Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#485526 Feb 8, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Not people. Ideas.
Not people. Ideas..
Ideas cant hurt anybody. People acting upon them can. I understand what you mean as far as going forward you want to change the culture of how we think but why would you ignore the people who make that culture so prevalent today? If you don't want to target people then that makes no sense to me. Just as targeting the entire church would have made no sense to me.

Targeting everybody and targeting nobody are both extremes that do no good. Let's say you have a political pundit who is using faith as political currency and using it in a manipulative, dishonest, inflammatory way because he knows it is a hot-button for people and wants to get their votes by enraging them towards the other side even if built on pure lies? You don't challenge that but instead just say you want to challenge the idea of people who use faith incorrectly for political gain? Of course you should speak out against the individual fanning the hysteria
Tide with Beach wrote:
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There is absolutely no need to target radicals, even if you were targeting people. They are self sustaining billboards for anti-theism.
I am not trying to come off as sarcastic but really? Why do you think certain ideas take root or why damage can be done? It is because there ideas resonate with people, normally people imo who may already be struggling with other things. When you are out of work through no fault of your own it is easy to want to blame someone when you can' feed your kids. So then when suddenly all the world's woes is because of sinners in society and particular ones, people who may have not gone for that before suddenly do. They forget they sin themselves every day. Some radicals are dangerous and they are because they are effective
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Well, I target ideas, and I don't care who holds them.
I think that is a huge mistake. You have to try to either reduce someone's voice or get your own out there when someone is doing damage. I have a vested interest in seeing Christianity adhere to the teachings of Christ. Society has a vested interest in having an equal society as far as fundamental rights. Everybody has a stake in it and simply trying to tell the next generation they should really think like this or that does no good with the people with all the power have a bigger microphone. Sure you may change the opinions of a few people but you wanna change a country you gotta target people and on their own platform.

JMO
Knowledge

United States

#485527 Feb 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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How is IANS...myself...others...being on this thread voicing our opinions any different than Christians being on WINLAC? Many Christians have shown up there...read our beliefs...become angry...start condemning us to hell.
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I disagree with most of this. None of it was the case for me and not the case for many others.
Think about it Knowledge...most of us paid a price for walking away. Most of us came from Christian families. Us leaving put a wedge between us. I lost a dear friend when she found out that I was not Christian. The list goes on as to what we give up when we make that choice.
Also consider...there are many Christians now that do not attend church...many right here on this very thread...yet they still call themselves Christians.
It is not always easy to walk away from what you have known all of your life. Yet it is much easier to do so than to stay in a faith that you no longer believe.
There are too many Christians now that stay in the faith simply because of the pot luck dinner on the grounds. I will not be that type of hypocrite.
So I faced my doubts...I faced disappointing my family...my friends...I went to where my heart took me.
I was referring to the people who have had nothing to happen to them, while in church.

I believe that Jesus will judge our hearts, he knows everything about us, our past, present and future. I have found myself questioning some things, as I watch Christians from a different perspective. I believe that God had a sense of humor.....after all he made me....LOL As I watch people on these topix, I wonder what in the world has happened to people. They are so mean, and hateful, and both Christians and Nonbelievers. Right now, my humor is what gets me up everyday. I believe in God, and nothing has changed about that and my love towards him. But, instead of getting angry at others for their mean and hateful ways, I think I will just deal with them with humor. Life is too short to be mean and angry, and doing it in the name of Jesus. Since I slipped on the ice, and have had to mend, my only outlet to others has been the net, with some visitors and family...I have watched strangers just eat at each others hearts without a thought....of hurting anyone. Maybe my slipping on the ice was a part of God's plan, he needed to give me a cup of humor and humiliation, to finish the recipe......me. ;)

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#485528 Feb 8, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Steve....You are right....I just posted and as I looked back it already had a "spam" icon...How does the Icon Fairy do that?
It takes an unbelievable amount of time spent on Topix just to begin with! One could probably go deeper as to why someone would spend so much time in a room they harbor such animosity towards. But if they want to be that big of a pain they can pay for their own shrink! LOL

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#485529 Feb 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I blame your church for teaching you to think this way.
The same way you blame churches for anything you don't like regardless if it dates back decades or regardless if it isn't the policy of the church overall but simply some people within it

At least you are back to being somewhat honest again. I am sure if I asked why you blame his church and not simply someone that may have influenced him within the church or how do you know he got any of these ideas from his church you would be back to saying what you meant by you blame his church is simply you want it to be run by volunteers!

