Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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<quoted text>LOL...translation: "I still dont have any verses to back up my claims and I still wont offer any interpretations because no matter how many apologist commentaries I pull out of my backside none of them address the relevant scripture either" Just keep making silly accusations further exposing your ignorance. The law of faith? LOL..is that like obedience to faith? And I wasx civil back till I saw u were scamming me and never was going to answer despite your many accusations. You are a fraud
Rev.3:5..Yet you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their clothes. They will walk with me, dressed in white, for they are worthy. He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will NEVER blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.(Rev. 3:4-5)

Heís basically telling the unsaved in Sardis that if they put their trust in Him like some of their friends have, they too will be dressed in white and He will never blot their names out of the book of life. Rev. 3:5 is one more promise, right from the Lordís mouth, that once our names are in the book they can never be erased. Once saved, always saved AND THEN WE HAVE THIS ONE..

John 10:28
28and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand

and MORE..John 11:22..25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth on me, though he die, yet shall he live; 26and whosoever liveth and believeth on me shall NEVER die.

40..Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou believedst, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

13for, Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

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Senacus.....i think it would actually be more helpful that you clarify your position with that. You agree or disagree one must remain faithful and obedient until the end to be saved? I have always been under the impression you believe they must. The verse you gave however is one more likely to ignore followups such as the natural branches being cut off or all the conditional verses we have discussed prior saying "if". So can you clarify your position? Thx

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Romans 10, Brethren, my heartís desire and my supplication to God is for them, that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For being ignorant of Godís "righteousness", and seeking to establish THEIR OWN, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth.

Those who TRY to establish their own righteousness did NOY subject themselves to GODS Righteousness?? Thats YOU Skom. But continue on trying to establish your own and I will trust in Gods righteousness by faith..

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Senecus wrote:
Allow me to offer an assist...
I think both 'sides' could do well in a little expository study from Galatians 2:15-12:
"We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.
But if, in our endeavor to be justified in Christ, we too were found to be sinners, is Christ then a servant of sin? Certainly not! For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.
I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose."
Just a thought;)
AND a good thought..Thanks Senecus

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Rachel's Tomb.

Jacob buried his wife Rachel near Ephrath(Bethlehem) and he built a pillar there on her grave which stood for many years.A domed monument was built in the twelfth centrury A.D.by the Crusaders near Bethlehem at the traditional site of her grave.Today it is a mosque.Interestingly bedouins(nomadic Arabs)today bury their children near the tomb.

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<quoted text>You actually know the Bible worse than I thought. The natural branches are the Jews. And obeying Christ is leaving my first love and this fro a person who doesnt think his teachings apply to her?dont make me laugh. What verses say Christs teachings dont apply to the Gentiles again? Should I just make a humming sound and let drool drip off my chin to replicate your answer?
A humming sound might be better than the blabbering you are doing on here right now. You have drool coming off your chin? Figures. Go take a cool shower Skumbolis...you get too overheated over differences in beliefs. No wonder so many people attack your post. You act like a spoiled child who cant win a prize. Have a nice life Skum..

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Grace you dont believe the teachings of Jesus apply to us so scratch that. Oh wait you said the gospels were for the Jews...scratch the ones from John. Besides it is John where Christ explains where one to remain IN CHRIST they have to obey him. See it gets tricky doesnt it when it suits your purpose to ignore the teachings of Christ and the gospels when espousing Paul but then trying to resort to them when you need them. But lets talk John then. Christ says in John 15 they have been cleaned by the word but must remain in Him otherwise they are like branches broken off and discared and burned. And to remainin Christ you have to obey him. Any verses to refute that or that say obedience really means obedience to faith?

