mike

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#486371 Feb 10, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hello Doc

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

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#486372 Feb 10, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
I shared the story last week of my cousin who was gay.....I am not covering up hatred because I really LOVED my cousin (he was like my Brother)....but as a Christian I know God has words against the gay lifestyle. I trust Gods word...I still LOVE my cousin.
I know Epi...there are many like you out there. The problem is...that the rest of them are yelling louder. They are allowed to get by with it.

Unless I missed it...not one Christian voiced their opinion when CS was on a roll...does that mean no one cared...they agreed...or did they just not want to rock the boat?

Last week on WINLAC a poster decided to post crude jokes about Christians. Guess who took the risk of rocking the boat...again...it wasn't a Christian.

I know at times it seems as if we are painting that broad stroke and I apologize for that. I am fully aware that people such as yourself...LeLe and others would never say those things.

I don't agree with IANS view points...at least not all of them...but where does it stop? Where do we draw the line with the hatred? Do we just accept it because of someone's personal beliefs?

Is it okay for someone to say they are okay with gay kids being bullied to death? Personal belief or not...it isn't okay.

Okay...that is enough...I will end up using all my 4000 characters!
mike

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#486373 Feb 10, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep.
She shares from her daily readings.
I seem to recall she used to put citations in her post to indicate where they came from. I have become so used to them I don;t know if she still does.
One was a publication called "Daily Bread".. I think.
Epi is not passing them of as her own words.
Hello G_O_D

Some seem to think they're from Epi's heart.

If someone decided to post the bible from start to finish daily, what would be the point?....simply because you can?

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

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#486374 Feb 10, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Hello G_O_D
Some seem to think they're from Epi's heart.
If someone decided to post the bible from start to finish daily, what would be the point?....simply because you can?
Yep...sounds like a good enough reason to me.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

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#486377 Feb 10, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Hello G_O_D
Some seem to think they're from Epi's heart.
If someone decided to post the bible from start to finish daily, what would be the point?....simply because you can?
If I send someone roses does that imply that they couldnot obtain them on thir own or that I grew themmyself ?

Sometimes you make good points, Mike. Sometimes you read too much into things.

"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" - Freud

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486378 Feb 10, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>So THAT explains why you LIE on the Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible all the time,huh??!
Jesus is gay ?

ROFLMAO

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#486380 Feb 10, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not being beligerant but wonder if you can give your opinion of "WHY" God finds male homosexuality an abomination and what you think "abomination" means.
Thanks.
Hey Duane....

When it comes to "Why does God feel this way or that way?" I am NOT proud enough to speak for God...He has his reasons...That is when people say "If God feels that way then I want nothing to do with him"...That is their choice...

IMO Abomination means something that God hates....He hates other things beside Homosexuality....

These six things doth the LORD hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren.

Prayer is even added to the list of “abominations,” if it comes from one who turns his ear from hearing the law in Proverbs 28:9.

He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination. NASB

I think God has hated things we all do (or have done in our past)

