Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#485451 Feb 8, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
It seems, to me, that as this world hurls into chaos and destruction, that everyone seems to be waiting for someone, or something, to remedy the world's problems.
It seems that way to you because you have been trained to think that way, a characteristically Christian way of thinking. You see the world principally as a decadent and dangerous place that is getting worse, even as it gets better. And you project your own Christian psychology of sitting by helplessly waiting to be rescued. It's so negative, passive and disabling.

I blame your church for teaching you to think this way.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#485452 Feb 8, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
"Christians" await the return of Christ. Muslims are waiting for their Mahdi with Christ in tow. And unbelievers, generally, are, most likely, waiting on science.
Not this one.

There has never been a better time to be alive, and I have great hope and optimism for man and his future. To me life is good. People are mostly good and mostly trying to get along and do the right thing. The world is beautiful, and I am grateful to be allowed to participate in it, especially with so many gifts - freedom, a great education, a wonderful wife, good health, great friends, and retirement in paradise.

Everywhere around me, I see things to be optimistic about. It would be ungrateful of me to demean such a world.

As for science, it will likely solve many more problems, but I don't need it to, and I'm not waiting on it do so.
mike

AOL

#485453 Feb 8, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
One more thing....
Remember the Golden Rule.....
Whomever has the Gold...Makes the Rules
Will do something for me?...Please!

Find a video of "benny hinn" doing open-air healings,..tell me what you think.

Thanks

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#485454 Feb 8, 2013
Sora wrote:
<quoted text>
Bonsoir Madame Annie,
No quite the contrary, there are times when are thoughts run together and at times what we mean to say comes out the wrong way, does this make sense? As a linguist I speak multiple languages, furthermore I have been told my English is good but it is not my first. My mother tongues are Arabic,French,Greek and Wolof. When I posted this I needed time to translate my thoughts and feelings from one language to the next. In this case Czech. I apologize if it came out the wrong way, i would never wish to offend someone as wonderful as yourself. There are times when my fingers work faster than my brain I suppose this is the difference between Seraphine and myself. All people have their faults including myself. I again am deeply sorry for posting this to you and I beg your forgiveness. You have been very nice to us both and I thank you for that. I am dealing with a deeply internal struggle and I may not seem myself I apologize profusely. What I am dealing with is something that I buried within myself years ago *Wipes tears from eyes* something that I feel at times the guilt for myself is unbearable even though I have been told it was no fault of mine, but I beg to differ. Words spoken in haste can damage people beyond repair at times. I know this better than most because I deal with the afteraffect every day of my life. It involved my twin sister, a brilliant and blinding light in my world that burned out years ago and with it a part of my soul. Forgive me Annie, again this is not easy for me and what I am about to say I have not spoken of in eleven years. I need to tell my story and more importantly I need to feel....*Sighs* not so melancholic but shikoto ga nai.
No need to apologize Sora. I just did not understand so I thought it better to just ask instead of assuming that I knew what you meant. Don't worry about it.

I have lived a share of my life carrying guilt. It can become such a part of yourself that at times you don't even realize that you are basing your life upon that guilt.

If I remember correctly your sister committed suicide. My husband also chose that same way to end his life. When one chooses this act...they unknowingly leave behind victims. Victims that are filled with anger...questions...guilt...sh ame...sorrow.

The guilt is the hardest to deal with. We ask ourselves...what did I not do right...did I say the wrong thing...was I not enough...could I have prevented it. You are left with no one to be angry with...except yourself.

It took many years for me to get past that feeling of guilt. I knew in my heart that I was not at fault but my head kept convincing me that I was. When I would look in to face of my children...see their pain...not able to take it away...the guilt would even get tighter grip upon me.

Sora...there are not easy answers. An event took place in my life...actually a line that was thrown at me by a friend kiddingly...is what woke me up. At first what he said offended me...then I realized...he was right.

It felt as if I was finally able to crawl out from under that rock of guilt.

Sora...I will continue this in another post...as usual...I am out of room.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#485455 Feb 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
That is like saying all people who have no legs are just refusing to walk. How does one know that everyone can be just like them. Maybe many are born "NOT" to find God ? Even Jesus said only a few will. It is like a rich person saying that anyone who is poor chose to be that way.
Good post. Thanks.