Skomboli 'disease' is the one where you can't help but to call people on it when they aren't honest. Personally I think it is a good thing to have. You probably would see anything to do with honesty as an infection

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

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#485530 Feb 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I didn't blame you for my church experience. But this I condemn - always passing the blame from your god to something else, in this case, me.
No, I assure you that your god was not there - unless you think that it is so pathetically anemic that it can't be heard by somebody with his hand figuratively cupped to his hear and listening intently.

Condescending isn't the right word for how you sound. But this is equally offensive. You are essentially saying that my faith or some other aspect of my Christian walk was inferior.
First you tried to blame yourself and other Christians. I thanked you for the kind gesture, but explained that it was nobody's fault. But I guess it has to be somebody's fault with you, so it's mine now. I blame your church for teaching you to think this way. It just put a wedge between us that wasn't there yesterday. You expended the good will you had earned trying to absorb the blame when you turned it on me to defend the honor of your god.
What kind of god needs people like you to make excuses for its god performance?
Whatever will be will be, my friend. But, if you paid any attention to what it was I was trying to share with you, I wasn't so much placing blame on you as I was your so-called "spiritual leaders." What I was saying was that, had they known "God," then they could have shown you "God." But, apparently, they didn't. And because of that, you waited for "God" to call you up some mountain with a whole Broadway production to prove to you He exists instead of looking for "God" where He could be found.

Like I said...there are stipulations. And you weren't taught them. If I had said that "God" bows to my every whim when I needed Him to, you'd ridicule Him for being a puppet. But, you rejected Him for not being your puppet. I explained to you that such "performances," by "God," came to naught after the first century. The miracle at Pentecost was "God's" final effort at proving Himself to us. After that, we're left with a book and one another.

And I don't go to "church." Haven't since I was a boy. So, my "church" didn't teach me anything.

It was fun while it lasted. I'm sorry for offending you, as that wasn't my intention. But, what will be will be, I guess.

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#485531 Feb 8, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I think prayers absolutely are necessary.
There are so many positives just from being in a prayer state.
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.. I think sex absolutely necessary ..
.. there are so many positives just from being in a lustful state ..
<< a little levity or gross ?? >>
I have no problem with a little levity!

Although I am not sure how many positives come from being in that state. I know when my thinking is motivated from below the belt I tend to get myself in trouble normally! Not saying i would change that, just saying I am not sure I'd be promoting its state as a positive! I tend to do anything and agree to anything in that state!

"Oh sure I will wake up at 6am and give you a ride back to Michigan State tomorrow mnorning because I have absolutely nothing going on and love driving 2 hours on 30 minutes rest!"

~snicker
Knowledge

United States

#485532 Feb 8, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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hush hush from here old child of devil

My husband loves to hear me speak. He encourages my writing on these posts for theraphy. I am a much nicer person, after getting theraphy from you Dr. Shrink. Did you come from the Devil? Is that why your always accusing others that they came from the devil? Maybe a donkey, huh? That is why you always throw donkey dung. I have my beanie hat on now peaches. Missed me....LOl <;) Woe.....you almost hit Black Thunder, he is sitting in the bleachers with me, but we are protected by the plexy glass, so you just keep throwin that donkey dung I am prepared, my beanie hat is on now. I love you Dr. Shrink, did you not get enough love when your were little? Here is a big HUG just for you! Dracula Mamma loves you soooooooooo much. See what Dr. Shrinky did! Becareful what you wish for. Maybe Annie give you big hug too, make you feel better. Maybe everyone line up and give you big hugs today! <;)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#485533 Feb 8, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
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YOU are back! Do you have your beanie hat on, and safety glasses? I have made popcorn. and have cleaned the safety glass. Haven't sold tickets yet. He's backkkkkkkk! He's in cognito! See all the spam on most he don't like! He's aroundddddd.......Hiding he is scared is scared of this dracula momma! LOL Me thinks he is mad at Annie, she refuses to be bullied! LOL I told her to get on the website for the instructions for the beanie hat, you gave me...<;)
Jist make sure ya keeps the popcorn covered ...flies is nasty...an we'er runn'n low on rum ta purify the stuff with. Ther's a good chance we might haft'a light some hemp ta keep them pesky bugs cornfused, like them Greek orthylox fellas does!

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

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#485534 Feb 8, 2013
Overcoming Porn Addiction
Part 2



That word fornications "porneia" in the greek is where we get our word porn from. Porneia refers to unmarried hetero sex, homosexuality, bestiality and any other type of forno.

