“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483912 Feb 4, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
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"The WHOLE of science and atheism are 2 very different things"
Agreed

Since: Mar 10

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#483913 Feb 4, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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That is silly LeLe
Drew is not my foe
But once again he refused to answer most of what I asked him
He won't tell me what of any teachings of Jesus Christ he feels still apply today and he won't tell me what it is he can observe in others to know they are saved
Yet he has no problem telling people who believe all of Christ's teachings apply today that they need God to open their eyes and to claim he knows who is a real Christian
If someone is going to make such statements the ought to have the decency to at least answer someone and show them what in the Bible they are basing that on.
I know some people like the freedom to just go around and tell people they are blind or of the devil or are not a real Christian but what good comes from that? And every time I have tried to ease back and get into a respectful exchange even though comments like that bother me he has shown time and time again he simply will refuse to answer yet year after year keeps telling people they are blind and need God to open their eyes
I think there is something wrong with that
But again, just plain silly to think I am a foe of Drew or that it upsets me he doesn't condemn someone. I have never condemned anyone in my life so why would it bother me he hasn't? we don't have the right to. Just like i don't think we have the right to claim we know who is saved
I think what bothers many OSAS supporters is they know people refuse to interpret scripture so all they have left is the red herring and to try to make it about someone's character.
hi Skom,

I wasn't referring to you in general.
It amazes me thst every time Drew posts, there are people who
come down on him pretty hard.

I see in him a spirit of Love and one that wants ALL to succeed.
I do believe his knowledge and intellect intimidates some here,
and that is the reason they feel they must discredit him.
(human nature and all..)

I know I have been put in the category of the OSAS posters..
I think there is a problem when labeling people.. I do not
believe once we are "saved" we can go on and commit all kinds
of wrongs against human kind.. I do not believe those who believe
OSAS are saying this either.. it's, for me, once God is in your heart, He isn't ever leaving.. I believe we can take that to the bank.
So, the people who want to waste their (everyone's) time
condeming other peeps to hell,well, I believe that's just a waste of time..and, a shameful way to represent Christ.

And, btw Skom,:) if you want to talk about being silly,
how about you taking on that challenge of keeping quiet for ten days..lol.
Wow!
Was happy you saw the light there.

Keep on keeping on ,my friend..
:)
I read all your posts and am thankful you are here!

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#483914 Feb 4, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Who are Atheists?
The truth is, every man has been given a measure of faith. Where they "choose" to put that faith is ultimately up to them. Faith can be strengthened in whatever area they choose which means they will have doubts in other areas. That is why people find worth or value in something ---> (worth+ship = worship)...
Obviously you worship, I mean, find your worth in atheism or agnosticism.
uh oh...you in trouble now!

Not long ago I made a similar statement...we all believe in something even if it is just in mankind.

I was corrected really quickly that was not the case.

You know...I will just let Karl handle it from here.

I however agree with your statement...IMO we all put our faith into something...even if that something is ourselves. I don't know that I would call it "worship" in all cases as we use that term normally but without belief...what is there?

Just cold hard facts? Maybe that is okay for some...I wouldn't know how "not believing in anything" feels.

I once asked a friend who is atheist how it felt to believe in only yourself...he couldn't answer...he hadn't ever looked at it that way.

When I feel the wind kiss on my face
I am reminded of those gifts of grace

Some never feel the wind on their face
They are busy trying to win an obscure race.

That is my thoughts as the wind kisses my face.
ajc

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#483915 Feb 4, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Morning. Hey,I'd like to dedicate this song to your horney little avatar friend. Enjoy!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =drVYvZ2cqHQXX
So...the mule had a headache this morning?

DR...I no longer click on your links.