You've captured the essence of what I was trying to share with Brother Lee Love about how offensive placing such blame is.

I have a list of such offensive practices by proselytizing Christians. Maybe this would be a good time to bring it back out. Unfortunately, it usually evokes some hostile and defensive reactions. But it's a fun read. Brother's offense is on there - in the last spot :

IRRITATING, OFFENSIVE and DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIORS COMMON AMONG THEISTS

Adapted from http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheiststh...

[1] Telling us what it is that we believe, especially that we claim that there is no god

[2] Unsolicited (which is all of it) preaching and proselytizing

[3] Referring to atheism as a religion, saying that atheism requires faith, or calling an atheist a fundamentalist

[4] Trying to prove something by quoting the Bible

[5] Threatening nonbelievers with damnation

[6] Pretending that you don't have the burden of proof

[7] Using cut and paste arguments from others that you can't defend

[8] Repeating arguments that have already been refuted and rejected

[9] Saying that we believe nothing, that our lives are without purpose or meaning, or that we have no basis for moral behavior

[10] Announce that you'll be praying for us

[11] Invoking Pascal’s Wager, which says that there is everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in Jesus. Also, Employing the No True Scotsman fallacy, straw man arguments, and other common fallacies.

[12] Telling us that we can’t or don’t understand the Bible.

[13] Saying that we hate your god, are rebelling against your god, or really believe in a god

[14] Misrepresenting science knowledge.

[15] Blaming secularism for the deaths caused by zealous ideologues like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

[16] Telling me that the reason I left Christianity is that my faith was inferior.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#485456 Feb 8, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Cheers ~ he is doing very well.... Hope your doggy is also :)
All's well on the canine front. They had a special treat at breakfast this morning: I cut up a chicken breast for them. Inhaled.
mike

AOL

#485457 Feb 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post. Thanks.
You've captured the essence of what I was trying to share with Brother Lee Love about how offensive placing such blame is.
I have a list of such offensive practices by proselytizing Christians. Maybe this would be a good time to bring it back out. Unfortunately, it usually evokes some hostile and defensive reactions. But it's a fun read. Brother's offense is on there - in the last spot :
IRRITATING, OFFENSIVE and DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIORS COMMON AMONG THEISTS
Adapted from http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheiststh...
[1] Telling us what it is that we believe, especially that we claim that there is no god
[2] Unsolicited (which is all of it) preaching and proselytizing
[3] Referring to atheism as a religion, saying that atheism requires faith, or calling an atheist a fundamentalist
[4] Trying to prove something by quoting the Bible
[5] Threatening nonbelievers with damnation
[6] Pretending that you don't have the burden of proof
[7] Using cut and paste arguments from others that you can't defend
[8] Repeating arguments that have already been refuted and rejected
[9] Saying that we believe nothing, that our lives are without purpose or meaning, or that we have no basis for moral behavior
[10] Announce that you'll be praying for us
[11] Invoking Pascal’s Wager, which says that there is everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in Jesus. Also, Employing the No True Scotsman fallacy, straw man arguments, and other common fallacies.
[12] Telling us that we can’t or don’t understand the Bible.
[13] Saying that we hate your god, are rebelling against your god, or really believe in a god
[14] Misrepresenting science knowledge.
[15] Blaming secularism for the deaths caused by zealous ideologues like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
[16] Telling me that the reason I left Christianity is that my faith was inferior.
Bravo!

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#485458 Feb 8, 2013
To SORA

Sora...I know at times that you find nothing but pain and sorrow from the death of your sister. But I am a firm believer that...

Good can come from all things but only if we look for it...allow it to happen...recognize it when it does...even the largest of our tragedies.

One night I was out shopping...it was late so the store was almost empty. I went to pay for my purchases and there was a woman behind the counter...a complete stranger. She stood not moving...just staring at me. Then she asked...can I talk to you about something. I had some spare time so I said sure.

Tears started running down her face as she told me about a loved one that had committed suicide. I could feel her pain through her words. At the end she said that she did not know why that she felt as if she could talk to me...just that she knew she could and that I would understand.

She rang up my purchases and then with a smile on her face said thank you. I have never seen her since that night but I know that for a few minutes of her life that she was able to talk to someone.

