Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#483366 Feb 3, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
I guarantee you I could say a couple of names whose credibility that is beyond reproach that know me to be telling the truth. And I could add another 2 names to the list of people she has talked about.
"Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People." – Eleanor Roosevelt

Quit gossiping.

Since: Sep 12

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#483367 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>So, everyone that believes that once they're saved, they're always saved, believes the same exact way about everything? I, personally, know a woman that believes in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine and totally changed her views on homosexuality when her son revealed to her that he was homosexual. Interestingly enough, too, her son also believes in the "once saved, always saved" doctrine. And if memory serves me correctly, everyone in their congregation has accepted this. What say you?
<quoted text>Right. They were FOUND to be hypocrites. But, are we to automatically assume that they accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior with the intention of returning to sin one day? Are we to assume that they didn't try to fight the temptation for a time before they succumbed to it?
<quoted text>I know a tree by its fruit, simplyput. But, what did the congregation think of these men that got exposed and publicly humiliated before they got exposed?
If these same hypocrites died before they repented, would they still be saved?
Would these hypocrites still be saved if they died before they were given the opportunity to repent?
Hi BLL, You say that you know a tree by its fruit but have you ever took a moment to stop being fruit inspector long enough to inspect your own tree? Your friut may rot while you tend to others and not your own.
Hopefully we who call ourselves Christians can come to a place of maturity and be full of grace and truth like Christ who we claim to be following. Otherwise we are merely pontificating and misusing the Lord's name for our the promotion of our own religious club, self-righteous ego, and self-centered agenda.

I pray the law of love will lead you upon higher ground and enable you to be merciful as your loving hearted Maker.

A believer who denies that homosexuality is a sin is like one who denies that adultery is a sin. They’re kidding them selves and rebelling against the Holy Spirit. Eventually one would question whether they were really saved. But a sinner who admits he or she is a sinner and sincerely asks for forgiveness deserves to get it “even 70 times 7 times”(Matt 18:22.) They deserve our prayers and support as well. We have no idea what demons they’re fighting, jut like they have no idea of ours. Remember, if we could stop sinning we wouldn’t need a Savior. Walk in Love and we wont have the desire to walk in sin. Have a good night

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#483368 Feb 3, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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I know people want to believe that
But there are some believers that have done some heinous, heinous things
Is it likely every single one of them not really believe despite the Bible saying people will believe and then turn their back on the faith or return to sin?
I would like to ask a very sincere and honest question
What is so bad about salvation being guaranteed for those who remain obedient and faithful where people would say others must lack confidence in the sacrifice and things of that nature?
Shouldn't that be the expectation anyway? And even by OSAS those who don't remain obedient and fathful weren't :true believers" and aren't saved anyway
So the only difference is can a believer walk away
We have free will. Why is the idea that someone can decide to leave the faith of their volition and walk away from their salvation so offensive to people? Isn't that just a natural occurrence of free will? God doesn't force us to believe or to continue to believe IMO
I guess I find it hard to think one would turn their back on everlasting live :)

Since: Mar 09

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#483369 Feb 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
My comments are directed almost exclusively at your church, your bible and faith based thought - not at Christians.
<quoted text>
Promote accountability? To what? Your god? You? Your church? I'm not accountable to any of them.
Accountabilty is your code word for submission to your dogma - your version of how life should be lived. Try promoting character. Promote courage. Promote reason. Promote education. Promote kindness. Promote loyalty. Promote integrity.
But accountability? Your thinking has been deformed by your church.
I mock you because of your choice to attack persons instead of ideas. You have no self control. You're not house broken.
<quoted text>
You're confused. I didn't gloat at your infighting as you suggested with your comment that we unbelievers all come running to another thread to see you bickering. It has zero to do with why I mock you now.
You ego is out of control

Nobody was talking about you

The post was about Christians holding themselves accountable for their actions whereas some feel OSAS doesn't require that

Pay attention to what conversations you are jumping into

How many times do I have to tell you I don't care what you believe, don't wish you to have any connection to the faith and don't care what you do? So no I am not saying you need to be accountable to God. That you aren't is your problem, not mine. It doesn't interest me in the least since you chose it

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483370 Feb 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
....
I'm against your church, and the way it inserts its often unwelcome tentacles into every life. It behaves as if it has some secret knowledge that it needs to inflict on the rest of us - some superior moral code that it needs to persecute people with, or by which to determine public policy...
I agree and so apparently did Jesus:

"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town." Matthew 10:14

He never said,'Ram your doctrines and interpretations down everryone else's throats and force the world to conform to your particular denomination's rules.'