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<quoted text>the guy has stalked me very unfriendly like for 6 months so there was nothing casual about it. But the timing is sure coincidental after i pointed out you mock Cnristgians for arguing the Bible and they believe it and most u guys who dont spend just as much time arguing it. guess it struck a nerve. go figger
You tell me that what I said is not the smok'n truth Skom...because it is ...and that must have struck the nerve(as you put it) Your fangs came out instantly and are like a lion roaming about to see what it can devour.
Now , If you think everyone who comes on this thread has to eat your sh!t and kiss your azz, ya got another thing com'n.
I've been real laid back and non aggressive here, and I think you have misinterpreted that as weakness. That would be a big mistake on your part...I do not back up for anybody, and I will NOT allow your
"holier than thou" azz ta spit in my face without taking a couple of your teeth with me.

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Grace Walker wrote:
Romans 10, Brethren, my heart`s desire and my supplication to God is for them, that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For being ignorant of God`s "righteousness", and seeking to establish THEIR OWN, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to every one that believeth.
Those who TRY to establish their own righteousness did NOY subject themselves to GODS Righteousness?? Thats YOU Skom. But continue on trying to establish your own and I will trust in Gods righteousness by faith..
Romans 2:13 says it is not hearers of the law that will be declared just but doers of the law that will be justified. Romans also says our one remaining debt to one another is to love and those who do that have fulfilled the law. Romans also says if even the natural branches can be broken off for unbelief so can the Gentiles. Try reading all of Romans

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Hey Grace, what is 2 plus 2? 5 right? Is anybody that thinks it is four blinded by the devil?LOL....I can give interpretations of scripture because they back up my claims. You cant so you dont. And your claims of civility and calling other prideful is just more manipulative garbage from the most ignorant yet ikronically prideful person in here. Go sell it to someone else that thinks 2 plus 2 is 5
No its 4 Einstein but Jesus+nothing= everything..I am not prideful just confident in Jesus..try it sometime Steve. Pride is what YOU do when YOU say YOU can save yourself when Jesus said NO you cant..He done it for you..Ignorance?? I didnt say it..the scripture you kept begging for said that SO I give it to you..You want more?

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<quoted text> You tell me that what I said is not the smok'n truth Skom...because it is ...and that must have struck the nerve(as you put it) Your fangs came out instantly and are like a lion roaming about to see what it can devour.
Now , If you think everyone who comes on this thread has to eat your sh!t and kiss your azz, ya got another thing com'n.
I've been real laid back and non aggressive here, and I think you have misinterpreted that as weakness. That would be a big mistake on your part...I do not back up for anybody, and I will NOT allow your
"holier than thou" azz ta spit in my face without taking a couple of your teeth with me.
One thing for sure.

Skombolis is one weird guy.

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No its 4 Einstein but Jesus+nothing= everything..I am not prideful just confident in Jesus..try it sometime Steve. Pride is what YOU do when YOU say YOU can save yourself when Jesus said NO you cant..He done it for you..Ignorance?? I didnt say it..the scripture you kept begging for said that SO I give it to you..You want more?
Confident? ah..LOL...the scripture u gave me doesnt apply to the gentiles according to you. Do I really need to pull back up your posts that say the gosels were for the Jews and so were the teachings of Christ? so how can u use the scripture now? and none of that scripture claims all future sins are forgiven but i suppose it was my own mistake as I should have known you would cherry pick verses you say dont even apply.

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Skombolis wrote:
Senacus.....i think it would actually be more helpful that you clarify your position with that. You agree or disagree one must remain faithful and obedient until the end to be saved? I have always been under the impression you believe they must. The verse you gave however is one more likely to ignore followups such as the natural branches being cut off or all the conditional verses we have discussed prior saying "if". So can you clarify your position? Thx
That didn't take long:)

Now ,my clarifying my position has no bearing on whether one chooses to engage in a suggestion of expository study with another from an opposing camp now, does it? I feel I can harmonise the two, but not in a position to do that now. Just offering a suggestion I found has worked the past, taking 'blocks' of text for a topical study.

I know you want to press certain texts that you feel uphold your position, all well and good, just think looking at it 'from a different angle', so to speak, could help clarify things for both.

