Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#481863 Jan 30, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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How so?
She didnt say any atheists were saved thru the faith of another. His parents were/are believers and so is she

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481864 Jan 30, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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how many time you polak idiota
will be rebuke and throw back to Poland
go back to polska you stupid
ty huju,ty dobrze wiesz co ja wiem
wracaj do polski ty polowa hujowa glowo
Chill, Balki.

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#481865 Jan 30, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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NO verses that says ALL our sins are forgiven?? I believe there is!!
Colossians 2:13-14 reads as follows, When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us ALL our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. That written code was the LAW..
Hebrews 10:12-14 states that Jesus offered Himself as a once for all time sacrifice for sin that has made us perfect forever.
But when this priest had offered for ALL time ONE sacrifice for SINS, HE sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool, because by ONE sacrifice he has made PERFECT FOREVER those who are being made HOLY.
I meant to sat FUTURE sins. I would have thought that obvious by context and past discussions but my mistake regardless

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#481866 Jan 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Once saved, always saved.
Yes, several Christians just gave me an education on the subject.

They don't seem to agree on OSAS or no OSAS. I see it as a very poor policy, given the Christian belief that humans are by nature bad and require the fear of eternal damnation to abstain from sin.

Perhaps the pedophile priests rely on the doctrine to maintain their behavior, and their superiors for their cover-ups.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#481867 Jan 30, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I meant to sat FUTURE sins. I would have thought that obvious by context and past discussions but my mistake regardless
One more strike and you're out.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481868 Jan 30, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Are you saying the parables of Christ are difficult to understand
No. I'm saying that they are an unclear way to write. Expository discourse is best when you must be understood exactly. Nothing important is written in parables.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#481869 Jan 30, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
I am going to be blunt here and just say it!!!!! Its YOUR UNBELIEF in what Jesus Christ done for you that will cause you to be cut Off. NOT from Salvation but from Living a victorious Christian Life.
Nonsense, Grace Walker.

My Savior, King, and Lord, made a new means for entering into a covenant with Father, through his own obedience and death. I believe this, wholly. He gave us an improved method for forgiveness and reconciliation with Father through his own blood, which lasts forever. I believe this, wholly, too. He promised us a far better rest than all the precepts and ordinances pertaining to the Sabbaths, combined. And I have no reason to doubt this, either, even a little bit. And finally, his death redeemed us from the penalty of death prescribed in the law given to Moses. And in this, I truly believe him, without a doubt. So, what's the problem?
Grace Walker wrote:
YOU ARE BEING "HIGHMINDED".
I'm being highminded? You're the one that believes that the branches were broken off, but that you can never be broken off, regardless of your thoughts, actions, reactions, and speech. Well, you don't believe, either, because you know not the first thing regarding the law, prophecies, and psalms, that reveal what it was that was actually fulfilled on the cross! Like it's been declared many times already, Paul is your savior. Not the only-begotten Son of the most High "God"!
Grace Walker wrote:
You trust more in your works of the flesh which is Obedience to ANYTHING except your obedience of FAITH IN WHAT JESUS ACCOMPLISHED AT THE CROSS!!
You should learn what was accomplished on the cross before making such accusations, Grace Walker. The law, prophecies, and psalms, reveal all that was revealed on the cross and what was not.
Grace Walker wrote:
No wonder you quit going and taking your family to church.
I quit going because I got tired of being surrounded by hypocrites that don't know the first thing as to what the bible actually teaches us. Unlike them, I refused to be indoctrinated.
Grace Walker wrote:
If they taught you the crap you post on here then I would quit going too.
Of course, you would. Because, you're lazy. Your beliefs require nothing more than words.
Grace Walker wrote:
How are you going to learn if you read the Bible like a book?
You're kidding right now, right?