Sadly, most Christians ignore what Jesus taught.

Since: Jul 09

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#483371 Feb 3, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't have to. No more than the Biblicists do.
You threw out the "Australian rabbit" as a proof. It is as lacking as the English moths or human skin pigmentation differences. Last I looked 'Negroes' weren't considered a seperate species any more. LOL
Hidingfromyou wrote:
<quoted text>
No. I presented the Australian rabbit species as evidence. You conflate the words "evidence" and "proof" because you aren't capable of honest argument here and apparently don't have a handle on biological science.
Racism and rabbits aren't connected. Are you only capable of distraction?
he is "moody" from time to time

more often lately, he shows a radical personality change, one is forced to consider the effects of a drug(s)

it is really too bad, he can be rational

Since: Mar 09

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#483372 Feb 3, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
"Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People." – Eleanor Roosevelt
Quit gossiping.
Should i respond like you and get all bent out of shape and say I don't answer to you?

4am today huh?

Tell ya what, you strike me as the type of guy that will go on posting me for years and looking for all these kind of posts that have nothing to do with you because your pride has been hurt so I am gonna let you know now this little dance is going to be all you.

You can come here at 3:30 am tomorrow and respond to a dozen of my posts. That will be your life, not mine. You don't bring anything to the table I haven't hard before and I have heard it said better by more knowledgeable people so do what you have to do but don't hold your breath for my further participation

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#483373 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>The point I'm trying to make, to simplyput, is that I don't believe very many people accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior with the intention of one day returning to a sinful lifestyle. I believe that most, if not all, people that accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior do so with the best of intentions. But, it doesn't always work out that way no matter how hard we try to, not only just do the right thing, but to refrain from doing what's unacceptable. Case in point...
All the religious leaders that got exposed and publicly humiliated, or all the Roman Catholic priests? Did they all begin their journey with Christ with the intention of committing adultery, fornication, and what-not?
Now, my question to simplyput is this: If any of the aforementioned returned to sin and died before they repented, would they still be granted everlasting life in "God's" kingdom? Keep in mind that the aforementioned weren't exposed after they committed whatever sin it was only one time. The aforementioned were caught in sins that they were committing for years prior.
Thank you for your time and consideration, Serah.
Do/did the Priests and their leaders think they fooled GOD when they have tried to cover up their 'sins'? If they did not think they were fooling GOD but only fooling GOD's Children, then do they know GOD? But in saying this, we cannot say how GOD would judge them if they truly repented their ways... because only GOD knows their hearts, their intents and their purposes. This is of course, my opinion only; and my belief is we cannot fool GOD, no matter how many times we go to Church.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483374 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>John wrote a creation story?
<quoted text>Not by name, no...
Why not ? Makes God sound like an evil bastard. Just like Jesus never mentioning Paul or Constantine.

Since: Mar 09

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#483375 Feb 3, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>I guess I find it hard to think one would turn their back on everlasting live :)
That's a pretty darn good answer:)

It would seem like a strange thing to do. Whether some do or not God will sort it all out anyway

(T) Peace

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483376 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>John wrote a creation story?...
Yep. Compare:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said,“Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day." Genesis 1

Any other non-Christians here see what I do ?

Since: Jul 09

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#483377 Feb 3, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>No.... how did you work that out? And then answer your question?
***What is Junk DNA?
www.wisegeek.com/what-is-junk-dna.htm
Whatever you call it, the percentage of junk DNA in the genome is often quite high. In humans, for example, 95% of the genome is composed of noncoding DNA***
Just because the scientists, once upon a time, discounted 95% of our DNA as junk or meaningless, does not mean that I did.
Thank GOD they have changed their minds (again) because they have realised our 'junk' is useful and they have stopped calling in their playground.
What I did say was that they will never trace a human being back to an animal..... nothing what so ever to do with useless, OK?
humans are animals, no tracing required

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483378 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>...First, I believe the plural "'Elohiym" is a reference to two; the most High and His only-begotten Son....
You can believe anything you want. That is not what it says though.

All you can say is that Genesis uses the plural of God - Elohim - Gods.
There are several ways to expalin the use of the word. None are facts.

Can you go back and rewrite the OT inserting what you think it should say ?

Can we rewite Isaiah to say Yeshua instead of Immanual and bethula to almah so it matches the Christian doctrines ?
It is bad enough that the interpretations botch the Scriptures, John IMHO took it a blasphemous step further by sticking 'Logos' into the Genesis opening.

