Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#486383 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
Okay...to see if maybe we can discuss something different today...
Would like your thoughts on if you believe this is a bit extreme...or if you agree with the man's actions.
Tennessee man quits job after '666' stamped on W-2
Published February 07, 2013
Associated Press
NASHVILLE, Tenn.– A Tennessee maintenance worker says he quit his job because his W-2 tax form was stamped with the number 666.
Walter Slonopas told The Tennessean that accepting the number would have condemned his soul to hell. That number is considered the "mark of the beast" in the Bible's Book of Revelation describing the apocalypse.
The company that handles payroll for Contech Casting LLC says the number meant Slonopas' form was the 666th one mailed out.
The 52-year-old Slonopas says he had trouble with the number before. He was supposed to be assigned No. 668 to use when he clocked in. Because of a mix-up, he was assigned 666. He complained and got a new number.
A company spokesman says Contech would send a new W-2 and wants to rehire Slonopas. But Slonopas says "God is worth more than money."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/07/tennesse...
How can we criticize him, but not those who believe other parts of the bible in the same way? The bible can be interpreted as saying to avoid that number. Christian pharmacists have been fired for refusing to fill legal prescriptions for morning after pills. http://www.life.org/phar2.html I think most were admired by their fellow Christians for it. Is that different?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#486384 Feb 10, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
You know what you feel inside...I know what I feel inside...God knows what is inside our hearts....That's all that counts!!
Somebody was asking earlier - Serah, perhaps?- what private religion is. This was a good illustration. Most unbelievers have no problem with this type of thing. It's confined to the lives of believers.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#486385 Feb 10, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many posters on here that I scroll past...because it is the same no matter what others say to them....they just like to see their posts. So I'm sure I miss alot of "Goings on"...My purpose is to uplift and support posters here...
I don't know where it will stop? Do you think you change their minds with your words? This world can be cruel.....and beautiful...I can only change my world and attitude
I think you were close (using them up...LOL)
I am not like IANS...I am not out to change the world...only one person at a time. As I said...if one believes it is a sin...if one believes it is wrong...that is their opinion.

What I want to change is the cruelty of one's words.

Have a made a difference...according to what some have told me...I have.

My own nephew was homophobic. He still believes that it is a sin...but he has also learned that they deserve the same respect that he would show to heterosexuals. He has even made friends with a few...he has learned...they really are no different than himself.

Another person...ugly homophobic...he still doesn't agree...but he has seen the hatefulness of his words.

I had a Christian from another thread t-mail me...again...he still thought it was sin...but changed his approach when he saw the ugliness of his own words.

There are others...each becoming a little kinder...a little more compassionate.

Will the Christian faith ever change...no...I do not look for it to nor do I even expect it to. Hopefully though some will see the hatred of their words they use...realize...that even gays were included in that "love your neighbor as yourself".

That is all that I try to do...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#486386 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. I agree Epi, well stated, God Bless <3
It is not the gifts or "fruits" that one holds, but how one uses those "fruits" that determines one's legacy...the meaning of the "stored" wealth parable.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#486387 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
The line "love the sinner...hate the sin" is a hollow and shallow cover-up. How does one expect another to feel that love when one has called them a...

pervert
deviant
scum of the earth
human garbage
pedophile
degradation to marriage
sex with animals
etc
etc
etc

Do you really expect anyone to see that as anything else but hatred?
Nicely stated.
AnnieJ wrote:
An example...
At one time I posted on the Gay/Lesbian forum. There was a professed Christian that was as vile as I had ever seen.
I asked him once...what he would do if his child came home and told him he was gay.

His response...
I would throw him out on the pile with the rest of the trash.
One can say that man was not a "true" Christian...yet I have read similar comments here on this thread among the "true" Christians.
As I said above...that "love the sinner...hate the sin" rings hollow...a cover up for hatred.
Somebody was saying that their religion teaches love - tough love. I call it hate, too. This (above) is what is too often learned.

I think it was Skombolis that wanted to see an official homophobia policy from the church before he would consider whether it was to blame for such predictable outcomes.

The whole culture of homophobia is pernicious. It damages family. It torments individuals. It's unfair and it's unkind.

No.

Sorry, Christians, but no - you can't have that, not if you can be stopped. You just don't get to do that to people because of some old book. It's ridiculous.

We can do so much better than this.

And we will, once the church stops churning out so many tens of millions of copies of this hateful meme, and filling our neighborhoods with it. Our neighbors file into corner chapels every Sunday to be trained in this hatred, and then return to their homes to live their daily lives believing that hate is love. That can't be good for anybody that I care about.