I've been studying the bible for so long, I pretty much know most of it by heart. Then, I've studied the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, too. I've had boxes filled with notebooks. I've studied the bible as a whole, from book to book, from chapter to chapter, from verse to verse, and from word to word. From precept upon precept and line upon line. Here a little and there a little.
Grace Walker wrote:
Anyone can read those rules and try to apply it to their life but they will NEVER be able to follow them good enough to get into heaven.
That's not the purpose of the law, anyway. But, yes. My Savior, King, and Lord, proved that the law can be kept perfectly.
Grace Walker wrote:
God gives us a choice..Law or Grace? Only in the regime of Christ and the Spirit do grace, life, and righteousness reign..
I wish you knew what Paul was talking about. But, you don't want to know, either. Your religion is made for lazy people that don't want to make any effort toward becoming a better person. Instead, you'd rather keep making excuses. I hope that works our for you, Grace Walker.

Since: Sep 12

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#481870 Jan 30, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
And the verse about Jesus freeing us specifically says prior he only considers those his diciples who adhere to his teachings. And it is the Jews who were predestined and Paul even warns one must keep their election sure by doing certain things and says even the natural branches can be cut off. But I would appreciate if people allow Grace to answer as I want to know how she personally came to this belief. Thank you
I dont disagree with you on this Skom. I do follow His teachings but not for Salvation. That was done BY Jesus. In reality Skom, We both believe in the same thing but differ on the HOW..Jesus' disciples walked with him daily and was taught directly from Jesus and they couldn't understand ALL of his teachings. How are we suppose to obey them ALL when we were not taught them ALL? Obedience to Faith, according to the gospel of Grace is too believe IN WHAT Jesus accomplished FOR US. I dont want to argue with you Skom. I have always liked you and I dont think you know how sincere that I am trying to be. Have you ever heard of Justification by faith? A lot of people (including myself) have never been told that we are justified, redeemed and sanctified. We both have been to prison in our past. If you were to get a pardon from the government, what would they do to your record? They would erase it or cover it up..right? God has Pardoned our sins because of WHAT Jesus did at the cross. Jesus paid the sin debt for us because we couldn't. Doesn't that mean anything? WHY dont this get taught more? Please just read up on this part and you may understand it or at the very least, you still disagree but you can at least know that I am not making this up. Its in the New Testament but I can leave you a link to read anyway.

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written,“Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—

The Law is a curse? But WHY??

Since: Mar 09

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#481871 Jan 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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One more strike and you're out.
Well by this post I can see you can count to at least 3 and that you can use a baseball anaology. However I am a bit unclear on how you are applying it. Out in what way? And who enforces this? I wanna make sure I know the rules as you have informed me in the past you are watching me and now you have me scared to post! I wont lose my Topix access will I?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481872 Jan 30, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
How can someone be bigoted against all humans that is human for forming an opinion on human characteristics.?
Really?

Many Christians are self-loathing human beings. They consider their own bodies made of a defective and foreign substance, flesh, which is said while spitting.

And they distrust their own minds as well. They think that the devil speaks to them in there.

Such people are often projecting their own demons onto the whole human race. They see themselves as bad, and are glad to hear - and eager to believe - that every single human being is just as flawed.

Do you think that doesn't happen?
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#481873 Jan 30, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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How so?
beacuse you are to simple and to stupid