Thank you though for your Christlike Christian thoughts.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#483916 Feb 4, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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my third cousin is saved
wahoooo
PAR-TAY!!!
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#483917 Feb 4, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>The 49ers have nothing to be ashamed of. They're a superb team. But that 109 yard kickoff return is what doomed 'em.
Just think,take away that ridiculous 109 yard kick-off return at the start of the third quarter,and that deliberate safety by the Ravens in the last seconds of the game,and the 49ers would have been leading 29-27. I didn't keep up with pro football this year,but from what I saw last night,I still think the 49ers were the better team...especially after the lights came back on.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#483918 Feb 4, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I haven't seen one since my mother stopped collecting them in the sixties. She also collected Blue Chip stamps and Viceroy (cigarette) coupons. I used to tease her that she could redeem them for an iron lung.
My mother collected S&H stamps and Top Value ones. It is how she got us Christmas every year. If they didn't have it at the redemption center...we didn't get it. There were times we got some strange gifts!

Our dish towels and "crystal" came from the flour and the oatmeal. Dang I wish they would still do that.

Have you noticed...Cracker Jacks no longer puts good stuff in their boxes...just junk?
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#483919 Feb 4, 2013
Truths wrote:
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Ravens held off against the 49ers energy plays~ wow- GOOD GAME.
Morning,Deb. Uh.....what's an 'energy play',Deb??

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#483920 Feb 4, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
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The truth is,
Oh man, you wouldn't know the "truth" if it was sitting right
beside you..

Stop playing preacher! Please!
Honestly, take a back seat (for once) and try to learn what God's will
for man is..

You might be surprised what you find..

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483921 Feb 4, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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.... In fact I said this, "Only when we are reborn and given a new life through the Holy Spirit by faith in Jesus are our sins forgiven."
I understand that is what you believe.
However, that is an interpretation based on select sections of the Bible. There are many, many other interpretations.
Those that believe other interpretations are as convinced that their's is "Truth".

The problem is none of you can prove any of it. If you could there would never be an arguement about it.

I believe what I do about the Bible, God and Jesus and am willing to learn more ....even if I discover that my prior beliefs were in error. THAT is IMHO the problem with most of you.

"These things I believe, I believe with all my heart. However when met with overwhelming evidence to the contrary I will abandon those beliefs in an instant."

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#483922 Feb 4, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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Yesterday as I read about people and their fruits...I kept thinking...
Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
I think most would consider the other guy's fruit as the source of the fruit flies that were swarming about.
In your opinion...
Do you think that there should have been another verse or two...
Harvest your fruit before it becomes over ripe and falls to the ground.
For once it has fallen and left unattended becomes as the fruit that fell from the bad tree.
They both will attract the fruit fly.
On as side not...we all know how pesty and how difficult it is to get rid of those annoying little buggers!
Oh well...I started out to be serious but my mind just wouldn't go there.:-)
Good morning (((((Annie)))))) Those scriptures exist but with different wording (c:

John 15
New International Version (NIV)

The Vine and the Branches
15 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful. 3 You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. 6 If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 7 If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. 8 This is to my Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit, showing yourselves to be my disciples.
~*~

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#483923 Feb 4, 2013
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

John 15:9 “As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you.
Now remain in my love.
10 If you keep my commands,
you will remain in my love,
just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
11 I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete.
12 My command is this:
Love each other as I have loved you.
13 Greater love has no one than this:
to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
14 You are my friends if you do what I command. 15 I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you. 17 This is my command: Love each other.
The World Hates the Disciples
18 “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember what I told you:‘A servant is not greater than his master.’ If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin; but now they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Whoever hates me hates my Father as well. 24 If I had not done among them the works no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. As it is, they have seen, and yet they have hated both me and my Father. 25 But this is to fulfill what is written in their Law:‘They hated me without reason.’

The Work of the Holy Spirit
26 “When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me. 27 And you also must testify, for you have been with me from the beginning.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#483924 Feb 4, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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So...the mule had a headache this morning?
DR...I no longer click on your links.
Thank you though for your Christlike Christian thoughts.
...shake shake shake!!!!

