Why Should Jesus Love Me?

[harpocrates]

Brother Lee Love wrote:

<quoted text>The new covenant is just a changing of the sacrificial subject. Sacrifice, though, is still the same. Sacrifice is still based on blood. And what the blood of the sacrifice was to fulfill is still fulfilled. But, I'm sure that even you can agree that the blood of animals really doesn't equate with the blood that should be shed, and that's ours. And that's why Yahowshua chose to be that sacrifice. Just another spectacular example of the most High's understanding and mercy, to allow us to kill an animal as our substitute.
<quoted text>Which is why Yahowshua's sacrifice means that the desired result of animal sacrifice is fulfilled and not done away with.
<quoted text>..like the conditions of heaven, on this earth.
<quoted text>..which is why certain aspects of the law were fulfilled in and by Yahowshua. This, again, means that those particular laws weren't done away with, but fulfilled. Only the sacrificial subject changed, but all else stayed the same. Return to the top for further explanation.
<quoted text>How about shaving our heads and faces? Is that forbidden, too?

the scales of justice

Revelation 6:5
And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

and he judges and wars

Revelation 19:11
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

[G_O_D]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Just as you will likely die without Allah - because that's what you chose. What a bitch it would be if you got punished for eternity for it. You'd probably be arguing that you did the best you could - made the best choice you were able to make given the life you born into, the type of mind you were given, and what it showed to you.
And you would be tossed into whatever Allah tosses his rejects into, with Muslims everywhere telling you that it was your fault for being so defiant to Allah.
You'd say that you guessed wrong, and they'd say no, that you hardened your heart to Allah. After all, they might tell you, how many times did you refuse Allah, who was in every cloud and flower? It was your choice, and now you will be punished for it forever.
Think about that for a moment. That's essentially what you just told me. I have no more chance of finding Jesus than you do of finding Allah. And it's the injustice of such a doctrine that assures you that it is anthropogenic, not divine.
In fact, if such a god as Jehovah or Allah actually existed, we'd all be screwed anyway. So, it's really quite easy to ignore both.

Excellent post!!!!!!!

[harpocrates]

G_O_D wrote:

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Paul is the only one who mentions it. It is not in the OT at all.
Paul said you should cut your dick off, too. Did you do that ?
I guess that Bible is just for hating others for that which YOU are guilty of.
Oh! Ye of little faith!
If anyone had the faith of a mustard seed in their Bible, they would be missing their eyes, hands, tongues and genitals.

the smallest of seeds = pituitary gland and the axis mundi connection

where in all the birds of heavens are all gathered together.

plumed serpent quetzalcoatl and the world tree

http://www.mayankids.com/mmkbeliefs/worldtree...

odin and the yggdrasil(the horse) at the base gnaws the serpent and two birds rest upon wotan's shoulders. the wandering wonderer.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ygg...

[G_O_D]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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"You may say to yourselves,“How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed." - Deuteronomy 18:21-22
Jesus never returned. And nobody has moved a mountain with faith.
And we all know what happens to false prophets, of course:
"But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”- Deuteronomy 18:20
I'll bet that that scripture came up at Jesus' trial by the Sanhedrin.

In 1st century Judaism, claiming to be the Messiah was not a sin, however claiming to be a prophet was. They believed (and most still do) that "age of prophecy" was over.
However they would have to convince Pilate that Jesus was a threat and thus get him to admit that he claimed to be the Messiah and then explain to Pilate that the Messiah was "The King of the Jews" they would surely get Pilate to find him guilty of treason.

It is pretty simple to figure out and makes far more sense than the fantasy trial on 'John'.

[Truths]

G_O_D wrote:

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Interesting point!

I agree! It is written so right to the point and so concise- amazing to have not seen it written before. It is so very true!

[Truths]

Doctor REALITY wrote:

<quoted text>Wow,Deb,you should have been an NFL coach.....:(

Do ya' think the 49ers will be hiring??(c;

[Truths]

LAWEST100 wrote:

<quoted text> Good morning ((((Deb))))) I didn't get into the commercials too much, my attention was already divided between the game and posting on the thread at the same time, lol.

I stayed away from the computer until the black out~

[G_O_D]

trifecta1 wrote:

<quoted text>panties is clothing. The civil laws are based on the 10 commandments.....

That is the greatest misconception in the USA.

Please do get an education. American History 101 at a college near you. Pay close attention to the "Age of Enlightenment" part.

[Truths]

mike wrote:

<quoted text>Thanks
Can you point-out where a GOD doesn't show "Mercy","Love ", or "Grace"?

No- I can't. He has to do what He says He will- in order to honor the promises made to the faithful- regarding all things- also toward what heaven is like. Which He promises will house no sin what so ever.

[Doctor REALITY]

Truths wrote:

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Do ya' think the 49ers will be hiring??(c;

For what?? Cheerleaders?? I don't think they'd be interested in a 'Golden Girl' your age,Deb. LOL. ;) Night!: http://www.bing.com/videos/search...

[Skombolis]

G_O_D wrote:

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Excellent post!!!!!!!

I admit that is something I have pondered as well. I wonder sometimes if the organized religion part of spiritualitty may hinder a walk in some areas. I enjoy studying the Bible. I enjoy learning it and debating it. I think for those that it works as a tool to be more of the mind to know God it gives focus to our faith. But I think it is important we get to know God as individuals and try to incororate as much as we can into our daily walk. Geography, parents, society, etc all have played a role into the faith we have embraced. Were we predestined to live where we do and if that was the case the many would be condemned without much of a chance. The Bible does say one can know God without ever hearing the gospel. Now of course that is diff than those who know it and left it but still it seems it wouldnt be a negative to witness where one would be better off not knowing and simply believing a higher power exists. So will God take into...cont

[lil whispers]

Black Thunder 42 wrote:

<quoted text> LOL! A quip from the "honeymooners".

lol and here I thought you had a real gun tottin Alice.