There have been many times that I have had people talk to me about their experiences...someone who understood what they were going through. Would I change what happened to me if I could...yes...but I would not want to give up the lessons that I learned from those experiences.

Sora...IMO...the death of your sister will have been in vain if you can not make something good come from it. Feeling guilty will not change the tragedy of her death. It is up to you to find a way to change that tragedy into a gift...the gift of helping others that might be hurting.

There is no right way or wrong way to get through such an event. No one can tell your how to do that. It is up to you to find the way. It is hard...hard giving up that guilt that has become such a part of your life. It is almost frightening in a way. I will admit...it becomes such a huge part that when you finally let go of it...there is a big hole left where it once resided. You have to find a way to fill that hole...possibly with that good that comes out of it.

I understand Sora...it sounds easy...it is the most difficult thing that I have ever done...letting go of the guilt.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#485459 Feb 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post. Thanks.
You've captured the essence of what I was trying to share with Brother Lee Love about how offensive placing such blame is.
I have a list of such offensive practices by proselytizing Christians. Maybe this would be a good time to bring it back out. Unfortunately, it usually evokes some hostile and defensive reactions. But it's a fun read. Brother's offense is on there - in the last spot :
IRRITATING, OFFENSIVE and DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIORS COMMON AMONG THEISTS
Adapted from http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheiststh...
[1] Telling us what it is that we believe, especially that we claim that there is no god
[2] Unsolicited (which is all of it) preaching and proselytizing
[3] Referring to atheism as a religion, saying that atheism requires faith, or calling an atheist a fundamentalist
[4] Trying to prove something by quoting the Bible
[5] Threatening nonbelievers with damnation
[6] Pretending that you don't have the burden of proof
[7] Using cut and paste arguments from others that you can't defend
[8] Repeating arguments that have already been refuted and rejected
[9] Saying that we believe nothing, that our lives are without purpose or meaning, or that we have no basis for moral behavior
[10] Announce that you'll be praying for us
[11] Invoking Pascal’s Wager, which says that there is everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in Jesus. Also, Employing the No True Scotsman fallacy, straw man arguments, and other common fallacies.
[12] Telling us that we can’t or don’t understand the Bible.
[13] Saying that we hate your god, are rebelling against your god, or really believe in a god
[14] Misrepresenting science knowledge.
[15] Blaming secularism for the deaths caused by zealous ideologues like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
[16] Telling me that the reason I left Christianity is that my faith was inferior.
You left one off...you left Christianity so that you could live a life of sin. You know...sex...drugs...partying. ..

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#485461 Feb 8, 2013
mike wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks Epi
How is your GOD glorified with open-air prayer?
Do you meditate and ponder before you pray?
Do you sweat great drops while praying?
When does a GOD answer your prayers?
How does it go!...pray in the open and you will be rewarded in private.
Are your prayers sincere?...is it your goal to be known as the person who post prayers?
Women don't sweat...we perspire...and not in great drops...our skin just gets moist.

Geesh...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#485462 Feb 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
It seems that way to you because you have been trained to think that way, a characteristically Christian way of thinking. You see the world principally as a decadent and dangerous place that is getting worse, even as it gets better. And you project your own Christian psychology of sitting by helplessly waiting to be rescued. It's so negative, passive and disabling.
I blame your church for teaching you to think this way.
Have to agree with you on that.

Perhaps by not accepting any religion's doctrines, I have to accept responsibility for my own beliefs.

Maybe everyone just wants a scapegoat ? Oh wait! Isn't that the whole of Christian ideology ?

Not sure why people are so afraid to face the consequences of their actions.