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#483925 Feb 4, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Morning,Deb. Uh.....what's an 'energy play',Deb??
When they GOT the ball and KEPT it- and forcefully MOVED (c:

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483926 Feb 4, 2013
Just a few points to ponder.
There were many forms of Gnosticism.
We only have documents from two allegedly gnostic groups.
Most of what people believe about Gnosticism is based only on what The Roman Catholic Church said about them centuries later.
There is little evidence that they were not monotheists.
The Christian and Jewish Kabbalah are almost identical to the early Gnostics.
The Gospel of John and Revelation are indistinguishable in content from Gnostic texts.
The Gospel of Thomas is indistinguishable in content from the accepted Canonical texts.
Lastly, the Christian doctrines of "Birn Again" and "Guided by the Holy Spirit" are identical to Gnostic doctrines based on what we know from the few Gnostic documents we have.
Gnosticism is still alive and doing well, we just call it Christianity now.
Qu_innocence wrote:
...
A. Gnostics believe that the demiurge,(That is, God) was created and they believe that he is the lowest god with a whole bunch of gods and goddesses above him. They believe that place in which those higher gods dwell in is called "The Pleroma". Okay, real quickly... this is how the main story goes but it morphed this way and that over the milleniums:
(1) They believe that God was created by a goddess above Him called the lower-sophia. But before this, Lower Sophia was trying to get a hold of the Highest-ordered God who is known as The Unknown God (heard that before in Acts on Mars Hill?). Well, she couldn't get a hold of Him so out of anger (sometimes legend says curiousity) she created the demiurge but saw that it was a monster that she created (this is gnostic thought btw). So she was supposedly terrified of this monster and flung the demiurge (God) to the darkest and furtherest corners. Then as the gnostic myth goes, she put a barrier between her and the demiurge and that is why Jehovah thinks that He is the only God because He cannot see anything above Him. There's a whole heck of a lot more to this but in gnostic thought, Jesus and the demiurge (God) are supposedly enemies and Jesus came to save mankind FROM God. That only some men have the divine spark and these men who have that are supposedly those gnostics that believe all this. They believe that the Christian and Jewish God is only playing and torturing mankind.

B. Now probaly some "enlightened one" or "knower" (gnostic) will post and say that I don't know what I'm talking about to inject misinformation to keep you from the truth and that sort of thing could happen....
B. Just pointing out a few facts. You can do what you want with them.
You know what you are talking about Quin, you just don't know 'enough'.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#483927 Feb 4, 2013
Just read this: "If repentance was not an element of saving faith, Paul could have continued persecuting Christians but still be considered a Christian by the modern gospel because he "believed"."

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483928 Feb 4, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>... Norton 360 keeps WARNING me about the viruses LURKING on several Topix forums,including THIS ONE,just last night??....
It must recognize that you are on the thread.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483929 Feb 4, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>...shake shake shake!!!!
Masturbating to Annie's avatar again ?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483930 Feb 4, 2013
Truths wrote:
Just read this: "If repentance was not an element of saving faith, Paul could have continued persecuting Christians but still be considered a Christian by the modern gospel because he "believed"."
Interesting point!

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#483931 Feb 4, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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You now my position as I have discussed it in length in several rooms with you and several times coming to your defense when many Christians wouldn't touch that subject. So since you know my position I can only assume you and Catcher keep asking in here hoping to cause division. While I am not worried about backlash and will maintain to anyone we have no right to single out sins or to show hate I do think that is pretty unethical of you
Next time you wonder why more Christians don't speak up you may want to look in the mirror and remind yourself that you will try to use it against them at a later date. I find it stunning that a situation so personal to you would be sacrificed for a personal agenda. I guess if people want to make it harder on those who try to speak their conscience on what they think is socially moral behavior as far as how we treat others and make it harder on those who speak out against prejudice that is your decision.
How cowardly.

Your Jesus would be ashamed of you.

You constantly cause division here, but when it comes to prejudice....

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