Why Should Jesus Love Me?

[Skombolis]

simplyput wrote:

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You simply do not read or comprehend the scriptures that are given to you, very many times on here, it appears from SEVERAL post, they have tried to answer your SAME questions over and over.
Stubborness : difficult to handle or overcome, resolute adherence
to their OWN ideas/ opinions or desires. Basic stance of a stubborn person is 'No, I won't and you can't make me'

She stated the gospels and the teachings of Christ were for the Jews so kind of hard for her as a Gentile to now use them as the reason she believes OSAS. and if someone is going to tell others they are blind and are of the devil and dont trust Christ it seems reasonable to me they at least use scripture they say applies to them. not to you huh? that helps actually. thx

[lil whispers]

Moses and King Tut.

Moses grew up in Egyptian royal household within 100 years of the pharaoh Tutankhamen,whose richly supplied tomb was discovered in 1923.The spectacular finds including many alabaster vessels,gold-covered objects and furniture inlaid with gold,ivory,and precious stones represent things Moses knew.Much in the Israelite Tabernacle would have looked similar because Egyptian-trained artisans crafted it and the Egyptians gave of their wealth when the Israelites left.

[lil whispers]

Egyptian Magicians.

The Egyptian magicians in Moses'day were able to duplicate the first two plagues that God sent upon Egypt.Theses were the turning of the water of the Nile River into blood and producing frogs.They tried to duplicate the third plague bringing forth gnats but they failed.They also were able to turn rods into snakes,like Aaron did but his snake devoured theirs.

[G_O_D]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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I find it amusing, though, that you claim we cannot understand speciation by observing its underlying genetic processes....

I never said that. I said you (and others) are stretching what we have learned far beyond its limitations. Much as Christians might equate the probability of a historical Jesus to proof He was God.

[Skombolis]

Black Thunder 42 wrote:

<quoted text> And YES you have a despicable "holier than thou" attitude toward everyone except those who are on their knees

This will be my last post and it is not to get the last word as I am sure you will take that. But perhaps in the middle of mocking Christians and Christianity you didnt stop to consider there may be some history you dont know about. Of course I am condenscending to a small group of posters that have routinely told anyone who doesnt believe as they do that they are blind, are of the devil, dont have faith, dont trust Christ, etc. So unreasonable to expect them to back up the accusations with verses? Unforeseeable to think they might get treated with the same respect they have shown? And I have seen ur posts mate so dont play the holier-than-thou card on me as u more than respond in kind. now if u want to start over im game. but dont try to sell me on i owe ppl more respect that tell me im of the devil. Go back and read the history if u doubt me

[G_O_D]

Hidingfromyou wrote:

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....the more sophisticated description of "species" that I provided you several pages back ....

You did ?

There is a universally accepted, detailed and flawless academic definition of species accepted by every discipline ?

I think you mean you have a definition of "species" that fits your theory. LOL

Sorry, Hiding but I am quite familiar with those academic tricks.

[G_O_D]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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.... It's the misanthropic garbage ..

That is the philosophical difference between Judaism and Christinity.

The prime assumption of Christianity is that humans are inherently bad and never can be good enough.

The prime assumption of Judaism is that humans are inherently good and need to work at staying good.

Two antithetical paradigms.

[G_O_D]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Correct, and a very good point.
I used to despise Paul relative to Jesus. Jesus had the gentler temperament. It was Paul who demeaned women, for example, not Jesus. Neither seemed to have much use for sex, but it was Paul that wanted the women to shut up and submit.
But later, I came to respect Paul as a rational ethicist. He simply contradicted Jesus and dismissed the Old Testament law, and replaced it with a much improved ethical system, however deficient by modern standards. He didn't have permission to do that. He simply did it.
I don't want to give him too much credit,since I'm not sure that Paul was guided by compassion as much as expediency. His motive may have been to appeal to gentiles rather than make life better for people, but he did use reason to make ethical judgments rather than conform to scripture.
What do you think?

My problem with Paul and the Gentile Church is that they didn;t have the courage to dissociate completely with Judaism. Had they pitched the Hebrew Scriptures and just created a pagan religion around Jesus I would accept their honesty. After all, IMHO the myth is just a vesel to communicate deeper truths. IN fact, the entire story from Gilgamesh to Revelation could be 100% fiction and it could still provide a "spiritual truth" and even further, could have provice a more coherent and understandable mythological framework.

[G_O_D]

Grace Walker wrote:

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Sorry BLL, I am NOT going to believe You over the Holy Spirit.....

