Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#481661 Jan 29, 2013
Paul said: "Whatever the law says, it says it to those under the law."

He also said: "But you are not under law, but under grace,"

If the law is speaking to those "under the law," and God
tells us we are NOT "under the law" -- but "under grace" --
then the law cannot be speaking to US. There is simply no
other conclusion possible.
This is further verified if we read on in our passage from
Romans 3. Paul says, "Therefore we conclude that a man is
justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law." (Rom. 3:28)
Now ask: If those "under grace" are justified WITHOUT the
deeds of the law, then how can the law be speaking to them?
It can't be speaking to them. The law has absolutely nothing
to do with their justification. It is not judging their deeds or
passing sentence upon them. They are justified solely by
grace through faith in Jesus Christ.
Now we can better see what the terms "under the law," and
"under grace" really mean. Being "under the law" means that
my works -- as directed and judged by the law --
determine my justification and standing before God. Being
"under grace," however, means that I am justified before God
completely apart from my works. In effect, to be "under the
law" means that my works determine EVERYTHING. But to be
"under grace" means that my works determine NOTHING. By
faith I stand "under" the finished work of my Saviour.
"Now wait a minute. If the law doesn't speak to those
under grace, then they can sin all they want. There will be no
restraint; no holy standards to follow."
Once we grasp the Truth of God's grace, we will know that
it does not do away with obedience to God. Indeed, rather
than do away with obedience, the grace of God is the only real
means of obedience there is. Why? Because through God's
grace I don't merely DO righteous deeds, I BECOME a
righteous person -- through the Living Christ in me. In
Christ, obedience to God becomes natural and voluntary --
simply because I love Him.

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#481662 Jan 29, 2013
To get to the Truth of law vs. grace, we must ask two
important questions. First: Are we "under law" or "under
grace?" Actually, the answer to that question is easy: We are
"under grace." Romans 6:14, quoted above, says so.
But the second question, well, that's not so easy: What do the
terms, "under law," and "under grace," really mean? It is
confusion as to what these terms really mean which has
caused much bondage and deception among God's people.
Let's begin by examining how the Bible uses the term
"under the law."

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says it to
those who are under the law, that every mouth may be
stopped, and the whole world may become guilty before
God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no
flesh be justified in His sight. For by the law is the
knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God
without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law
and the prophets, even the righteousness of God which is
by the faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them
that believe, for there is no difference.(Romans 3:19-22)

Let's stop right here for a moment and glean some
important facts from this passage in Romans. Note especially
the first sentence. It reads, "Whatever the law says, it is saying
it to -- WHO? "To those who are UNDER THE LAW."
Note that: Whatever the law is saying -- it is saying it to
those "under the law." This tells us what the term "under the
law" means: If I am "under the law," the law is speaking to
ME. Or to put it in reverse: If the law is speaking to me, I
am "under the law." I am listening to it and allowing it to
govern my living.
Ok. But what is the law saying to those who are "under
the law?" It is defining good and evil. It is commanding that
we DO the good and refuse the evil. Then it is judging our
works to see whether we have perfectly obeyed it. If we
haven't -- and we can't -- the law tells us we are
condemned to death.
That is what the law says to those who are "under the law."
It also sounds quite a lot like the life of many Christians. Many
Christians look to the law to tell them what to do and not do.
They believe that if they do not obey the law they will be
judged -- even condemned. For some, the law is the only
voice they hear.
What is wrong with that? Isn't the law holy, just, and good?
Sure it is. But that is precisely why if you live under the law it
will condemn you. There is no escape from the holy judgment
of God's law! But God has something better for us. He has
put us under His grace He has put us where the condemning
voice of the law cannot speak: In Christ.

http://www.goodnewsarticles.com/Jul98-4.htm

“"None shall pass"”

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#481663 Jan 29, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
Paul said: "Whatever the law says, it says it to those under the law."....
Yup. Paul was a pagan antisemite and often contradicted Jesus.