Since: Sep 12

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#481874 Jan 30, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Nonsense, Grace Walker.
My Savior, King, and Lord, made a new means for entering into a covenant with Father, through his own obedience and death. I believe this, wholly. He gave us an improved method for forgiveness and reconciliation with Father through his own blood, which lasts forever. I believe this, wholly, too. He promised us a far better rest than all the precepts and ordinances pertaining to the Sabbaths, combined. And I have no reason to doubt this, either, even a little bit. And finally, his death redeemed us from the penalty of death prescribed in the law given to Moses. And in this, I truly believe him, without a doubt. So, what's the problem?
<quoted text>I'm being highminded? You're the one that believes that the branches were broken off, but that you can never be broken off, regardless of your thoughts, actions, reactions, and speech. Well, you don't believe, either, because you know not the first thing regarding the law, prophecies, and psalms, that reveal what it was that was actually fulfilled on the cross! Like it's been declared many times already, Paul is your savior. Not the only-begotten Son of the most High "God"!
<quoted text>You should learn what was accomplished on the cross before making such accusations, Grace Walker. The law, prophecies, and psalms, reveal all that was revealed on the cross and what was not.
<quoted text>I quit going because I got tired of being surrounded by hypocrites that don't know the first thing as to what the bible actually teaches us. Unlike them, I refused to be indoctrinated.
<quoted text>Of course, you would. Because, you're lazy. Your beliefs require nothing more than words.
<quoted text>You're kidding right now, right?
I've been studying the bible for so long, I pretty much know most of it by heart. Then, I've studied the Hebrew and Greek scriptures, too. I've had boxes filled with notebooks. I've studied the bible as a whole, from book to book, from chapter to chapter, from verse to verse, and from word to word. From precept upon precept and line upon line. Here a little and there a little.
<quoted text>That's not the purpose of the law, anyway. But, yes. My Savior, King, and Lord, proved that the law can be kept perfectly.
<quoted text>I wish you knew what Paul was talking about. But, you don't want to know, either. Your religion is made for lazy people that don't want to make any effort toward becoming a better person. Instead, you'd rather keep making excuses. I hope that works our for you, Grace Walker.
I dont go to church because I am LAZY????hahahahahahahahahahaha ah..
I go to church silly. I also work 10 hours a day and I take college courses online. You know as much about me as you do the bible...lol..you crack me up. My belief doesn't REQUIRE anything but obedience from the heart but you seriously are incorrect. There are a few who has seen my church ministry and what we do for people but I just dont brag on MY works..I do it out of LOVE not to earn a thing. WHY dont YOU go to Church again?? WHAT Religion did you MAKE up for you and your family? Nuff said..goodbye
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#481875 Jan 30, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Yes, several Christians just gave me an education on the subject.
They don't seem to agree on OSAS or no OSAS. I see it as a very poor policy, given the Christian belief that humans are by nature bad and require the fear of eternal damnation to abstain from sin.
Perhaps the pedophile priests rely on the doctrine to maintain their behavior, and their superiors for their cover-ups.
you got nothing to discuss every day Gods law

nobody gave you any spiritual authority

just stick to your church of atheists with their stolen theory of biblical ancient laws given to all normal human beings

you are nobody,no doctor,nor docent,nor ingineur,nor theologian

only simple poor uneducated bum drawing foodstampe from SS and seating by stolen computer board all day and night long pst 2 weeks

so
deal with your miserable atheistic idiocy and daily reality

Since: Mar 09

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#481876 Jan 30, 2013
Grace...responding here for space. Can I ask what verse or verses led you to conclude obedience means obedience to faith? And I am not trying to harp on this but obedience to Christ is shown by examples of loving thy neighbor (feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc). So when you say obedience to faith are you tying that into obedience to Christ? And if you dont mind a follow up, as far as faith goes what do you feel Paul means when he says one is saved IF they keep in memory the gospel they have been taught and in which they stand otherwise they have believed in vain?

Since: Mar 09

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#481877 Jan 30, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?
Many Christians are self-loathing human beings. They consider their own bodies made of a defective and foreign substance, flesh, which is said while spitting.
And they distrust their own minds as well. They think that the devil speaks to them in there.
Such people are often projecting their own demons onto the whole human race. They see themselves as bad, and are glad to hear - and eager to believe - that every single human being is just as flawed.
Do you think that doesn't happen?
I think there are times people take it too far as not being preideful doesnt mean we cant have self-respect. But having a negative outlook on humanity based on some of our less than desirable characteristics doesnt make someone a bigot
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#481878 Jan 30, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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I dont go to church because I am LAZY????hahahahahahahahahahaha ah..
I go to church silly. I also work 10 hours a day and I take college courses online. You know as much about me as you do the bible...lol..you crack me up. My belief doesn't REQUIRE anything but obedience from the heart but you seriously are incorrect. There are a few who has seen my church ministry and what we do for people but I just dont brag on MY works..I do it out of LOVE not to earn a thing. WHY dont YOU go to Church again?? WHAT Religion did you MAKE up for you and your family? Nuff said..goodbye
according to Bible,earthly church is not more churches of Gods Spirit
2 Cor 11;13-15. 2 thess 2;2;12