Btw, this is another subject but Jesus "did" speak on sexuality. We recognize the obvious but don't recognize the other points of perverseness because of language conflict.

Here is the original meaning of the word in the below link. I understand that everyone has their own freedoms... and most usually choose that which is popular and is a fad... but until the Word of God changes I will not be seduced into thinking otherwise. I will not be turned out into thinking that sex other than married sex is not sinful, in other words.

I don't necessarily care what non-Christians do regarding their views on sex because they don't know or adhere to Christ but will have to stand before the judgement of Christ anyways. And yes, as the scriptures say... we are the salt of the earth and I will continue to vote against the new mainstream of lukewarm Christians on this subject and the rest of the world against current issues such as homosexual marriage as long as is my right and/or ability. Those are simply my views.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

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#485535 Feb 8, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
Do you not believe that we will all have to face judgement? As in Juggement day?
I do, but that's not what I said.

My issue is that, while Doctor REALITY continues to evade answering my assertions that, as I believe, refutes what he's declared to be evidence that shuts "us" up, he also continues to tell others that they're going to be judged and what-not. I don't think that's fair, at all. But, things will be what they'll be.
Knowledge

United States

#485536 Feb 8, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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you are to old and to stupid, even your own fart husband don't want to smell your stinking diagested fat from free stolen food from
prisons
your beain is more tiny,it is like ant brain sticked in the fat body of elephant,
Biblical Scripture are to holy,to quote any of them to the idiots like you and mentaly sick
you need huge telescop to find my Biblical quotes,because you rat eyse are blind to the normal writings
fart as end of discussions with you
most all of you are devil children leaded by devil sermons church,and only rebuke is for all of you filthy bums,insult and accusations
wipe your face in the cow urine,and look at yourselves you crazy cyber MUTT
sesh
OH NO YOU DIDN'T! My beanie hat is on, so nanny nanny boo, boo, stick your nose in poo poo. I am still behind the plexi glass ! I am selling popcorn you are very entertaining! Please sir: Can I have some more? <;) LOL

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#485537 Feb 8, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. it's relatively easy to list all the corruption in organized religion and I don't think anyone would argue that it existed and still exists. The influence and power of organized religion must be limited, subjugated, because it pushes guilt, shame, fire and brimstone, the very opposite of freedom ..
.. you may say, "I don't agree with that philosophy, I'm not that type of Christian," but you silently agree to sustain a power structure that encourages atrocities and human misery by endorsing and advocating a belief system rife with hypocrisy. That makes you complicit ..
.. please don't think I'm targeting Christianity. There are bigots, hypocrites and power hungry clerics in all branches of religion including Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, even Buddhism. For me, belief or non-belief should always be a private matter ..
.. the very destructive nature of organized religion must be addressed or mankind will unconsciously stroll down a well-trodden historical path of war, poverty and human misery. That is AIN's, and my, contention ..
I appreciate the fact that you replied to even a challenging post to someone else in a respectful and thought-out manner. I hope this is a sign of future talks to comes. Let me say I understand to a degree what you are saying and while you aren't saying it only exists within the church there is no question some of these ideas if not generating there have grown within

However I disagree strongly that simply being a member makes on complicit. In what way? Does simply being an American make someone complicit when others exercise their first amendment rights? The organization itself does not teach anything you have an issue with for the most part. They recognize homosexuality as a sin. That is their only official position. Anything else comes from individuals exercising their rights from behind the pulpit. And people who disagree are not complicit. And more and more they express their own opinions or maybe they change churches or whatever. But nobody is responsible for what someone else does under the law. That is just how it goes.

I understand it is tempting to blame the whole group, innocent and guilty alike because the innocent haven't been able to stop it but there is no way to stop people from speaking their mind. And most people aren't going to walk away from prayer and fellowship and worship because say 1 out of their 3 priests has some ideas they don't agree with nor should they. Should you have to give up anything because Americans can use their right to speech to say things you don't agree with or else you would be considered complicit? What if the only gas station within miles of your house has an employee who personally doesn't like anyone gay. Do you screw yourself by not going there even though the owner never put him up to it? And if so do you find out what everybody believes for every place you go to? People are going to think what they want. Most the time you dismiss them as idiots and move on unless you feel they are doing real damage. Either way It doesn't make you complicit.
Knowledge

