sex jokes to me either! I forgot what room I was in for a minute. Like i said, I have no problem personally but try to respect the audience. And you know I have limited self-control so don't set me up!:)
.. if the audience respects me, I always return the favor ..

<< Skimming through Christian sex joke file >>

.. ahh, there's the one I wanted ..

HL: You know "that look" women get when they want to have sex?

SKOM: No.

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#486568 Feb 10, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. sometimes AIN becomes militant, kinda like Dykes on Bikes in full leather garb revving their motorcycles, ready to speed off into the Mexican sunset ..
.. other times, he's quite lovable, at least that's what Mrs. AIN told me when we .... ah ... << censured by Topix >>
.. anyway, Mrs. AINS claims he's a big teddy bear who loves animals and people, that his Topix posts give her a break from his colossal libido ..
.. yah, I've even been a little rough on SKOM too. It's so difficult getting past his ego defense mechanisms. Maybe he just needs someone he could trust. Or, a quick roll in the sack. Your thoughts ??..
Lol...naughty cat...then you complain about people seeing you by your sexuality? Hmm...

I get that about Teddy btw and have always liked him but he upset me so I have to do what I do til' I'm no longer upset. I don't know about anyone's libido, here. Skom I get. He seems to like facts and doesn't mess around with serious topics and that can sometimes come across as ego, I don't see him that way, he, G and I seem to have that in common, stating facts that don't mesh with people's agendas, imh. I have no thoughts on Skom's sack needs.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#486570 Feb 10, 2013
hick-up wrote:
Hello You, You, and You ...and anyone else I missed.
Hello YOU!! How you been Hick-Up??
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#486571 Feb 10, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
FART
You are so stupi d and immature. Why don't you go back to your own country,you country bumpkin.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#486574 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
There's Google on the Gold Coast...wow! You are very knowledgeable. I am a foolish professional comedian. You're a good guesser!
Just don't understand why you can't figure it out
for yourself? Like this is the time of knowledge
through the world wide web..

You need an audiance- huh?
That's cool.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#486575 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
She can write some pretty hurtful things too.
BTW JL...Epi knows me as well or better than most on this thread...she knows the good and the bad.

She also knows that I am passionate about certain subjects...children that need a second chance...unwed mothers...gays rights...suicide...the homeless. These are all things that have touched my life...

Hopefully by the time I get to the end of catching up here you will have had a chance to list the hurtful things that I have said. I am not denying that I haven't said some...I know that I have. I have also apologized for some of them...if it is warranted.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#486577 Feb 10, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
There is a difference between corrupt and color
Did you mean paint, decoupage, or dye?

Or did you mean modify, tweak, manipulate, alter, or corrupt?
Skombolis wrote:
Do I think you would intentionally? Probably not although I don't know you well enough to say with a certainty. I do think you are seeing the situation through rose-colored glasses.
What I saw through my glasses was you, calling someone a liar, based on your interpretation of their words.

Did you call IANS a liar?

Why?

I don't mind if you pass.
Skombolis wrote:
If we have to know the mind of someone to properly comment on what they write and can't go by their words then there is little point of this forum
When you claim that someone is a liar, without knowing that they are lying, what are you doing?

Why not say, "This seems to be inconsistent with what I have understood to be your position. Would you please clarify?"

It's so easy, even a... nevermind.
Skombolis wrote:
And when someone says "nope, not going to keep correcting you" in response to something they have said prior then it is what it is. Especially when it happens a lot and has happened with other posters. Is everybody incapable of understanding the written word?
Again, this is the basis
Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"
IANS responded
"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."
If you want to keep arguing that isn't a denial then that is your right. But it is obvious to me.
You seem to be operating on a fallacy called the false dichotomy. He didn't say your paraphrasing was the opposite of what he said. The unnecessary addition of "(but would require proof)" is probably what frustrated him.

The "lie", as I understand it, is that IANS denied that he didn't rule out the possibility of a creator god. This "lie" was never demonstrated by you explicitly, or implicitly. He has consistently posted his stance on the possibility of the existence of creator gods thousands of times. What do you imagine would be his motivation to lie about it in one post?

I hope your mind has closed on this so we can move on.

“MEET ROSEMARY-She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#486578 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol...naughty cat...then you complain about people seeing you by your sexuality? Hmm...
.. levity, Diamonds, levity ..
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
I get that about Teddy btw and have always liked him (AIN) but he upset me so I have to do what I do til' I'm no longer upset.
.. why did only AIN upset you? They were both throwing pitchforks, enjoying a good, old manly brawl ..
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>I don't know about anyone's libido, here. Skom I get. He seems to like facts and doesn't mess around with serious topics and that can sometimes come across as ego, I don't see him that way, he, G and I seem to have that in common, stating facts that don't mesh with people's agendas, imh.
.. would you like to take my course on ego defense mechanisms? If so, PM me your Pay Pal e-mail address and password ..
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>I have no thoughts on Skom's sack needs.
HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA* HA*HA*HA*HA*HA

<< skimming through Christian sex joke file. Again. >>

HL: There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal in women.

SKOM: Are you talking about battery operated devices?

HL: No, a BMW and a diploma from Harvard.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#486579 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
WINLAC, yesterday. I was agreeing with you and you hurt my feelings with that long accusatory post. That's the only one that is currently bothering me. Then you said if you misunderstood you'd apologise. I explained my meaning. Then you said you apologised. You didn't. I thought we were past all that is all.
You brought it back up JL...not me. Nothing that I have posted on this thread today had anything to do with you nor the posts on WINLAC.

What more could I have said than if I misunderstood then I apologize?

What are you wanting...

BTW I saw the post to Steve saying that people didn't apologize even when they misunderstand a post. I knew that was directed at me but I let it go.

Again...you are the one that brought it back up...and now it is my fault?
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#486580 Feb 10, 2013
dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
prrrrrrrrrt plum plum plask-
loud sounds when someone seat on the toilet with diahrahea after reading stupid posts of dr Reality
whhrrrrrrrr Fart Fart
You stankin' nerd. You probably been wearing the same pair of draws for the last two weeks. Stankin' self.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#486581 Feb 10, 2013
hick-up wrote:
Hello You, You, and You ...and anyone else I missed.
I'll give you a shout and tell you that out here yesterday was 60 and 70 mile gust of nothing but dirt that whirled and whirled around all day long.The land of enchantment had a dust bowl of a time.
Truckers pulled off and parked the rigs.Seen on one post where you was in montana I'm told that is some beautiful country.Had some family who grew up there so heard alot of good stories of that place.Then seen you was in Conn in the snow storm.I'm betting you been on quite a adventure with this run.Just travel safe.

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#486582 Feb 10, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. levity, Diamonds, levity ..
<quoted text>
.. why did only AIN upset you? They were both throwing pitchforks, enjoying a good, old manly brawl ..
<quoted text>
.. would you like to take my course on ego defense mechanisms? If so, PM me your Pay Pal e-mail address and password ..
<quoted text>
HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA*HA* HA*HA*HA*HA*HA
<< skimming through Christian sex joke file. Again. >>
HL: There are a number of mechanical devices which increase sexual arousal in women.
SKOM: Are you talking about battery operated devices?
HL: No, a BMW and a diploma from Harvard.
LOL...speechless with laughter atm, will get back to you...

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