Have a good day

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#486381 Feb 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said.
The following is a list at http://richardwaynegarganta.com/abomination.h... of things the Bible considers an abomination:
Unclean things (Lev. 7:21)
Customs of pagans (Lev. 18:30)
Idols (2 Chr. 15:8; 1 Pet. 4:3)
Sins of men (Ps. 14:1; 53:1)
Cheating (Mic. 6:10)
Lost souls (Rev. 21:8)
A froward man (perverse; one who turns aside (Pro. 3:32; 11:20)
A proud look (Pro. 6:16-17)
A lying tongue (Pro. 6:17; 12:22)
Hands that shed innocent blood ((Pro. 6:17)
A wicked scheming heart (Pro. 6:18)
Feet that are quick to sin (Pro. 6:18)
A false witness that speaks lies (Pro. 6:19)
A sower of discord (Pro. 6:19)
Wickedness (Pro. 8:7)
A false balance or scale (Pro. 11:1)
Sacrifices of the wicked (Pro. 15:8; 21:27)
The way of the wicked (Pro. 15:9)
The thoughts of the wicked (Pro. 15:26)
The proud of heart (Pro. 16:5)
Justifying the wicked (Pro. 17:15)
Condemning the just (Pro. 17:15)
Divers, dishonest weights (Pro. 20:10, 23)
Divers, dishonest measures (Pro. 20:10)
Refusing to hear the law (Pro. 28:9)
Prayers of the rebel (Pro. 28:9)
Eating flesh of peace offerings on the 3rd day (Lev. 7:18)
Some same sex acts (Lev. 18:22; 20:13; Dt. 23:18)
Taking ornaments from idols when being destroyed (Dt. 7:25-26)
Any Idolatrous practices (Dt. 12:31; 13:14; 17:4; 18:9; 20:18; 29:17)
Offering an imperfect animal to God as a sacrifice (Dt. 17:1)
Any traffic with demons (Dt. 18:7-12)
Wearing clothes of the opposite sex (Dt. 22:5)
Bringing the hire of a harlot or sodomite into God's house (Dt. 23:18)
Re-marriage of former companions (Dt. 24:1-4)
Cheating others (Dt. 25:13-16)
Making images/idols (Dt. 27:15)
Idols of Ammon (1 Ki. 11:5)
Idols of Moab (1 Ki. 11:7; 2 Ki. 11:13)
Idols of Zidon (2 Ki. 23:13)
Incense offered by hypocrites (Isa. 1:13)
Eating unclean things (Isa. 66:17)
Offering human sacrifices (Jer. 32:35)
Robbery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Murder (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Adultery (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Oppression of others, particularly the poor or vulnerable (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Violence (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Breaking vows (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Lending with interest to a brother (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Lying with a menstruous woman (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Hardness of heart (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Injustice (Ezek. 18: 6-13)
Worship of anti-Christ (Dan. 11:31; 12:11; Mt. 24:15; 2 Th. 2:4; Rev. 13)
Incest (Lev. 19: 6-30)
Things highly esteemed by man (Lk. 16:15)
Many other sins of the nations (Lev. 18: 26-29; Dt. 18: 9-12; 20:18; 29:17; 1 Ki. 14:24; 21:2, 11; 23:24; 2 Chr. 28:3; 33:2; 34:33; 36:14; Ezek. 7: 3-20; 8: 6-17; 16: 2-58; 20: 4-30; Rev. 17: 4-5)
So, should I tie myself to the stake? Or will someone else do that for me? Who will light the fire if I am tied up in it? I don't think there will be time to tell it all as the flames purify the transgressions, if there is no offset of balance. It seems the cure is just as dangerous as the affliction of impurity. Perhaps there is a more appropriate remedy.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#486382 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
I know Epi...there are many like you out there. The problem is...that the rest of them are yelling louder. They are allowed to get by with it.
Unless I missed it...not one Christian voiced their opinion when CS was on a roll...does that mean no one cared...they agreed...or did they just not want to rock the boat?
Last week on WINLAC a poster decided to post crude jokes about Christians. Guess who took the risk of rocking the boat...again...it wasn't a Christian.
I know at times it seems as if we are painting that broad stroke and I apologize for that. I am fully aware that people such as yourself...LeLe and others would never say those things.
I don't agree with IANS view points...at least not all of them...but where does it stop? Where do we draw the line with the hatred? Do we just accept it because of someone's personal beliefs?
Is it okay for someone to say they are okay with gay kids being bullied to death? Personal belief or not...it isn't okay.
Okay...that is enough...I will end up using all my 4000 characters!
There are many posters on here that I scroll past...because it is the same no matter what others say to them....they just like to see their posts. So I'm sure I miss alot of "Goings on"...My purpose is to uplift and support posters here...

I don't know where it will stop? Do you think you change their minds with your words? This world can be cruel.....and beautiful...I can only change my world and attitude

I think you were close (using them up...LOL)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#486383 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
Okay...to see if maybe we can discuss something different today...
Would like your thoughts on if you believe this is a bit extreme...or if you agree with the man's actions.
Tennessee man quits job after '666' stamped on W-2
Published February 07, 2013
Associated Press
NASHVILLE, Tenn.– A Tennessee maintenance worker says he quit his job because his W-2 tax form was stamped with the number 666.
Walter Slonopas told The Tennessean that accepting the number would have condemned his soul to hell. That number is considered the "mark of the beast" in the Bible's Book of Revelation describing the apocalypse.
The company that handles payroll for Contech Casting LLC says the number meant Slonopas' form was the 666th one mailed out.
The 52-year-old Slonopas says he had trouble with the number before. He was supposed to be assigned No. 668 to use when he clocked in. Because of a mix-up, he was assigned 666. He complained and got a new number.
A company spokesman says Contech would send a new W-2 and wants to rehire Slonopas. But Slonopas says "God is worth more than money."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/07/tennesse...
How can we criticize him, but not those who believe other parts of the bible in the same way? The bible can be interpreted as saying to avoid that number. Christian pharmacists have been fired for refusing to fill legal prescriptions for morning after pills. http://www.life.org/phar2.html I think most were admired by their fellow Christians for it. Is that different?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#486384 Feb 10, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
You know what you feel inside...I know what I feel inside...God knows what is inside our hearts....That's all that counts!!
Somebody was asking earlier - Serah, perhaps?- what private religion is. This was a good illustration. Most unbelievers have no problem with this type of thing. It's confined to the lives of believers.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#486385 Feb 10, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many posters on here that I scroll past...because it is the same no matter what others say to them....they just like to see their posts. So I'm sure I miss alot of "Goings on"...My purpose is to uplift and support posters here...
I don't know where it will stop? Do you think you change their minds with your words? This world can be cruel.....and beautiful...I can only change my world and attitude
I think you were close (using them up...LOL)
I am not like IANS...I am not out to change the world...only one person at a time. As I said...if one believes it is a sin...if one believes it is wrong...that is their opinion.