true spiritual church is in heavens and only elected ones belong to this one church Godhead Jesus Christ

You are maybe not lazy to go to church,
only maybe Gods Spirit withdraw you from them ,by the complete end and destructions all riches by UNO

let me add
BLL pride and selfrigteoues destroyed this guy horibly,

he plays more smart from anyone proudly exposind how smart he is, his poor basic hebrew,greek, or studies

his pride is exposing him as unsaved human creature

God bless you GW

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#481879 Jan 30, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. Counter_Strike takes exception to our amicable interactions ..
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Indeed.
.. don't like your Christian friends being civil with me, do you ??..

.. people who judge, talk crap and demean someone they hardly know is one of the reasons we live in such a messed up world. I can't stand people who walk around with a holier-than-thou attitude. Makes me want to puke ..

.. thank you for reading my post and

amen

Since: Sep 12

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#481880 Jan 30, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I meant to sat FUTURE sins. I would have thought that obvious by context and past discussions but my mistake regardless
Skom..Jesus died 2000+ years ago..Your sins WERE FUTURE sins. God is not sitting up there with a "score card" and Jesus WONT come back and die for our sins again. IT IS FINISHED!! He died for ALL Sins of the World at one time and those who accept Him are FORGIVEN. YES, we still mess up and when I do, I THANK Jesus for HIS forgiveness. I still ask for forgiveness even though HE already PAID for that sin but out of regret for my sin, I still ask. Nowhere does the Bible say that we are Only forgiven until we become His. IF Jesus died for US WHILE we were still sinners,(before we became his) HOW much more does He need to do AFTER we ARE HIS? Those who arent even born yet but except Jesus in the future, Their sins were paid for 2000+ years ago too. Jesus paid it all ONCE!! Never to be repeated. I have class to go to now..Have a great night. Be back later.

Since: Mar 09

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#481881 Jan 30, 2013
Edit Grace...sorry I forgot to answer your question. The law was a curse because it meant we were under the penalty of death for our sins with no way out. That is no longer the case. Jesus died on the Cross and wiped the slate clean. Believer once coming to the truth are not supposed to sin any more. But if they do they can still be forgiven by remaining obedient and faithful. So we are no longer facing the curse of a mandatory death sentence. God has given us all a way out
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#481882 Jan 30, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Grace...responding here for space. Can I ask what verse or verses led you to conclude obedience means obedience to faith? And I am not trying to harp on this but obedience to Christ is shown by examples of loving thy neighbor (feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc). So when you say obedience to faith are you tying that into obedience to Christ? And if you dont mind a follow up, as far as faith goes what do you feel Paul means when he says one is saved IF they keep in memory the gospel they have been taught and in which they stand otherwise they have believed in vain?
are you feeding the hungry, clothing the nacked,love your nighbour?

Do you understand spiritual saying of our Lord Jesus Christ

do you know what is SPIRITUAL FOOD TO FEED HUNGRY?
WHAT IS SPIRITUAL CLOTHES TO CLOTHE NACKED?

DO YOU UNDERSTAND SPIRITUAL AND PHISICAL OBEDIENCE TO THE GODS SPIRITUAL LAW?

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS THE TRUE GOSPEL?

But if people believe in VAIN?like you try to tell them?

FOR SURE THERE IS NOT YOUR SENTENCE,ADVICE,CONDEMNATION OR ASSURANCE THAT IS IS SO?

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