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#481664 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Well that proves the "Holy Spirit" as espoused by Christians is a rarity.
Christian Wisdom, as you described it, exists in few Christians.
Chrisitnaity is often its own worst advocate.
Certainly nothing wrong with espoused with the holy spirit nor in the rarity of it either.Point being it does exist in some.And the own worst advocate is only a opinion.

“"None shall pass"”

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#481665 Jan 29, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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Certainly nothing wrong with espoused with the holy spirit nor in the rarity of it either.Point being it does exist in some.And the own worst advocate is only a opinion.
The same fine qualities are exhibited in just as many non-christians.

The Christian "Holy Spirit" theory gets shot down at every turn.

“Become Love!”

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#481666 Jan 29, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
Paul said: "Whatever the law says, it says it to those under the law."
He also said: "But you are not under law, but under grace,"
And in turn, G_O_D said, "Yup. Paul was a pagan antisemite and often contradicted Jesus."

Do you see what happens, Grace Walker, when we don't truly understand Paul's letters and continue to share such erroneous heresy? But, you don't care, though. You'll rather be right than try to understand how you're mistaken.

Shame, that is.

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#481667 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The same fine qualities are exhibited in just as many non-christians.
The Christian "Holy Spirit" theory gets shot down at every turn.
The holy spirit never gets shot down.Only in your mind and with your opinion.Yes will agree I even found a few fine qualities in non believers.Like you always stouting about Paul but he just keeps right on coming back thru scripture after scripture.The Holy spirit does the same thing just keep coming back.So you can shout theory all you want.

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#481668 Jan 29, 2013
Paul spoke against the works of the flesh, behavior that's surely and also prohibited in the law. Paul taught, extensively, on marriage and divorce, showing that all are still subject to these laws. Paul declared that the law is "holy," "just," "good," and "spiritual." But, yet, we have so many that claim that Paul taught against the law and that the law's been done away with. Then, we wonder why many call these people "Pauline Christians," which doesn't make much sense, actually, unless Paul is the Savior and not Yahowshua.

Why won't they learn, or at least listen, Lord?

“"None shall pass"”

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#481669 Jan 29, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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The holy spirit never gets shot down....
The Christian theory does every time. It is an excuse to play God and tell others you are right and they are wrong.

Ruach Ha'Kodesh is in every living creature, unless Genesis is a pack of lies.

Perhaps you should ask a Jew to explain their language to you.
Serah

Wynn Vale, Australia

#481670 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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So you discount 95% of DNA as meaningless because it invalidates your theory? OK
No.... how did you work that out? And then answer your question?

***What is Junk DNA?
www.wisegeek.com/what-is-junk-dna.htm
Whatever you call it, the percentage of junk DNA in the genome is often quite high. In humans, for example, 95% of the genome is composed of noncoding DNA***

Just because the scientists, once upon a time, discounted 95% of our DNA as junk or meaningless, does not mean that I did.

Thank GOD they have changed their minds (again) because they have realised our 'junk' is useful and they have stopped calling in their playground.

What I did say was that they will never trace a human being back to an animal..... nothing what so ever to do with useless, OK?

“"None shall pass"”

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#481671 Jan 29, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
Paul spoke against the works of the flesh, behavior that's surely and also prohibited in the law. Paul taught, extensively, on marriage and divorce, showing that all are still subject to these laws. Paul declared that the law is "holy," "just," "good," and "spiritual." But, yet, we have so many that claim that Paul taught against the law and that the law's been done away with. Then, we wonder why many call these people "Pauline Christians," which doesn't make much sense, actually, unless Paul is the Savior and not Yahowshua.
Why won't they learn, or at least listen, Lord?
It is called Pauline because the words of Paul are taken as more important, truthful and exact than the words of Jesus. Note how Jesus' words are used to prove Paul instead of the other way around.

Paul was a preacher espousing his opinions and interpretations. He was not God, Jesus nor Messiah. He was no different than the Pastor who lives nextdoor or the Priest in the Parochial House next to the Chapel.

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#481672 Jan 29, 2013
For the record...