[G_O_D]

trifecta1 wrote:

<quoted text>oye!lol!
I not infringe. If you is a woman, and you have a woman in you house right now doing immoral perverse homosexual acts, I can't infringe on that. I can't do nothing about that and I no want to do anything about that, that your business and your thing.
But you want to know my discussion behind how I view homosexuality as I do and I tell you. I write my opinions and discussions on the billboard, and you write back. We discussing, that all. But I no want to infringe on no one behavior. Jesus made us all free moral agents to choose. A person want to choose homosexuality fine. But if they want to discuss it in public, then I going to write my views and defend my views.

That is a fair stance. Thanks!

[Truths]

Black Thunder 42 wrote:

<quoted text> Y'know...I never really checked "Lost Wages" stats on it, but I would suspect that. Games with that much uncertainty of outcome should be avoided anyway(for wager). Then one can actually enjoy the contest. LOL!

I agree- tho' husband paid out a total of $20 for several boxes in score pools~ He made his money back in the second Q. He knows I have fun charting and watching the scores to see if we win (c:

[Skombolis]

Cont...those who may have His teachings enscribed in their hearts and who by their actions show they live by his will that we love one another even if they have come to know him differently? can all roads go thru Christ even if we are not aware of it? I dont know. I have always said for me I believe there is no other way. I have come to know God this way therefore to turn my back on my faith for me would be to turn my back on God. But I wonder.(T) Peace

[G_O_D]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>It is up to each of us to see it the way we believe GOD will be seeing it ~ some things just do not add up;
Thou shalt not kill....
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart....
These are the messages and Statutes we have received from GOD and there is indeed conflict between word and word. It is my honest opinion that this is why GOD & JESUS decided, between them, that a human being sent by GOD was needed, a Son of GOD, one that has never been before nor been since.
Let the Angels win the wars and let man(kind) put down their weapons of destruction, sit back and enjoy life as it is to be enjoyed.... IMHO :)

So God commited suicide because the book he wrote was a contradictory mess that no human could ever understand ?

That actually makes a lot of sense.
Based on the NT, I think God should kill himself again.

[Knowledge]

Seraphine wrote:

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Bonsoir mon ami, I am pleased to know that you are still alive, albeit in pain. Feel better and may you recover soon.

Thank you. Are you french? My grandfather's heritage came from France in the early 1900's to America.

[LAWEST100]

AnnieJ wrote:

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I don't know about that Lawless...the other morning he seemed to be obsessed with mules.
On the serious side though...I wonder where in his journey as a Christian did he begin to believe that this is what his God would want.
He is WSJLM's Fred Phelps.

Lawless?????.....

[Truths]

zander714 wrote:

There was a time when I thought that God had really let me down. I had to come to the realization that God knew the future. He knew what was best. It most certainly did not seem the best to me, but then again, I don't have the mind of God. I have the mind of Denie, frail, imperfect, human.

Excellent~

[Brother Lee Love]

Grace Walker wrote:

___God's grace does not depend on our efforts or works it totally depends upon God.
(Romans 9:15-16 NIV) For he says to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
{16} It does NOT, therefore, depend on MANS desire or MANS effort, but on "God's mercy".. Of course BLL wont believe this.

My dear, Grace Walker...

I wish that just once, you would read the whole bible and learn it so that you can learn what it says, in context.

Romans 9 was Paul's explanation to "God's" choosing of Israel and the reason the most High showed such mercy, or otherwise, to either, certain individuals, or whole nations. He began by explaining how that Isaac and Jacob were chosen even before they had done either, righteousness, or unrighteousness. By the time we read verses 15 and 16, the same in which you quoted, he was making reference to the time when the most High decided to allow Moses to gaze upon him, but only the back of Him. Then, he gave another example as to how the most High allowed Pharaoh to rise to such prominence even though the Egyptians, in general, were an unrighteous nation. And what was His reason for raising up Pharaoh? To build up Israel! And this was Paul's point, overall. Paul was explaining how that all that occurs in man's history is to fulfill His overall intention. And His overall intention has everything to do with Abraham, Isaac, and Israel.

In the end, yes. The most High will show mercy to whomever He chooses, and otherwise. But, that's not His normal mode of operation. And that's why Paul, throughout chapter 9, was given us specific examples of this. Paul's overall point was to explain why Israel, at that time, seemed to be abandoned by the most High while the Gentiles seemed to be receiving all "God's" favor, even though Israel was still part of the most High's overall intention. But, all in all, Paul's concern was that Israel come to accept our anointed Savior. As written, Paul was even willing to sacrifice himself for Israel's sake if the most High would allow and accept it. And this takes us into chapter 10.

In chapter 10, we read of Paul explaining Israel's errors. And by the time we get to verse 19, we read of the most High's intention, again. Here, it says, "I will provoke [Israel] to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger [Israel]." And as we await the fulfillment of this prophecy, the most High will allow some to excel while others, He might hinder. But, what was Paul's overall point? Nothing that no man, or nation, can do can alter what's going to take place. The kingdom will be established! And the promises made to Abraham will come to pass!

Does this mean that the most High intervenes in all of man's affairs? Indeed, not! And in this, I offer the following...

"And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before Yahoweh. And, behold, Yahoweh passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before Yahoweh; but Yahoweh was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but Yahoweh was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but Yahoweh was not in the fire."

My reason for quoting the above verse is because unless we understand this, too, we'll not completely understand Romans 9.

Thank you for your time and consideration.