Something sick about relishing in having Jesus tortured and murder for his thought crimes to avoid one's own deserved fate.
Sounds like the desires of cowards.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#485463 Feb 8, 2013
Sora wrote:
<quoted text>
Bonsoir Madame Annie,
It is I once again. There are times when feelings are unable to be expressed, I trust you have read my previous post to you. I am heartbroken my dear. It comes and it goes, sometimes it lasts long and other times it is fleeting like a cloud. This poem is in memorium of my twin sister, I loved her Madame Annie. So much so that when she died I emotionally became closed off. This poem of Alfred Tennyson's shall express the inexpressable for me, please tell me what your observations are:
Tears, Idle Tears
Tears, idle tears, I know not what they mean,
Tears from the depth of some divine despair
Rise in the heart, and gather to the eyes,
In looking on the happy autumn-fields,
And thinking of the days that are no more.
Fresh as the first beam glittering on a sail,
That brings our friends up from the underworld,
Sad as the last which reddens over one
That sinks with all we love below the verge;
So sad, so fresh, the days that are no more.
Ah, sad and strange as in dark summer dawns
The earliest pipe of half-awaken'd birds
To dying ears, when unto dying eyes
The casement slowly grows a glimmering square;
So sad, so strange, the days that are no more.
Dear as remembered kisses after death,
And sweet as those by hopeless fancy feign'd
On lips that are for others; deep as love,
Deep as first love, and wild with all regret;
O Death in Life, the days that are no more!
*Sobs*
It is a beautiful poem Sora.

I had this thought the other day...

Tears are given to to be able to release what we hold inside...whether they be tears of sorrow or tears of joy.

Here is a poem that you might enjoy.

Tears In A Bottle
by Deborah Ann Belka

There is a bottle up in heaven,
filling up with all your tears.
Drop by drop the Lord collects,
the full harvest of your fears.

There is not a tear that falls,
where He is not aware.
For He understands each drip,
and the cause of your despair.

When tears of unhappiness,
are followed up with grief.
He garners them in His vial,
and sends peace for your relief.

He knows the real reason,
as He gathers up your pain.
And all your hurtful tears,
to Him become like rain.

He reaps each tender trickle,
with His mercies from above.
Collects them in His bottle,
and caps them with His love.

====

And some beautiful scriptures about tears...

Revelation 21:4

He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

Psalm 126:5

Those who sow in tears shall reap with shouts of joy!

Psalm 56:8

You have kept count of my tossings; put my tears in your bottle. Are they not in your book?

Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#485464 Feb 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
You left one off...you left Christianity so that you could live a life of sin. You know...sex...drugs...partying. ..
You suppose to apologizy publicaly dr Shrink
for accusation spreaded around dr Shrink that dr shrink made story with lesbian g_o_d who admited publicaly he/she is lesbian with hot kisses and velvet hands

just If you wish to restore good opinions about you
YOU HAVE TO APOLOGIZE HONEST HUMBEL CHILD OF GOD NAMED DR SHRINK,

NOT ONE TIME,ONLY FEW TIMES TILL 12 TIMES

OK?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#485465 Feb 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Women don't sweat...we perspire...and not in great drops...our skin just gets moist.
Geesh...
Now I'm starting to sweat. LOL
Knowledge

United States

#485466 Feb 8, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post. Thanks.
You've captured the essence of what I was trying to share with Brother Lee Love about how offensive placing such blame is.
I have a list of such offensive practices by proselytizing Christians. Maybe this would be a good time to bring it back out. Unfortunately, it usually evokes some hostile and defensive reactions. But it's a fun read. Brother's offense is on there - in the last spot :
IRRITATING, OFFENSIVE and DISRESPECTFUL BEHAVIORS COMMON AMONG THEISTS
Adapted from http://atheism.about.com/od/atheismatheiststh...
[1] Telling us what it is that we believe, especially that we claim that there is no god
[2] Unsolicited (which is all of it) preaching and proselytizing
[3] Referring to atheism as a religion, saying that atheism requires faith, or calling an atheist a fundamentalist
[4] Trying to prove something by quoting the Bible
[5] Threatening nonbelievers with damnation
[6] Pretending that you don't have the burden of proof
[7] Using cut and paste arguments from others that you can't defend
[8] Repeating arguments that have already been refuted and rejected
[9] Saying that we believe nothing, that our lives are without purpose or meaning, or that we have no basis for moral behavior
[10] Announce that you'll be praying for us
[11] Invoking Pascal’s Wager, which says that there is everything to gain and nothing to lose by believing in Jesus. Also, Employing the No True Scotsman fallacy, straw man arguments, and other common fallacies.
[12] Telling us that we can’t or don’t understand the Bible.
[13] Saying that we hate your god, are rebelling against your god, or really believe in a god
[14] Misrepresenting science knowledge.
[15] Blaming secularism for the deaths caused by zealous ideologues like Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.
[16] Telling me that the reason I left Christianity is that my faith was inferior.
So, forgive me but, how would you like for someone to approach you about Jesus? You have to remember, you are on a forum as Why Should Jesus Love Me? I could understand you being upset on the topix page Why I am No Longer a Christian... But, you are not on this subject, and you will receive many people and different views from Christians to try to help you understand "Why Jesus Should Love You". I don't believe they mean you any harm. Just remember your not on an Atheist or Nonbeliever site. Have a heart,to each Christian, they only have your best interest at heart, they all just have different ways in doing it.

