“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#481454 Jan 29, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. morning diamonds ..
.. my, you're collecting negative judgeits. Did you steal someone's God ??..
Lol...it has always been that way, I don't presume to know why but I do have stalkers.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481455 Jan 29, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.... "All biology is based on evolutionary theory." .....
You have that backwards.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481456 Jan 29, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
Awww thanx <3 LOL! I love it, may I use it?
Cheers :)
I'm glad you liked it.

It's not mine to give, but I'm pretty sure that Al would be good with it.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481457 Jan 29, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>No, I actually believe the earth is possibly billions and billions of years old... there are young-earth theorists and old-earth theoristist... both groups are Creationists but differ it not only the age of the earth but of creation itself. I mean, it can take millions to billions of years of starlight to get to us so why would anyone believe that creation itself is only around 6000 years old is beyond me. The "days" in Genesis is a word that would describe "era's" or "eons". Now I used to believe in young-earth creationism... that is before I asked any questions.
<quoted text>No.. HFY.. actually you are partly correct. I was christened in the RCC, was born of Catholic parents... but I've left the RCC for around 24 years now. Now, I remember when G_O_D and I were going back and forth on Darwin... but as I was sending out certain studies... I had come to learn that evolution... at least the concept did not "originally" start with Darwin or his father or his grandfather... but it is a very old concept way before the Darwins were a twinkle in ol' Pappy's eye... it just that, that old concept wasn't called evolution. Makes me want to go and find it again.
Uhm...you may have to disregard my previous post :)

Ok, so you are not using the standard definition of creationism and instead using a "long earth" version - a sort of hands off version. Your premise is that God Created the universe, with a Plan, and we are the result.

Yes, lots of scientists believe the very same. Although I daresay they don't reflect very deeply on their beliefs, nor question them as vigorously as they do their science.

First, believing that your deity created the universe is not scientifically supportable. It's an inference. Atheism is also an inference. However, I argue that atheism - or, at least - non-belief in any human-imagined deity - has the backing of the social sciences, if not the hard sciences.

But I only have evidence on my side, not testable, disprovable hypotheses, so I'll concede that atheism, like theism, is an inference.

Second, there are 2 problems with the Christian belief that their God Created the universe.

1. Why your deity and not any other from any other religion? Neither you nor any believer has empirical evidence that supports personal belief in your deities. Of course you all have personal experiences that prove your religion to you - but these are encultured experiences; your brain is the product of your culture and religion and so you have culture and religious specific experiences.

2. The world around us is not as your mythological texts describe. Further, the deity described in those texts does not fit the deity believed and worshiped by people. Take disease, for example. Unless you are going to concede that God does not share human morality, you're going to have a tough time explaining the high mortality rates of impoverished children to disease. And, once you concede that God could not share human morality, if He existed, then you've lost Omnibenevolence. And we can continue from here.

To sum: while scientists may also be believers, and therefore believe the universe was Created, they are doing so by not overly scrutinizing their beliefs. Nor are they suggesting that humans were specially created by your deity, that we didn't evolve.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481458 Jan 29, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
@ HFY... now, it is crazy distance from the earth to the moon (not looking it up but it's many, many thousands of miles)... and 93 million miles away from the sun (I do remember that from elemetary).
Now concerning our own Solar System, if we could figure it out in miles... could you imagine what the square miles of our own solar system would be? It would be insurmountable. And as you know there are billions upon billions of systems and constellations out there.
So on this little planet of ours within our solar system... it is literally "teeming" with all sorts of life, so much so that it is mind-blowing. Whether animate or inanimate... and all sorts of life and species still yet to be discovered on our own little planet. So you mean to tell me that out of the whole, vast solar system of ours we just happen to be the only one that is "naturally selected" out-of-the-blue to be teeming with life? No dear... I don't think so. It was planned, it was designed and it was intentional.
1. Yes, the solar system is big.

