Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481653 Jan 29, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Christian values are the values that the church espouses. Secular values are the ones that secular institutions tend to promote.
Do you know where those differ? Let me show you an example:
[1] From The Affirmations of Humanism: "We deplore efforts to denigrate human intelligence ... We believe in optimism rather than pessimism, hope rather than despair ... We believe in the common moral decencies: altruism, integrity, honesty, truthfulness, responsibility ... We believe in the fullest realization of the best and noblest that we are capable of as human beings."
[2] lil whispers wrote: "I fully realize mankind is a total failure."
Exactly!!!!!

Thanks!

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481654 Jan 29, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
....
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure,then peace,loving,considerate,submi ssive full of mercy and good fruit,impartial and sincere.
Well that proves the "Holy Spirit" as espoused by Christians is a rarity.

Christian Wisdom, as you described it, exists in few Christians.

Chrisitnaity is often its own worst advocate.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#481655 Jan 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Thanks Catcher! I'll check it out. I favor the canoe and boat going hypotheses, to be honest, for a number of reasons.
Here's the site: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/issue/February_...
Ok, my pc just came! Off to have fun! bye-bye!
In case you missed it, the (2/13 Smithsonian) issue also has a neat little story about Darwin's estate, Down House, just 15 miles south of London, in Kent. I'm going to go, next time I travel to London.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481656 Jan 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No. I presented the Australian rabbit species as evidence. You conflate the words "evidence" and "proof" because you aren't capable of honest argument here and apparently don't have a handle on biological science.
Racism and rabbits aren't connected. Are you only capable of distraction?
The rabbits are not evidence of anything exept variation WITHIN A SPECIES, just like skin color in humans.

Try again without sounding like a creationist.

I will pass on your opinion of my anthropological training to Penn State.
mike

AOL

#481657 Jan 29, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Another typebot?
Hello

What is a"typebot"?
Sora

El Cajon, CA

#481658 Jan 29, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Amen en français... Merci Sora
Bonsoir Monsieur Qu,
De rien

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481659 Jan 29, 2013
"Definition: The term species can be defined as a group of individual organisms that are capable of interbreeding to produce fertile offspring in nature. A species is, according to this definition, the largest gene pool that exists under natural conditions. Thus, if a pair of organisms are capable of producing offspring in nature, they must belong to the same species.

Unfortunately, in practice, this definition is plagued by ambiguities. To begin, this definition is not relevant to organisms (such as many types of bacteria) that are capable of asexual reproduction. If the definition of a species requires that two individuals are capable of interbreeding, then an organism that does not interbreed is outside of that definition.

Another difficulty that arises when defining the term species is that some species are capable of forming hybrids. For example, many of the large cat species are capable of hybridizing. A cross between a female lions and a male tiger produces a liger. A cross between a male jaguar and a female lion produces a jaglion. There are a number of other crosses possible among the panther species, but they are not considered to be all members of a single species as such crosses are very rare or do not occur at all in nature.

Species form through a process called speciation. Speciation takes place when the lineage of a single splits into two or more separate species. New species can form in this manner as a result of several potential causes such as geographic isoloation or a reduction in gene flow among members of the population.

When considered in the context of classification, the term species refers to the most refined level within the hierarchy of major taxonomic ranks (though it should be noted that in some cases species are further divided into subspecies, but that term lacks clear and consistent definition)."

http://animals.about.com/od/s/g/species.htm

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#481660 Jan 29, 2013
To get to the Truth of law vs. grace, we must ask two
important questions. First: Are we "under law" or "under
grace?" Actually, the answer to that question is easy: We are
"under grace." Romans 6:14, quoted above, says so.
But the second question, well, that's not so easy: What do the
terms, "under law," and "under grace," really mean? It is
confusion as to what these terms really mean which has
caused much bondage and deception among God's people.
Let's begin by examining how the Bible uses the term
"under the law."

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says it to
those who are under the law, that every mouth may be
stopped, and the whole world may become guilty before
God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no
flesh be justified in His sight. For by the law is the
knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God
without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law
and the prophets, even the righteousness of God which is
by the faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them
that believe, for there is no difference.(Romans 3:19-22)