What I want to change is the cruelty of one's words.

Have a made a difference...according to what some have told me...I have.

My own nephew was homophobic. He still believes that it is a sin...but he has also learned that they deserve the same respect that he would show to heterosexuals. He has even made friends with a few...he has learned...they really are no different than himself.

Another person...ugly homophobic...he still doesn't agree...but he has seen the hatefulness of his words.

I had a Christian from another thread t-mail me...again...he still thought it was sin...but changed his approach when he saw the ugliness of his own words.

There are others...each becoming a little kinder...a little more compassionate.

Will the Christian faith ever change...no...I do not look for it to nor do I even expect it to. Hopefully though some will see the hatred of their words they use...realize...that even gays were included in that "love your neighbor as yourself".

That is all that I try to do...

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#486386 Feb 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. I agree Epi, well stated, God Bless <3
It is not the gifts or "fruits" that one holds, but how one uses those "fruits" that determines one's legacy...the meaning of the "stored" wealth parable.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#486387 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
The line "love the sinner...hate the sin" is a hollow and shallow cover-up. How does one expect another to feel that love when one has called them a...

pervert
deviant
scum of the earth
human garbage
pedophile
degradation to marriage
sex with animals
etc
etc
etc

Do you really expect anyone to see that as anything else but hatred?
Nicely stated.
AnnieJ wrote:
An example...
At one time I posted on the Gay/Lesbian forum. There was a professed Christian that was as vile as I had ever seen.
I asked him once...what he would do if his child came home and told him he was gay.

His response...
I would throw him out on the pile with the rest of the trash.
One can say that man was not a "true" Christian...yet I have read similar comments here on this thread among the "true" Christians.
As I said above...that "love the sinner...hate the sin" rings hollow...a cover up for hatred.
Somebody was saying that their religion teaches love - tough love. I call it hate, too. This (above) is what is too often learned.

I think it was Skombolis that wanted to see an official homophobia policy from the church before he would consider whether it was to blame for such predictable outcomes.

The whole culture of homophobia is pernicious. It damages family. It torments individuals. It's unfair and it's unkind.

No.

Sorry, Christians, but no - you can't have that, not if you can be stopped. You just don't get to do that to people because of some old book. It's ridiculous.

We can do so much better than this.

And we will, once the church stops churning out so many tens of millions of copies of this hateful meme, and filling our neighborhoods with it. Our neighbors file into corner chapels every Sunday to be trained in this hatred, and then return to their homes to live their daily lives believing that hate is love. That can't be good for anybody that I care about.

That is part of why I denounce that church.

“What's left to defend?”

Since: Jan 11

Freedom

#486388 Feb 10, 2013
I think the whole pre-marital sex rule was implemented to protect the monetary value of virgin daughters.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

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#486389 Feb 10, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Your god has already changed multiple times.
Your god's word is becoming more irrelevant every day. Your god may still be talking in a century, but almost nobody in the West will be listening. I hope its "last word" will come sooner.
Notice how my comment irritates you. That's because you feel that you have the right to make proclamations like the one you just made, but that contradictions are inappropriate. But no:
What comes 'round goes 'round.
Many see it as a simple wheel, which is a very limited view. I see it as a spiral of progression, much like that of a chromosome, having affects seen and unseen for all generations following and interacting with all things past-present and future. It is only as good as the "builders" contributions to it's sunstance.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486390 Feb 10, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Duane....
When it comes to "Why does God feel this way or that way?" I am NOT proud enough to speak for God...He has his reasons...That is when people say "If God feels that way then I want nothing to do with him"...That is their choice...
IMO Abomination means something that God hates....He hates other things beside Homosexuality....
These six things doth the LORD hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh lies,
and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Prayer is even added to the list of “abominations,” if it comes from one who turns his ear from hearing the law in Proverbs 28:9.
He who turns away his ear from listening to the law,
Even his prayer is an abomination. NASB
I think God has hated things we all do (or have done in our past)
Have a good day
Thanks for the reply.

I agree with the six things in the Psalm.

Interesting take on empty prayers. I agree but for different reasons.

I do not agree that abomination, "God hates" to equate to sin. I am sure "God hates" to see little children die from cancer or birth defects. I do not think getting cancer, or in the case of inherited defects passing the genes to one's child, a sin.

The word abomination is IMHO not as cut and dried as everyone makes it out to be.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486391 Feb 10, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
...
What I want to change is the cruelty of one's words.....
Some say, "It is better know a man's heart by the hatred that comes from his mouth than to guess what is hidden behind a scheming smile."

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#486392 Feb 10, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> It is not the gifts or "fruits" that one holds, but how one uses those "fruits" that determines one's legacy...the meaning of the "stored" wealth parable.
Thanks! That adds a whole new dimension to my thoughts on that.

<hug>

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#486394 Feb 10, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Yep..........so you better brace yourself.
Yer not a cathaholic priest are ya?

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