2. No, it's not teeming with life. The earth is, that's true.

3. You don't know that other solar systems don't have life.

4. Just because the solar system and universe are large, and that ours houses life, does not prove that they were intelligently designed.

5. In fact, it demonstrates the opposite. Why don't other planets in our solar system have life? How could a designer be so poor at designing?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481459 Jan 29, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Encouraging Words....
The earnest prayer of a righteous person has great power and produces wonderful results.
James 5:16
K-Love
With all due respect, what do these words encourage apart from prayer? To an unbeliever, they're not encouraging words. To a believer, they are an affirmation that he or she can make difference by praying.

Does it matter to you whether the words are true or not? What if the claim could be tested? Would you want to know the results, even if they contradicted the claim? If you love truth, I think that your answer has to be "yes." Do you disagree?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481460 Jan 29, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I watched it on Netflix.
I'd love to hear your and hiding's thoughts on it.
Looking up the title now. For some reason, it sometimes takes a while to connect. I think I need a better wireless router.
Aha. That took a while.
It's The Human Family Tree.
You can watch it here, too:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/human-family-t...
Wow! Thanks. Today's a full day, but I'll be looking at that ASAP.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481461 Jan 29, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I saw a chart about the RCC and their own evolution... it was somewhere in that timeline where they were more open to evolution.
Believers believe in evolution because that is what they were taught in school... they had no choice. I can get in the whole spill about how it started to get taught in the classrooms but that is for another day unless someone would like to do due diligence on their own and look for it for themselves which would be plus. Nevertheless, Evolution wasn't always taught in schools but when it did arrive on the scene it didn't come without racism (survival of the fittest)... and I understand Darwin used animals to make this point but the powers that believe politically-corrected it for their own prejudices. Not just the fittest of whites against blacks but even whites against whites in Europe. Scientific racism actually...
Evolution and Eugenics are intertwined... Survival of the fittest.
Only someone who doesn't understand evolution could write what you wrote. All of us evolutionary theorists have moved on beyond the early 20th century. That was, what, a hundred years ago?

Science isn't stagnant like dogma.

And...all evidence demonstrates evolution. Francis Crick, Christian, quoted on this thread by Serah, wrote that "if you don't accept evolution, you aren't educated." The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. It has never been disproved, not once.

And you creationists have never, not once, put up a theoretical framework for your story. The very best you can do is rest your belief on your inability to understand science. You never rest your belief on evidence. Nor on application - creationism is incapable of producing new knowledge and technology.

So the very best you have is deception, misdirection and ignorance.

Well done.

When you come up with a theoretical framework or a medicine, let me know.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481462 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I guess I would have to make a distinction between Natural Eugenics and Gov't enforced Eugenics. However, both are evolutionary forces.
I'd have to disagree with you here - mostly over your use of language.

Calling natural selection eugenics is misusing the term eugenics. If we do that, then we fail to understand how human enforced breeding programs differ from death because of environmental forces.

Second, gov't enforced eugenics leads to evolutionary change in the short term in that gene frequencies in gene pools change. However, it cannot lead to long term evolution unless the society strictly carries out the eugenics schemes for a very long time - longer than any society has yet existed.

If they could, though, you'd have powerful, directed evolution.

Since: Oct 12

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#481463 Jan 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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hahaha!
How many religions are there? Every single believer of every single religion "knows" that they are "correct" - just like you do.
So...forgive me for not believing in your evil deity. Why should I take yours over any other religion's?
Honestly do not know how many religions there are.No wrong not all believers think in this way.No is only one of me and they do not think like me.You could not have what I have you have to go and seek your own.