Let's stop right here for a moment and glean some
important facts from this passage in Romans. Note especially
the first sentence. It reads, "Whatever the law says, it is saying
it to -- WHO? "To those who are UNDER THE LAW."
Note that: Whatever the law is saying -- it is saying it to
those "under the law." This tells us what the term "under the
law" means: If I am "under the law," the law is speaking to
ME. Or to put it in reverse: If the law is speaking to me, I
am "under the law." I am listening to it and allowing it to
govern my living.
Ok. But what is the law saying to those who are "under
the law?" It is defining good and evil. It is commanding that
we DO the good and refuse the evil. Then it is judging our
works to see whether we have perfectly obeyed it. If we
haven't -- and we can't -- the law tells us we are
condemned to death.
That is what the law says to those who are "under the law."
It also sounds quite a lot like the life of many Christians. Many
Christians look to the law to tell them what to do and not do.
They believe that if they do not obey the law they will be
judged -- even condemned. For some, the law is the only
voice they hear.
What is wrong with that? Isn't the law holy, just, and good?
Sure it is. But that is precisely why if you live under the law it
will condemn you. There is no escape from the holy judgment
of God's law! But God has something better for us. He has
put us under His grace He has put us where the condemning
voice of the law cannot speak: In Christ.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#481661 Jan 29, 2013
Paul said: "Whatever the law says, it says it to those under the law."

He also said: "But you are not under law, but under grace,"

If the law is speaking to those "under the law," and God
tells us we are NOT "under the law" -- but "under grace" --
then the law cannot be speaking to US. There is simply no
other conclusion possible.
This is further verified if we read on in our passage from
Romans 3. Paul says, "Therefore we conclude that a man is
justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law." (Rom. 3:28)
Now ask: If those "under grace" are justified WITHOUT the
deeds of the law, then how can the law be speaking to them?
It can't be speaking to them. The law has absolutely nothing
to do with their justification. It is not judging their deeds or
passing sentence upon them. They are justified solely by
grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Now we can better see what the terms "under the law," and
"under grace" really mean. Being "under the law" means that
my works -- as directed and judged by the law --
determine my justification and standing before God. Being
"under grace," however, means that I am justified before God
completely apart from my works. In effect, to be "under the
law" means that my works determine EVERYTHING. But to be
"under grace" means that my works determine NOTHING. By
faith I stand "under" the finished work of my Saviour.
"Now wait a minute. If the law doesn't speak to those
under grace, then they can sin all they want. There will be no
restraint; no holy standards to follow."
Once we grasp the Truth of God's grace, we will know that
it does not do away with obedience to God. Indeed, rather
than do away with obedience, the grace of God is the only real
means of obedience there is. Why? Because through God's
grace I don't merely DO righteous deeds, I BECOME a
righteous person -- through the Living Christ in me. In
Christ, obedience to God becomes natural and voluntary --
simply because I love Him.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#481662 Jan 29, 2013
To get to the Truth of law vs. grace, we must ask two
important questions. First: Are we "under law" or "under
grace?" Actually, the answer to that question is easy: We are
"under grace." Romans 6:14, quoted above, says so.
But the second question, well, that's not so easy: What do the
terms, "under law," and "under grace," really mean? It is
confusion as to what these terms really mean which has
caused much bondage and deception among God's people.
Let's begin by examining how the Bible uses the term
"under the law."

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says it to
those who are under the law, that every mouth may be
stopped, and the whole world may become guilty before
God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no
flesh be justified in His sight. For by the law is the
knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God
without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law
and the prophets, even the righteousness of God which is
by the faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them
that believe, for there is no difference.(Romans 3:19-22)

Let's stop right here for a moment and glean some
important facts from this passage in Romans. Note especially
the first sentence. It reads, "Whatever the law says, it is saying
it to -- WHO? "To those who are UNDER THE LAW."
Note that: Whatever the law is saying -- it is saying it to
those "under the law." This tells us what the term "under the
law" means: If I am "under the law," the law is speaking to
ME. Or to put it in reverse: If the law is speaking to me, I
am "under the law." I am listening to it and allowing it to
govern my living.
Ok. But what is the law saying to those who are "under
the law?" It is defining good and evil. It is commanding that
we DO the good and refuse the evil. Then it is judging our
works to see whether we have perfectly obeyed it. If we
haven't -- and we can't -- the law tells us we are
condemned to death.
That is what the law says to those who are "under the law."
It also sounds quite a lot like the life of many Christians. Many
Christians look to the law to tell them what to do and not do.
They believe that if they do not obey the law they will be
judged -- even condemned. For some, the law is the only
voice they hear.
What is wrong with that? Isn't the law holy, just, and good?
Sure it is. But that is precisely why if you live under the law it
will condemn you. There is no escape from the holy judgment
of God's law! But God has something better for us. He has
put us under His grace He has put us where the condemning
voice of the law cannot speak: In Christ.

http://www.goodnewsarticles.com/Jul98-4.htm

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481663 Jan 29, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
Paul said: "Whatever the law says, it says it to those under the law."....
Yup. Paul was a pagan antisemite and often contradicted Jesus.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#481664 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Well that proves the "Holy Spirit" as espoused by Christians is a rarity.
Christian Wisdom, as you described it, exists in few Christians.
Chrisitnaity is often its own worst advocate.
Certainly nothing wrong with espoused with the holy spirit nor in the rarity of it either.Point being it does exist in some.And the own worst advocate is only a opinion.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481665 Jan 29, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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Certainly nothing wrong with espoused with the holy spirit nor in the rarity of it either.Point being it does exist in some.And the own worst advocate is only a opinion.
The same fine qualities are exhibited in just as many non-christians.

