Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#482028 Jan 31, 2013
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Grace Walker 5:48
Ye can never be perfect, so don't even bother.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#482029 Jan 31, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
I don't think Jesus was any more than the personification of a social movement. The myth was probably based on a preacher, or a few, but I have no reason to think that the words attributed to Jesus were actually spoken by him, or that the stories about him actually happened.

As far as the religion that resulted from all that, I disagree with most of it. The few little things I do agree with, are not original or unique to Christianity. I have no reason to value it, at all.
Good post. Nicely articulated.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#482030 Jan 31, 2013
1Peter 1:15-16
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Grace Walker 1:15-16
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye defeated in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye defeated; for I am holy.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#482031 Jan 31, 2013
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“Not every person knows how to love a dog,
but every dog knows how to love a person.”

Thought For The Day

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#482032 Jan 31, 2013
Encouraging Words....

A glad heart makes a happy face; a broken heart crushes the spirit.

Proverbs 15:13

K-Love

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#482033 Jan 31, 2013
Matthew 19:16-19
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Grace Walker 19:16-19
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, disregard the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, All of them.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#482034 Jan 31, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
...Skumbolis...
And THIS is how you thank Jesus for the free gift of grace you've been given.

March on, "Christian" soldier.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#482036 Jan 31, 2013
Today's Prayer

Dear God, I know that you have a plan for my life. Sometimes, I'm not sure I'm following the right path that will fulfill your perfect will. I pray that you will give me discernment to make the right choices, and to recognize when yYou place someone in my life to give direction and point out truths that will prepare me for the path I am to follow and the circumstances I am to face. Lord, please give me strength, grace, and unction from on high to not turn back neither to one side or the other, but to remained focused straight ahead on You. In Jesus' name, amen.

(I posted this earlier but it isn't showing up...So I re-posted it)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#482037 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
That is the philosophical difference between Judaism and Christinity. The prime assumption of Christianity is that humans are inherently bad and never can be good enough. The prime assumption of Judaism is that humans are inherently good and need to work at staying good. Two antithetical paradigms.
Thanks for that. That's a huge difference. These paradigms play in the background of thought whenever awake. They're foundational elements of one world view.

It's pretty common knowledge that if you verbally abuse a kid or a wife by convincing them that they are defective and worthless, or that they are lucky to be forgiven by you, that you stunt their self-image, and dampen their emotional and spiritual growth. They learn to expect failure and blame, and reach less far.

I don't see why would this would be different. I'm very grateful not to have been raised from infancy with such a dark view of myself and others.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#482038 Jan 31, 2013
Drew H wrote:
Yours, Grace's, my, and every other person's efforts at righteousness are works of futility because we cannot be righteous because of our own efforts. They are a bunch of filthy rags.
First, as you say that, James says, "Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous." I'll not let you deceive me, Drew H. But, as to your quote...

I get frustrated when people quote certain verses, but don't actually understand the intention of what's written. Why did Isaiah write what he did? Why? Because, the righteousness of Israel was overshadowed by their iniquities, as it's written. For example and in concordance, Proverbs 21:27 says, "The sacrifice of the wicked is abomination: how much more, when he bringeth it with a wicked mind?" Sacrifices were required by law, to reconcile the sinner to Father and give the sinner a righteous standing. But, what if the sinner sacrificed with no intentions of departing from their iniquities? Then, the sinner's righteousness becomes like filthy rags, meaning feigned and insincere. But, as another, final example as to what Isaiah meant, Isaiah also wrote, "Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness." Israel appeared clean on the outside, but they were filthy in their inward parts.
Drew H wrote:
You might try at looking at the scriptures from a spiritual standpoint rather than a physical one.
...says Drew H to the one that's repeatedly shared how our anointed Savior taught us the spiritual interpretation and application of the literal letter of the law.
Drew H wrote:
That is what the Judaizers did (physical standpoint) and they, for certain, became self-righteous and Jesus told them what He thought about them.
Jesus rebuked the Pharisees and scribes for their hypocrisy, for starters, and because they upheld traditions above and before the commandments of "God." And as to their hypocrisy, they taught the law, but didn't adhere to what they were teaching. As it's written, "Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not."

Now, the Judaizers, on the other hand, was Paul's opposition, especially toward the Galatians. And the issue, there, was that these Judaizers were trying to compel the converts to become physically circumcised and to begin offering up sacrifices, two laws that were fulfilled on the cross. And that's the reasons for Paul's letter to the Galatians.
Drew H wrote:
Ever since you've been posting here you have been pompously describing your works of righteousness, yet you claim humility. Is that not a bit ironic?
I've never said anything more than the fact that I've been trying to become perfect, just as we've been instructed by our anointed Savior. I've said absolutely nothing different from Paul. Paul wrote, "Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus." Now, is your issue with just me, or both, me and Paul, Accuser?
Drew H wrote:
God knows who He has saved, and to those He gives assurance; and they know who they are.
And based on your post to me, you do, too.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#482039 Jan 31, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
<quoted text>
How so to you too.
I didn't know you spoke Chinese, Aero.
I AM a mysterious sort, aren't I?