Tis nothing to forgive cause I never ask you to believe.I do not have a regilion for you to take or join.What I do have is a personal walk with God and in doin that walk I share.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#481464 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I certainly hope there is competing theories or its no more than a religion and I have been doing it wrong all these years.
Come up with a competing theory, a valid one, and you will probably win a Nobel Prize.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481465 Jan 29, 2013
Aerobatty wrote:
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I watched it on Netflix.
I'd love to hear your and hiding's thoughts on it.
Looking up the title now. For some reason, it sometimes takes a while to connect. I think I need a better wireless router.
Aha. That took a while.
It's The Human Family Tree.
You can watch it here, too:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/human-family-t...
Hi Aero!

I don't have my regular laptop, but once it comes and if I can find this again, I'll check it out and give you some thoughts.

:)

Thanks for thinking of me!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481466 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Ooooh! Oooh! Pick mine! Pick mine!
LOL
hahaha, ok!

Yours is the one true God. Named G_O_D.

(now ... uhm...how would I know that...?)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481467 Jan 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
creationism is not used in science. It's absolutely useless as an explanatory paradigm as it cannot generate testable, disprovable hypotheses.
As you know too well ....

Creationist investigations have generated no new factual information, have published no scientific papers supporting creationism over naturalism that are more than editorial pieces, have predicted nothing unexpected, and cannot be used to predict or manipulate nature or benefit our daily lives.

Creationism doesn't resemble science in another important way: Unlike science,which has no agenda apart from understanding the material world, creationists set out to prove their faith based belief, meaning it is agenda driven.

Legitimate science goes where the evidence takes it, however counterintuitive that may be. Inject a religious agenda and a desired end point, and you introduce a confirmation bias that applies a continual unidirectional pressure to the experiments and methodologies chosen, and a confirmation bias to their interpretation.

“I see quantum effects”

Since: Jan 11

In the macro world.

#481468 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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You have that backwards.
No she doesn't.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#481469 Jan 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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... The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. It has never been disproved, not once....
Sounding much like a religion.

"The evidence for a creator is overwhelming. God has never been disproved, not once."

Dang them double-edged swords. <smile>

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481470 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I certainly hope there is competing theories or its no more than a religion and I have been doing it wrong all these years.
I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. There are no competing theories with evolutionary theory.

Evolution is the framework theory of biological science. There is no competing framework theory.

Yes, there are competing hypotheses about the details of evolution. But there are no competing theories that could replace evolutionary theory.

It has nothing to do with religion. Simply, all available evidence and observations demonstrate that gene frequency change in gene pools, over time, leads to changing morphology (new species). While we don't have every detail worked out, the basic theoretical framework is.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#481471 Jan 29, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Write to me "creationism declares X and X is what we observe in nature. In fact, we use X to predict Y and produce treatment Z. That's how powerful X is." What creationist observations do we have? None. What creationist predictions do we have about nature? None. What creationist technology or solutions do we have about nature? None.

The thing is, you creationists scream and rant all you like, but you never produce new knowledge or technology. You are incapable of solving real world problems like malaria or tuberculosis - let's not forget the creationist "disease as sin" model. You are incapable of explaining why pathogens exist, how to treat them, how to eradicate them, why they affect us as they do.

Evolution answers these questions with ease. It produces all kinds of medical technology and medical knowledge.

Creationism doesn't. It's a religious belief
See there! I knew that you already knew that.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481472 Jan 29, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. morning sweetness ..
.. you forgot to say, "All biology is based on evolutionary theory." ..
.. always liked that one ..
.. Tide promises to return you to the trunk shortly ..
Good morning!

I've already made good my escape. Poor Tide. Returning to the trunk for no reason.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#481473 Jan 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Creationism declares that nothing on Earth changes and species can not change.
Since we can observe the planet changing and the differentiation wihtin species, that disproves Creationism.
Only someone who is so insane as to believe that words in a book are facts and the reality around them is false can accept the Static Model of Life and the Cosmos as described in Genesis.
BTW, According to Genesis, the moon does not exist nor do any planets. Don't see them jumping on THAT particular bandwagon of lunacy.
hahaha, totally!

Huh? Genesis doesn't believe in the moon or planets? Wow...ok...one more nail in the coffin.

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