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#483379 Feb 3, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a pretty darn good answer:)
It would seem like a strange thing to do. Whether some do or not God will sort it all out anyway
(T) Peace
I meant everlasting love LOL.....:)

“Thank you GOD for JESUS”

Since: Jul 07

And thank you JESUS for caring

#483380 Feb 3, 2013
karl44 wrote:
<quoted text>
humans are animals, no tracing required
That is your opinion! And they will keep tracing.... as I am sure you know!

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483381 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>...And there's the other problem. It's well known, today, that the early church accepted, copied, distributed, and preserved, all the same books Constantine considered "canon," including the Apocrypha and what's today called "The Book of Enoch."....
Along with a hundred other texts that are called a pack of lies by Christinaity fo the last 1700 years.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#483382 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>....
<quoted text>And why do you say and ask that? Because he didn't reveal enough to meet your standards?...
Because he currently isn't meeting the standards of over 5 billion people.

"I am sending you a special guy in the next few decades/centuries/millenia but I won't tell you his name. In fact you will think he is nuts and ignore him. I will tirture you for eternity if you can't figure out which one he is."

God plays a sick game of Where's Waldo.

Since: Sep 12

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#483383 Feb 3, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>You just contradicted yourself according to the questions I asked.
Just tonight, I asked you if any of the religious leaders that got caught in some ongoing sin died before they had the opportunity to repent, if they would still be saved and granted everlasting life in "God's" kingdom, and you answered "Yes." That means that there is no consequence, for if there was, then they wouldn't still be saved and granted everlasting life.
<quoted text>Of a surety, but that's not what I asked. Now, you avoiding my question by changing what I asked. If these hypocritical religious leaders died before they could repent, then would it even matter if "God" disciplined them or not?
Just tonight, I had to scold my 5-year old son for putting his bare feet on the furniture. 5 minutes later, I had to scold him again for the same exact thing.
And have you ever heard of children that were taken out of a will?
<quoted text>My story is MY story, but we can't just foolishly believe that all are as fortunate. Yes, I'm a prodigal son, but are all as fortunate as me? Nevertheless and again, I thank "God" that I didn't die, and that I had the opportunity to repent before I died. Because I don't believe I would have been forgiven, saved, and granted everlasting life, had I died before repenting.
That sounds like a doctrine invented by Satan, himself. "Try, but don't worry. Even if you fall away completely and die without ever repenting, you're guaranteed anyway." That, to me, sounds absurd!
It sound absurd to the phaisees too but Jesus told this parable..There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said,'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.''I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered,'I will, sir,' but he did not go.Which of the two did what his father willed" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Notice that "Repent" once again means to change your mind toward BELIEF not a particular SIN? The prostitutes and the despised tax collectors went to heaven BEFORE the pharisees because of their self righteousness and judgemental attitude. That is NOT the will of God my friend. Though, you noticed they were ALL STILL going to heaven. And if you dont BELIEVE you will be forgiven, You are ABSOLUTLY right..

Since: Mar 09

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#483384 Feb 3, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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It sound absurd to the phaisees too but Jesus told this parable..There was a man who had two sons. He went to the first and said,'Son, go and work today in the vineyard.''I will not,' he answered, but later he changed his mind and went.Then the father went to the other son and said the same thing. He answered,'I will, sir,' but he did not go.Which of the two did what his father willed" "The first," they answered. Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Notice that "Repent" once again means to change your mind toward BELIEF not a particular SIN? The prostitutes and the despised tax collectors went to heaven BEFORE the pharisees because of their self righteousness and judgemental attitude. That is NOT the will of God my friend. Though, you noticed they were ALL STILL going to heaven. And if you dont BELIEVE you will be forgiven, You are ABSOLUTLY right..
I don't want us to get back into any big thing but just had one quick question

If repentance, faith, and obedience all mean faith why wouldn't the Bible just say faith?

You say repentance isn't repenting for our sins but changing our mind towards faith

You say faith is faith

And you obedience means obedience to faith

I am not saying this sarcastically or argumentatively but just for clarification. You believe to repent, to believe, and to obey all means to have faith?

Since: Sep 12

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#483385 Feb 3, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Yep. Compare:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Then God said,“Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.5God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day." Genesis 1
Any other non-Christians here see what I do ?
I dont ever see what you see but I will look again..<smile> J/K

Let me see!!!!

In the beginning was the Word,( Jesus is refered to as the "Word")

The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1

"I am the Light of the world" Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness,...

Then God said,“Let there be light”; and there was light. God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. Hmmmm..LOL If this is what you see, then YES, I see it..
Thanks G

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