United States

#485538 Feb 8, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Jist make sure ya keeps the popcorn covered ...flies is nasty...an we'er runn'n low on rum ta purify the stuff with. Ther's a good chance we might haft'a light some hemp ta keep them pesky bugs cornfused, like them Greek orthylox fellas does!
I have had to chew some bubble gum to fix the tear in my beanie. Wow, with my ninja cat skills, I ducked to fast, ripped a hole in it. I have managed to repair it! I have asked for some more....I have a bat behind the bleachers, if one comes to close my ninja skills will hit a home run in a few minutes......LOL Donkey dung comes apart, so make sure your safety glasses are on! Batter up! Next! <;) hahahaheheeh This dracula mama with ninja kitty cat skills is prepared!

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#485539 Feb 8, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
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And I don't go to "church." Haven't since I was a boy. So, my "church" didn't teach me anything.
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Interesting

Whatever could have caused IANS to jump to such an erroneous conclusion?

After all, he just wants your church to have volunteers. Yet now it seems without any facts he blamed your church for how you think. I guess he is the only one who can think for himself in his mind.

No need to respond to this post brother. I know you are trying to get a dialogue going. I simply used it for my own reasons.

(T) Peace
Knowledge

United States

#485540 Feb 8, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I do, but that's not what I said.
My issue is that, while Doctor REALITY continues to evade answering my assertions that, as I believe, refutes what he's declared to be evidence that shuts "us" up, he also continues to tell others that they're going to be judged and what-not. I don't think that's fair, at all. But, things will be what they'll be.
Things will work out...:) I mean you both are Christians, so it has to, eventually!

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#485541 Feb 8, 2013
Adam wrote:
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I agree entirely with this sentiment. And often here people make the distinction between fundies and ordinary Christians. Personally I cannot see the benefit in bursting the bubble of ordinary Christians. To me I think it can be harsh to say to people "what you believe is rubbish" when they may be getting consolation during loss of a loved one, or comfort during a difficult time in their life. However the wingnut fundie "God hates gays" evilution types are fair game imo.
I would imagine there are those within the faith who have no use for that sort of stuff at all either. Many simply are trying to live their lives the best they can with the beliefs to guide them. Wherever they succeed or fail is on each individual but their goals normally are decent ones and so are their hearts and minds.

I saw a saying the other day that said "never judge a man by the worst day of his life or the best"

That saying could also easily say never judge an organization by its worst members or its best

(T) Peace

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#485542 Feb 8, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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The same way you blame churches for anything you don't like regardless if it dates back decades or regardless if it isn't the policy of the church overall but simply some people within it
At least you are back to being somewhat honest again. I am sure if I asked why you blame his church and not simply someone that may have influenced him within the church or how do you know he got any of these ideas from his church you would be back to saying what you meant by you blame his church is simply you want it to be run by volunteers!
Skomboli 'disease' is the one where you can't help but to call people on it when they aren't honest. Personally I think it is a good thing to have. You probably would see anything to do with honesty as an infection
Hi Skom :) if that's what Skomboli 'disease' is then I'm glad to have it. That part of his post is not what I referred to as insults btw.
<3
Knowledge

United States

#485543 Feb 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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I bet that was a beautiful sight. Sometimes things even though they cause so much destruction can be some of the most breath taking to observe.
I am glad to see that watching it inspired you so.
Must have missed his post. I thought he lives in America like over 36 years? Or today does he live on the mysterious island? Sorry, had to ask. He don't like me very well....<;)

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

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#485544 Feb 8, 2013
Have a good one! BTW, I don't want to get into an argument with anyone concerning my views on various points of sexuality... I'm just giving my views and beliefs concerning God's unshakable Word even though the whole world runs contrary to it.

Jesus is merciful... Praise the Lord... He also told the woman caught in the act of adultery to go and sin no more. Take care...

:)

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

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#485545 Feb 8, 2013
Knowledge wrote:
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I have had to chew some bubble gum to fix the tear in my beanie. Wow, with my ninja cat skills, I ducked to fast, ripped a hole in it. I have managed to repair it! I have asked for some more....I have a bat behind the bleachers, if one comes to close my ninja skills will hit a home run in a few minutes......LOL Donkey dung comes apart, so make sure your safety glasses are on! Batter up! Next! <;) hahahaheheeh This dracula mama with ninja kitty cat skills is prepared!
SEE? wadid I tell ya! Ain't it jist great be'n able ta watch the Azzcapades in person? It's jist so much more gooder then that TV stuff!

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