That is part of why I denounce that church.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#486388 Feb 10, 2013
I think the whole pre-marital sex rule was implemented to protect the monetary value of virgin daughters.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#486389 Feb 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Your god has already changed multiple times.
Your god's word is becoming more irrelevant every day. Your god may still be talking in a century, but almost nobody in the West will be listening. I hope its "last word" will come sooner.
Notice how my comment irritates you. That's because you feel that you have the right to make proclamations like the one you just made, but that contradictions are inappropriate. But no:
What comes 'round goes 'round.
Many see it as a simple wheel, which is a very limited view. I see it as a spiral of progression, much like that of a chromosome, having affects seen and unseen for all generations following and interacting with all things past-present and future. It is only as good as the "builders" contributions to it's sunstance.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486390 Feb 10, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Duane....
When it comes to "Why does God feel this way or that way?" I am NOT proud enough to speak for God...He has his reasons...That is when people say "If God feels that way then I want nothing to do with him"...That is their choice...
IMO Abomination means something that God hates....He hates other things beside Homosexuality....
These six things doth the LORD hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Prayer is even added to the list of “abominations,” if it comes from one who turns his ear from hearing the law in Proverbs 28:9.
He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination. NASB
I think God has hated things we all do (or have done in our past)
Have a good day
Thanks for the reply.

I agree with the six things in the Psalm.

Interesting take on empty prayers. I agree but for different reasons.

I do not agree that abomination, "God hates" to equate to sin. I am sure "God hates" to see little children die from cancer or birth defects. I do not think getting cancer, or in the case of inherited defects passing the genes to one's child, a sin.

The word abomination is IMHO not as cut and dried as everyone makes it out to be.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486391 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
...
What I want to change is the cruelty of one's words.....
Some say, "It is better know a man's heart by the hatred that comes from his mouth than to guess what is hidden behind a scheming smile."

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486392 Feb 10, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> It is not the gifts or "fruits" that one holds, but how one uses those "fruits" that determines one's legacy...the meaning of the "stored" wealth parable.
Thanks! That adds a whole new dimension to my thoughts on that.

<hug>

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#486394 Feb 10, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Yep..........so you better brace yourself.
Yer not a cathaholic priest are ya?

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#486396 Feb 10, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
<quoted text>
If nothing else, it lets nonbelievers know that they are not alone.
Thats good...coz I never drink unless I'm alone or with somebody.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#486401 Feb 10, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
<quoted text>
.. my posts are directed towards certain religious sects, not individuals ..
.. read my gripes again:
SOME Religious Sects:
1. Influence government to conform to the Christian worldview.
2. Spend obscene amounts of money to influence voters.
3. Encourage members to campaign for certain politicians.
4. Promote patriarchy disguised as family values.
5. Insist abortion must be eliminated regardless of circumstances.
6. Build mega-churches and sell DVDs/Books/CD's/Etc. under the non-profit umbrella.
7. Proselytize in poor Third World Countries.
8. Influence foreign governments to pass laws against homosexuality, abortion, witchcraft or anything they consider sinful.
.. when any religious body uses tax-free tithes to buy a foreign government then convince them to sentence gays and witches to death based on the bible, we have a problem, Houston ..
.. when pastors of mega-churches use tax-free tithes for indoor swimming pools in their homes, we have a problem, Houston ..
.. when churches spend over $40,000,000.00 tax-free dollars to pass a voter bill, we have a problem, Houston ..
GOD also shares your problem(s)..... as do we all someway or another :(

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#486402 Feb 10, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Not being defensive but I think most have given up on both Doctors.
Mmmh; in my case at least you are not defending me but telling it as it is. We can try and point out to others that there are depths to Christianity and being a Christian that is deeper than calling people foul names. We cannot demand that they stop writing such carp because, after all, is is freedom of speech but we do have the choice of using the scroll button.

Thank GOD for choices :)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#486403 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
Here is another good example of what hatred breeds.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T64GV6Q...
"Your use of the word patriarchy shows your bigotry. And I'm perfectly fine with gay kids being bullied to death."
A perfect example of the wicked preaching self piety in self deceit...and the reason I despise "it's" presence.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#486404 Feb 10, 2013
Seraphine wrote:
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Bonsoir mon amie, Sora and I have known eachother for fourteen years and we have been married for eleven. I learned the piano at an early age, my mother is proficient on the harpsichord (A family heirloom) my father plays an instrument called the viola da gamba, a precursor to the Cello. I am hopeful and optimistic about your recovery cher. Sora's sister was a virtuoso on the violin, she was described as a modern day Paganini.
I love the harp :)

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#486405 Feb 10, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Gays/lesbians have always been able to get the benefits Hetrosexuals have, and they KNOW this. They KNOW that they can go under 'domestic partner, just like couples that live together and are NOT married.
Gays/lesbians have ALWAYS had the right to give a gaurdian or power of attourney to ANYONE to give MEDICAL decisions on their behalf.
What they really want is to be able to be ACKNOWLEDGED that they are GAY to the PUBLIC and that it is NOT wrong in God's eyes, and that they have PROVED it to all by making 'Marriage legal for them,since the Bible is used in Marriae ceremonies.
If that wasn't the case, then just simply LIVING together would suffice, jut as it does with hetros...
Every time the word ABOMINABLE is mentioned in the Bible , it shows disgust, vile, corruptable, etc with the LORD. It is a very descriptive word to show 'hatred for.
Where are you getting your information??

Someone who is not married is not protected under law by spousal privilege. Nor do they get citizenship or certain insurance benefits that comes with marriage.