The Christian "Holy Spirit" theory gets shot down at every turn.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#481666 Jan 29, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
Paul said: "Whatever the law says, it says it to those under the law."
He also said: "But you are not under law, but under grace,"
And in turn, G_O_D said, "Yup. Paul was a pagan antisemite and often contradicted Jesus."

Do you see what happens, Grace Walker, when we don't truly understand Paul's letters and continue to share such erroneous heresy? But, you don't care, though. You'll rather be right than try to understand how you're mistaken.

Shame, that is.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#481667 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The same fine qualities are exhibited in just as many non-christians.
The Christian "Holy Spirit" theory gets shot down at every turn.
The holy spirit never gets shot down.Only in your mind and with your opinion.Yes will agree I even found a few fine qualities in non believers.Like you always stouting about Paul but he just keeps right on coming back thru scripture after scripture.The Holy spirit does the same thing just keep coming back.So you can shout theory all you want.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#481668 Jan 29, 2013
Paul spoke against the works of the flesh, behavior that's surely and also prohibited in the law. Paul taught, extensively, on marriage and divorce, showing that all are still subject to these laws. Paul declared that the law is "holy," "just," "good," and "spiritual." But, yet, we have so many that claim that Paul taught against the law and that the law's been done away with. Then, we wonder why many call these people "Pauline Christians," which doesn't make much sense, actually, unless Paul is the Savior and not Yahowshua.

Why won't they learn, or at least listen, Lord?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481669 Jan 29, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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The holy spirit never gets shot down....
The Christian theory does every time. It is an excuse to play God and tell others you are right and they are wrong.

Ruach Ha'Kodesh is in every living creature, unless Genesis is a pack of lies.

Perhaps you should ask a Jew to explain their language to you.
Serah

Wynn Vale, Australia

#481670 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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So you discount 95% of DNA as meaningless because it invalidates your theory? OK
No.... how did you work that out? And then answer your question?

***What is Junk DNA?
www.wisegeek.com/what-is-junk-dna.htm
Whatever you call it, the percentage of junk DNA in the genome is often quite high. In humans, for example, 95% of the genome is composed of noncoding DNA***

Just because the scientists, once upon a time, discounted 95% of our DNA as junk or meaningless, does not mean that I did.

Thank GOD they have changed their minds (again) because they have realised our 'junk' is useful and they have stopped calling in their playground.

What I did say was that they will never trace a human being back to an animal..... nothing what so ever to do with useless, OK?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481671 Jan 29, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
Paul spoke against the works of the flesh, behavior that's surely and also prohibited in the law. Paul taught, extensively, on marriage and divorce, showing that all are still subject to these laws. Paul declared that the law is "holy," "just," "good," and "spiritual." But, yet, we have so many that claim that Paul taught against the law and that the law's been done away with. Then, we wonder why many call these people "Pauline Christians," which doesn't make much sense, actually, unless Paul is the Savior and not Yahowshua.
Why won't they learn, or at least listen, Lord?
It is called Pauline because the words of Paul are taken as more important, truthful and exact than the words of Jesus. Note how Jesus' words are used to prove Paul instead of the other way around.

Paul was a preacher espousing his opinions and interpretations. He was not God, Jesus nor Messiah. He was no different than the Pastor who lives nextdoor or the Priest in the Parochial House next to the Chapel.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#481672 Jan 29, 2013
For the record...

I spent a good portion of today, on Facebook, debating with a Messianic Jew-ish friend of mine that totally rejects all of Paul's letters, accusing Paul of contradicting all that our anointed Savior, and his apostles and disciples, taught. I tried to explain to her that the error is not in what Paul wrote, but in how people, especially those of Christendom, interpret his letters. For most of our discussion, we examined Paul's letter to the Galatians. We agreed to continue our discussion tomorrow. But, before we closed our discussion, she admitted to finally being able to understand how the discrepancies occur. And tomorrow, we hope to continue our discussion by re-examining the letter to the Galatians, to show her what Paul was explaining, specifically. And after that, I hope to show her what Paul laws Paul was referring to, specifically, when he mentions the laws we're no longer under.

Thank you, "God," for humility.

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