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#482040 Jan 31, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>She didnt say any atheists were saved thru the faith of another. His parents were/are believers and so is she
She didn't say that.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#482041 Jan 31, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
beacuse you are to simple and to stupid
Oh.
Wloclawek Warrior

Carson, VA

#482042 Jan 31, 2013
I suppose as long as you stick to the world that you can see. Science is also replete with the unseen and what transpires in the unseen might not necessarily fit into your test tube.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#482043 Jan 31, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
are you feeding the hungry, clothing the nacked,love your nighbour?
Do you understand spiritual saying of our Lord Jesus Christ
do you know what is SPIRITUAL FOOD TO FEED HUNGRY?
WHAT IS SPIRITUAL CLOTHES TO CLOTHE NACKED?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND SPIRITUAL AND PHISICAL OBEDIENCE TO THE GODS SPIRITUAL LAW?
DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE TRUE GOSPEL?
But if people believe in VAIN?like you try to tell them?
FOR SURE THERE IS NOT YOUR SENTENCE,ADVICE,CONDEMNATION OR ASSURANCE THAT IS IS SO?
Spiritual food is a whole lot cheaper than real food.

Same for spiritual clothing.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#482044 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
My problem with Paul and the Gentile Church is that they didn;t have the courage to dissociate completely with Judaism. Had they pitched the Hebrew Scriptures and just created a pagan religion around Jesus I would accept their honesty.
As I understand it, its founders originally saw Christianity as a new sect of Judaism, and promoted it exclusively with Jews. Christ was presented as a messiah in fulfillment of Judaic prophecy.

Later, they decided to expand their market and preach to the gentiles. What could they do at that point? Drop the messianic references? Paul dispensed with Judaic law, but not the Hebrew prophecy. He must have thought that he needed it to sustain what they had built up at that time - that a complete severance would threaten the existence early church.

What do you think?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#482045 Jan 31, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
After all, IMHO the myth is just a vesel to communicate deeper truths. IN fact, the entire story from Gilgamesh to Revelation could be 100% fiction and it could still provide a "spiritual truth" and even further, could have provide a more coherent and understandable mythological framework.
If you have an abiding intuition that there is a deep truth that you can know better, and consider the Christian bible mythical, why bother with it? Why not meditate directly on (or with) the mysterious element - the deep truth - and dispense with the revelatory traditions altogether? There is no faith required to do that.

You seem to imply that faith and a religious culture help you in your pursuit of that deeper truth. I thought it was a distraction in my pursuit of spiritual truth.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#482046 Jan 31, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>
Mr. Batty, quite interesting comments you made there. Do I know you from some other thread? Somehow I don't think so. Is it right to also assume that you're either an atheist or the gay?
Makes me wonder now; what's your reason for being here.
CS.
I'm atheist, but not gay, not that there's anything wrong with that.

I'm here because I marvel at the level of insanity that prevails in this supposedly modern world. The obstinate refusal to accept modern science in favor of ancient texts and the insistence that those ancient texts are more valid than current knowledge.

It makes me wonder that we can even function as a nation.

And it frightens me that so many in positions of power can remain so willfully ignorant.

Turkey is the only country that has a higher percentage of its population that doesn't accept evolution.

That is embarrassing.

We had people running for president of the most powerful nation in the world who literally believe that the Earth is only 6000 years old. THAT is truly frightening.
naas

Middlesboro, KY

#482047 Jan 31, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Our anointed Savior said, "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Peter wrote, "But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." And finally, the author of Hebrews wrote, "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit."
You truly don't know anything about the son of "God." It's rare to witness such foolishness from someone that claims to be a believer.
<quoted text>Are you out of your tree?!
He was teaching us how to defeat sin by revealing to us where sin originates! If we remove lust from our hearts and minds, we'll never commit adultery!! And how do we remove lust from our hearts and minds? With prayer, and replacing such an unrighteous thought with a righteous thought!
You have got to be kidding me right now!!! What a cop-out!!!
<quoted text>And THAT explains it!!
You asked me why I stopped going to "church"? What you said was one reason. Because you so-called "Christians" are destroying the world!!! You've succumbed to defeat before you even started the battle!!!
How do you know you can't be perfect if you've never tried? How will anyone ever reach perfection with an attitude like yours?
You should be ashamed of yourself! It's attitudes like yours that have so many so-called "believers" living such a lukewarm lifestyle. Many of you, as I've witnessed, only do "good" when it's done with your congregations; for others to see! And that's "good" enough for you.
<quoted text>What bible are YOU reading?
The wages of sin is death. Sin is the transgression of the law.
You believe what you want. I'll believe the bible.
there are those others; which are annointed too and bearing the ONE NAME.

all those who were to judge israel were annointed.

4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...

behold the lambs of god

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...

why do you worship the prince of peace and not the King of peace, melchisedec from whose order jesus became a high priest and who also was the Son of God?

hebrews 7:

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#482048 Jan 31, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
<quoted text> Why do some people lose all their money at a casino?
The answer is the same for both.
For most, I agree.

I'm a non-Pascalian. <smile>

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