I spent a good portion of today, on Facebook, debating with a Messianic Jew-ish friend of mine that totally rejects all of Paul's letters, accusing Paul of contradicting all that our anointed Savior, and his apostles and disciples, taught. I tried to explain to her that the error is not in what Paul wrote, but in how people, especially those of Christendom, interpret his letters. For most of our discussion, we examined Paul's letter to the Galatians. We agreed to continue our discussion tomorrow. But, before we closed our discussion, she admitted to finally being able to understand how the discrepancies occur. And tomorrow, we hope to continue our discussion by re-examining the letter to the Galatians, to show her what Paul was explaining, specifically. And after that, I hope to show her what Paul laws Paul was referring to, specifically, when he mentions the laws we're no longer under.

Thank you, "God," for humility.
Serah

Wynn Vale, Australia

#481673 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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So you discount 95% of DNA as meaningless because it invalidates your theory. OK
***The papers, representing 10 years of work of the ENCODE ("Encyclopedia of DNA Elements") project, completed by hundreds of scientists from dozens of labs around the world, reveal that 80% of the human genome serves some purpose and is biochemically active, for example, in regulating the expression of genes situated nearby.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/2500... ***

“"None shall pass"”

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#481674 Jan 29, 2013
I find it strange that so many will defend Paul more than Jesus Himself.

If someone says "Paul was a pagan" they get more flack than if they say "Jesus was just a Jew on a stick."

“"None shall pass"”

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#481675 Jan 29, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>
***The papers, representing 10 years of work of the ENCODE ("Encyclopedia of DNA Elements") project, completed by hundreds of scientists from dozens of labs around the world, reveal that 80% of the human genome serves some purpose and is biochemically active, for example, in regulating the expression of genes situated nearby.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/2500... ***
Do you realize that over 90% of our DNA is identical with Gorillas, Chimps and Orangutans ?

“Become Love!”

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#481676 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
The Christian theory does every time. It is an excuse to play God and tell others you are right and they are wrong.
Ruach Ha'Kodesh is in every living creature, unless Genesis is a pack of lies.
Perhaps you should ask a Jew to explain their language to you.
So much talk of the Holy Spirit. And it's beyond wearisome.

Our anointed Savior said, "If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you."

I wonder how many of us, here, can perform such wonders? I wonder how many of us, here, possess such power? If the answer is "None," then where are all the faithful?

Do I deny the existence of the Holy Spirit? Lord forbid! But, I wonder how many misunderstand the presence of the Holy Spirit in our generations?

I wonder.

“Become Love!”

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#481677 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
It is called Pauline because the words of Paul are taken as more important, truthful and exact than the words of Jesus. Note how Jesus' words are used to prove Paul instead of the other way around.
Paul was a preacher espousing his opinions and interpretations. He was not God, Jesus nor Messiah. He was no different than the Pastor who lives nextdoor or the Priest in the Parochial House next to the Chapel.
That's because Paul's letters served a different function than that of the apostles.

The apostles, for the most part, recorded the teachings of our anointed Savior and the events that took place as he walked among us. The apostles recorded teachings that our anointed Savior taught to those that were already aware of the law. Paul's letters, on the other hand, expounded on the teachings of our anointed Savior to congregations that were, for the most part, Gentiles, and had no understanding of the law, nor the spiritual significance of those laws our anointed Savior taught. Paul gave these congregations more an explanation as to what our anointed Savior meant.

“Become Love!”

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#481678 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
I find it strange that so many will defend Paul more than Jesus Himself.
If someone says "Paul was a pagan" they get more flack than if they say "Jesus was just a Jew on a stick."
You've encountered some confused believers, then.

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#481679 Jan 29, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>You've encountered some confused believers, then.
Most are.

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#481680 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The Christian theory does every time. It is an excuse to play God and tell others you are right and they are wrong.
Ruach Ha'Kodesh is in every living creature, unless Genesis is a pack of lies.
Perhaps you should ask a Jew to explain their language to you.
You keep using the Christian theory.Not everyone holds with what mankind theory is.I do not need a excuse to read scriptures.
You delight in piting one belief against another belief.But if that is what rolls your wheels so be it.

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