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Rachels's Death.

Rachel was Jacob's beloved wife and she bore him Joseph and Benjamin,His two favorite sons.However she died giving birth to Benjamin.As he was born she named him Benoni,which means son of my sorrow but he was renamed Benjamin(son of the right hand) by his father.(Genesis 35).

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<quoted text> You tell me that what I said is not the smok'n truth Skom...because it is ...and that must have struck the nerve(as you put it) Your fangs came out instantly and are like a lion roaming about to see what it can devot...I do not back up for anybody, and I will NOT allow your
"holier than thou" azz ta spit in my face without taking a couple of your teeth with me.
Yeah someone trying to judge me based on an interaction they know nothing about promted a response. And calm down fella no need to get your chest all swolled up and talking about taking teeth online (scary btw). i didnt mistale kindness for weakness. I did maybe mistake a guy who can come in here and mock Christians and call out my morals and say someone pissed in my cherrios as having a little thicker skin and not being an emotional baskey case trying to prove his masculinity. So you are a roaming lion online..great,I could care less either way. You are an after-thought to me. Do whatever u want

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Jacob Becomes Israel.

Jacob wrestled one night with a stranger whom he recognized as God's representative and he asked him for a blessing.The man bestowed a new name upon him:Israel.This name means he strives with God or God strives.It is based on a rare Hebrew form for striving(yisar)and one of the words for God (El).

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Senecus wrote:
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That didn't take long:)
Now ,my clarifying my position has no bearing on whether one chooses to engage in a suggestion of expository study with another from an opposing camp now, does it? I feel I can harmonise the two, but not in a position to do that now. Just offering a suggestion I found has worked the past, taking 'blocks' of text for a topical study.
I know you want to press certain texts that you feel up
You really dont think that selective verse with no supporting verses doesnt lend itself to people not applying the other applicable verses? Taken by itself without getting into any of the consequences I dont see how it harmonizes both sides. I mean yeah it hamonizes other verses but verses dont hamonize between once-saved and needing to endure to the end. You have always maintained the conditional aspect of dozens of verses. Just seems relevant anyway when presenting a verse one might take by its lonesome to make a point that really cant be made. Meh, jmo

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One thing for sure.
Skombolis is one weird guy.
I wonder what that says about my stalkers? LOL

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<quoted text>Yeah someone trying to judge me based on an interaction they know nothing about promted a response. And calm down fella no need to get your chest all swolled up and talking about taking teeth online (scary btw). i didnt mistale kindness for weakness. I did maybe mistake a guy who can come in here and mock Christians and call out my morals and say someone pissed in my cherrios as having a little thicker skin and not being an emotional baskey case trying to prove his masculinity. So you are a roaming lion online..great,I could care less either way. You are an after-thought to me. Do whatever u want
Uh huh...keep twist'n ...did ya learn that "I'm so persecuted" sh!t in church?
God...yer such a crybaby. Grow up...act like an adult...ya sound like some poor sniveling slob that is jones'n for a fix.
Which one of your 2 morals did I call out?

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<quoted text> Uh huh...keep twist'n ...did ya learn that "I'm so persecuted" sh!t in church?
God...yer such a crybaby. Grow up...act like an adult...ya sound like some poor sniveling slob that is jones'n for a fix.
Which one of your 2 morals did I call out?
LoL skitzo much? First you claim I attacked you and mistook kindness for weakness and how tough you are so when I explained why I responded now I am the one claiming persecution? You either are that stupid or think others are. Go look for some teeth to knock out. You can start with your own just by sitting down as youjr head is up your arse! LOL...and more sterotyping about church and Christians..what a surprise from such a niced fella. And my 2 morals? Werent you the one talking in a mock southing black mimic whatever u wanna call the other day? See ya stupid, I have given u all the time ur gonna get! I know u will be responding to me forever now! definitely the insecure type who will need 'vindication'

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