One should always go with the voices in their head. LOL

[Skombolis]

G_O_D wrote:

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My problem with Paul and the Gentile Church is that they didn;t have the courage to dissociate completely with Judaism. Had they pitched the Hebrew Scriptures and just created a pagan religion around Jesus I would accept their honesty. After all, IMHO the myth is just a vesel to communicate deeper truths. IN fact, the entire story from Gilgamesh to Revelation could be 100% fiction and it could still provide a "spiritual truth" and even further, could have provice a more coherent and understandable mythological framework.

I personally dont see the connection people are making between jesus and Mosaic law. Yes Jesus was a Jew but not by todays standards and certaintly imo not those of Moses either. When did Jesus ever enforcce Mosaic Law? He changed hate your enemy to love your enemy. he broke bread with strangers. he stopped the stoning of prostitutes. Jesus ushured in the new way imo whereas all law fell under love God and your neighbor. Jmo (T) PEACE

[simplyput]

Skombolis wrote:

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He changed hate your enemy to love your enemy. he broke bread with strangers. he stopped the stoning of prostitutes. Jesus ushured in the new way imo whereas all law fell under love God and your neighbor. Jmo (T) PEACE

and He died for ALL, and for ALL our sins, and whosoever BELIEVETH
in Him, shall have everlasting life, no IFS about it.

[LAWEST100]

Skombolis wrote:

<quoted text>He will probably answer you because it is a verse he agrees with. Ask him why the Gentiles are told in Romans that they avoided severity and instead received goodness because they believed but were warned that even the natural branches (jews) can be cut off so all the more reason for them to keep their faith and to remain in God's goodness so they dont also get cut off?You like to mix it up right? or consider it a favor to me! i know i wont get an answer other than being told God has blinded me

Good early morning Skom, this reminds mo of the ol' hit and run double standard.

Peace.

[LAWEST100]

Skombolis wrote:

<quoted text>Nah I am repentant when I sin while you revel in it. I like my chances. I wouldnt put money on you. But hey anything is possible, with Christ all things are.(Thats from the Bible btw)

Great response Skom and very true, not to mention that is keeping it REAL.

[LAWEST100]

Senecus wrote:

Allow me to offer an assist...
I think both 'sides' could do well in a little expository study from Galatians 2:15-12:
"We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."
Just a thought;)

Good early morning John, that scripture you posted was very much on time, how've you been?

[mike]

lil whispers wrote:

Jacob and Esau;Squabbling Brothers.
Jacob and his twin brother Esau did not get along well for much of their lives,because Jacob took Esau's birthright.Their decendants were the Israelites and the Edomites respectively groups that continued to feud throughout their histories.The Bible states that feud began even before the birth of Jacob and Esau:The children struggled together within her(their mother Rebekah's womb)(Genesis 25:22)

Hello lil whis

A "birthright" was actually a tradition, it was not something the un-intended could just take.

Bible stories were fabricated after the "fact".

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mike wrote:

<quoted text>Hello lil whis
A "birthright" was actually a tradition, it was not something the un-intended could just take.
Bible stories were fabricated after the "fact".

Good early morning Mike, long time no hear from, how've been?

[Blarp14]

Blarp3

[It aint necessarily so]

Skombolis wrote:

<quoted text>I didnt see you deny every person exibits the characteristics she described.

I deny that all people - even most people - are properly characterized as she characterized them, especially when she announced that "I fully realize mankind is a total failure."

Skombolis wrote:

And you dont understand what bigotry is as it isnt bigotry to have an opinion based on actual actions displayed by all people. Bigotry is stereotyping one group negatively over another and normally a group someone is not part of. How can someone be bigoted against all humans that is human for forming an opinion on human characteristics.?

I think it is bigotry.

Whatever else it is, it is a deprecatory over-generalization that I find offensive and consider an unhealthy way to think.

[It aint necessarily so]

Catcher1 wrote:

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Yes, several Christians just gave me an education on the subject.
They don't seem to agree on OSAS or no OSAS. I see it as a very poor policy, given the Christian belief that humans are by nature bad and require the fear of eternal damnation to abstain from sin.
Perhaps the pedophile priests rely on the doctrine to maintain their behavior, and their superiors for their cover-ups.

This was my comment, which agrees with yours:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

[It aint necessarily so]

Counter_Strike wrote:

You've misunderstood, and purposefully so.

Please don't put your failures on me. Here are your exact words:

"Blasphemy is failure to recognize and respect the authority of The Most High and those He has sent to complete task. "

This sentence has a compound direct object: A is B and C, where "B and C" is the object. It can be rewritten as: A is B and A is C

Blasphemy is failure to recognize and respect the authority of The Most High and blasphemy is failure to recognize and respect the authority of those He has sent to complete task.

Let's look at "A is C," or in this case, blasphemy is failure to recognize and respect the authority of those He has sent to complete task.

You wrote it, and I did not misunderstand it. Apparently, you did, assuming that you are denying meaning what you wrote.