To be honest, I think most people leave their faith because they do not want to be saddled with any rules and most certainly don't want to pay out any money. They simply don't want to be bothered, leaving their living rooms on Sunday to miss football or basketball, whatever .... Am I wrong?People can say and make lists and make excuses all they want. But when it comes down to it, I believe those three reasons above except for few people are the most popular hands down. Most people just can't tell the people for feeling guilty,feeling it will make them look bad. But,common, it is what it is. In this society, both spouses work, they are off on the weekends, and they do not want to spare the time or money.Some people have been done wrong, and I understand that, they have to work that out for themselves. But being in church most of my life. I have been in the Baptists and Pentecostal churches and worked in them. The majority has usually always ruled. Let's see, a nice brand new expensensive 2nd car payment, or paying church tithes? Just my observation in life, with others.Most people are not evil, they would just rather live in a much more elaborate homes, expensive clothes, lots of toys and vehicles...but they might believe, they just don't have enough evidence , or someone was mean to them, or don't have time, the list goes on and on. I get it, except for the "real atheists" by their own studies.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#485467 Feb 8, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Edit ians...and the reason you changed your clain (until I found the post) is because I said if you concede the possibility that creator gods exist then how can you state for sure the God Christians believe in and believe created the world isnt the very same creator God? So then you denied you ever said creator gods may exist. you do this all the time. You have been called on it many times. I guarantee i can find posts of you saying u want to reduce the church's influence in politics and society. Why would u even pretend I got that wrong? Of course that is what you want. But since now you realize you cant provide sufficiant justification for whom you would target to do this you change ur claim. it is the same reason u switched to the church in the abstract is who u have issue with yet claim you want it to be nothing but volunteers so clearly ur issue is with the organization thats in place now but realized you cant fairly blame the whole organization.Ppl who arent honest are exhausting to try to talk to.
.. it's relatively easy to list all the corruption in organized religion and I don't think anyone would argue that it existed and still exists. The influence and power of organized religion must be limited, subjugated, because it pushes guilt, shame, fire and brimstone, the very opposite of freedom ..

.. you may say, "I don't agree with that philosophy, I'm not that type of Christian," but you silently agree to sustain a power structure that encourages atrocities and human misery by endorsing and advocating a belief system rife with hypocrisy. That makes you complicit ..

.. please don't think I'm targeting Christianity. There are bigots, hypocrites and power hungry clerics in all branches of religion including Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, even Buddhism. For me, belief or non-belief should always be a private matter ..

.. the very destructive nature of organized religion must be addressed or mankind will unconsciously stroll down a well-trodden historical path of war, poverty and human misery. That is AIN's, and my, contention ..
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#485468 Feb 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Women don't sweat...we perspire...and not in great drops...our skin just gets moist.
Geesh...
because they don't urinate to often and all moisture from urines make sweat their ugly everyday older wrinkled fat skin and body

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#485469 Feb 8, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I think prayers absolutely are necessary.

There are so many positives just from being in a prayer state.
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think physical exercise absolutely is necessary.
There are so many positives just from being in an exercise state.
.. I think sex absolutely necessary ..

.. there are so many positives just from being in a lustful state ..

<< a little levity or gross ?? >>

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#485470 Feb 8, 2013
Good Morning Folks... Happy Birthday Drew. Ians, I was looking through and saw your replies. Going to have to respond to these at a much slower pace so I can do some research on much of these terms and how it relates to my own views on God and Their creation.
Knowledge

United States

#485471 Feb 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
<quoted text>
Women don't sweat...we perspire...and not in great drops...our skin just gets moist.
Geesh...
Evidently Annie, you haven't watched Honey Boo Boo's mom on television. If you have no idea what I am talking about, check it out ! You will never laugh so hard in all your life! LOL

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