I never spoke about power of attorney, that is to control someone's legal affairs and anybody can set anybody up for that
And no living together does not give someone certain say in medical decisions

Again, please show where you have gotten your information as nothing you made in this post in correct.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#486406 Feb 10, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
<quoted text>
"Nope." was not an answer to your question. It was part of the statement that he was not going to continue correcting your paraphrasing.
IANS didn't lie. You misunderstood. Then you called him a liar for your mistake.
What will you do about it?
riiiight

Skombolis wrote:
"You also said you don't rule out the possibility of a creator god (but would require proof)"

IANS responded
"Nope. I'm not going to continue to correct you any more."

Since that is exactly what he had said in a prior post and then denied it how is that not a lie?

And since he does this over and over again it is a pattern. Just like he claimed I paraphrased him all wrong when I said he wants to limit the church's influence on society and politics. And just like he told Juicy she paraphrases him all wrong when she said he believes all or most Christians have been indoctrinated and then went on to tell brother Lee Christians think how they do because of their church

But I assumed some would come running try to justify it

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#486407 Feb 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Somebody was saying that their religion teaches love - tough love. I call it hate, too. This (above) is what is too often learned.
I think it was Skombolis that wanted to see an official homophobia policy from the church before he would consider whether it was to blame for such predictable outcomes.
The whole culture of homophobia is pernicious. It damages family. It torments individuals. It's unfair and it's unkind.
No.
Sorry, Christians, but no - you can't have that, not if you can be stopped. You just don't get to do that to people because of some old book. It's ridiculous.
We can do so much better than this.That is part of why I denounce that church.**PORTIONS SNIPPED**
.. a person must have actual feelings of love for 'tough love' to be effective. It's easy to refuse a stranger but, as a parent, you know how difficult it is to refuse your own child ..

.. some Christians claim they love the homosexual and are only warning them like any good, authoritarian parent would. What a mind bender! They love the homosexual so that gives them the right to label someone a sinful, immoral abomination? That's "tough love?" Pleassseeee, spare me the pseudo-intellectual rubble ..

.. they're like any common schoolyard bully who ridicules the fat or gay kid. Same behavior, just different words to justify and defend their inappropriate behavior ..

.. tough love my azzzz ..

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#486408 Feb 10, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Well, K, I first thought you were a hard azz angry hateful witch that couldn't see past the thought of anyone not being able to see god the way you did....and proceeded ta chew at ya fer it too. Somewhere in the middle of the (Demsey)ring(an it WAS ugly), I guess we both came ta see we'er jist two folks(what I failed ta see in the first place), an we were actually fight'n the same battle o' sorts. I reckon the scars was worth it. LOL! Oh...we'll still have tiffs(that's inevitable), but ther's no more "justice" in the destructive "battle" of "enemy mine", so the cannons are stowed. We'er better than that. IMO.
Hey BT42 ~ I get frustrated when people state positively there is no GOD nor Spiritual side because I know there is. I will keep putting my experiences and reasons for this belief forward, as I have been doing for 8 years because that is my journal and I am sharing it. My life so to speak. That which I am handing in to be marked.

I gather not all have this depth of trying to improve one's % growth ..... but most that I know first hand do give it a go. Perhaps one needs the positive energy to kick it in :)

We should not make idols, BJ42, but we do; we make them out of people and when they crumble from being treated like some sort of amazing being, we are shocked. These people who are cheating others are not poor people on the welfare system desperate to help their families eat, or keep warm, or in fact have clean water to drink. They are already wealthy in the right of man(kind) and then that means they are powerful. They cheat the court systems when there has been rapes and foul play, they cheat the law and the people can do nothing, because money, and power are involved.

***From things I've heard and read over the years I've long suspected that growth hormone and especially steroid abuse has been rife in Australian Rugby League, and that individually some Australian Rules footballers have probably crossed the line as well. What is surprising is that what appears to have been going on at the Essendon Aussie Rules club was being orchestrated by one of the club's approved medical advisers, and that players were asked to sign formal club agreements binding them into taking the "supplement" injections. As yet we have no details as to what those supplements actually contained...

On top of the drugs stuff, the match fixing allegations have spun the media into full 'shock - horror' mode, but again perhaps the news is not that earth shattering since it's not that long ago that a Aussie Rules team was punished for deliberately throwing games in order to finish lower in the table so as to gain better picks in the off-season Player Draft. Meanwhile, aside from a handful of big names, Australia's sports professionals across all the codes are nowhere near as well paid as say top club European footballers are paid, so the potential for bribery and spot betting fixing has always been there (and the experts were all warning the various representative bodies about the likelihood of this a couple of years ago during the cricket spot betting business - but little notice was taken. "Oh those naughty Pakistanis - such a thing couldn't possibly happen here in Australia...").

http://smf.citymancs.com/forum/index.php... ***

At what point do we say enough is enough? Or are these the signs of the times and we just have to run with it? Why don't they at least be honest and say, come and play AFL and take performance enhancing drugs and just do the best you can to win. Winning is all that counts, there is no longer anything to honor and pride and humility, they are feelings of the past?

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