Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#480155 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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What you're saying makes no sense. You would like what you say to be true, but what you say is far from the truth. You can call me bigot if you like. As far as I'm concerned, as long as I'm standing up for the right thing, then I don't mind your silly little labels.
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I don't need to rationalize my position, especially to one who clings to it so much it has become normalcy to him. It isn't about "different", it is perverse and is wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if you all started your own religion and used a creation story to promote teh fuirst two human beings being Adam and Steve.
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FAIL. Unless the homosexuals break partnership and either sleeps with the opposite sex or by way of in Vitro Fertilization. Your point is weak and desperate.
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The act is sick, nasty and demonic. Sure I don't believe the gays should be slaughtered in the streets like cattle, or beaten with sticks and stones or mocked constantly. They should be taught that their sexual debauchery isn't right and they should seek psychological help or simple just ask the Creator to have mercy upon their souls.
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Don't side track the argument. You full well know what I mean and you're simply just being evasive. What happened with your intelligence in this conversation? You're struggling to make even a half decent point.
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Utter rubbish. Unless you mean the vast majority of Americans and Europeans. Mankind in their own heart is lustful and wicked. the Law shows them the errors of their ways and the Savior forgives their tresspass.
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From the position which you speak, you really expect me to take what you say as sensible and righteous?
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I'm sensing that you really don't care what goes on during sex. I'm glad the nostril isn't big enough or you people would probably want to stick your d**k in it and say booger makes great lubricant. What you're saying doesn't justify your position Wild Rider. These inventions are evil in their intent. Why not the real thing? Why are women who are naturally small and tight want to make themselves undesireable only to please themselves by taking 12 and 14 inch synthetic dildos? If many were naturally tight and exercised right, then maybe some of these sick nasty men wouldn't go searching for a tighter hole.
Apologies to the people for being so graphic, but you know this is true.
Counter_Strike.
I personally thank you for your post Andrew. You have hopefully shown others what hatred and bigotry looks like far more than what my words could ever say...especially that last paragraph. It shows what depths someone will sink to to condemn others.

I am sure that you will claim that it is not hatred or bigotry...call it what you would like but it is ugly...it is dangerous. Words such as you spoke here have incited violence in the past...lives have been lost because of the type of words that you just spoke.

You and your God might think homosexuality is a sin...but I promise you...you have not done God any favors with the hatred of your words.

I do not care what you or any other Christian believes is a sin. I do care however when words of such hatred and violence are spoken. When such words do damage and bring violence toward others.

I normally stay out of the "homosexual" conversations on this thread...until words such as yours are spoken.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#480156 Jan 24, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Your unmitigated bigotry.
Yes, and your point being?

Epic fail.

Bigotry, and Homophobia....you all come up with fancy words to justify your plight.

Poor, very poor.

I wish you would get back on track with the topic of this thread rather than pursue this failed agenda you support so vigorously.

CS.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#480157 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
the Law shows them the errors of their ways and the Savior forgives their tresspass.
Counter_Strike.
The Savior?

Who is this Savior?

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#480158 Jan 24, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Andrew...I am way behind again and trying to scroll from newest post back to where I left off but saw in a post from Q that your father passed. Sorry to hear that brother.(T) PEACE
Thanks Steve. He was a nice man (at least mostly). Since you've been away, someone kicked over a bucket of rainbow paint in here.

...anyone seen the mop?

Well, just asking. Why are you looking at me that way?
:)

Andrew (CS).

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#480159 Jan 24, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Good afternoon Qu, sorry but I can't quite agree, I think that they are better than their record portrayed them to be. But they are still in Atlanta's division..........so you know how that goes?!
I believe they should of held on to Julius Peppers... the owner let a lot of the older players go which means he let a lot of the wisdom go and hired much younger, out-of-college players at a cheaper rate. So anyways, they paid dearly for it as their previous record showed. Wisdom is mightier than strength. Then they let John Fox go but I think he was ready to leave (now coaching the Bronco's).

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#480160 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Well I shall be testing you even more Mr. Catcher. These same people make it difficult to show empathy towards them because they feel it not so necessary to separate their deviant lifestyle from their conversation. this therad was going fine before you all tried to paint it in rainbows and tie bows and ribbons on it.
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No...this thread was not doing just fine before these guys showed up. It was brother against brother...racism...each side claiming to be better Christians than the other.

What happened is people showed up that you abhor...you couldn't contain your animosity toward them. I didn't surprise me...I have seen it from you in that past.

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#480161 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Well I shall be testing you even more Mr. Catcher. These same people make it difficult to show empathy towards them because they feel it not so necessary to separate their deviant lifestyle from their conversation. this therad was going fine before you all tried to paint it in rainbows and tie bows and ribbons on it.
You're severely off topic with your rants. You are just as hateful for me as a despise the homosexed behavior. If the peopel could be separated from tehir sexual debauchery, what a wonderful though strange...but still wonderful human beings they would be. However, you fail to understand and you bunch yourself up with these people and their useless arguments as to why the gay is right.
You ought to know better, then comparing me to the violent KKK. You're such a silly little feller trying to drum up sympathy for the gay by comparing their struggles to the black civil rights movement. A watered down and putrid argument you supply. Worse, because you know you're wrong, you curse the Most High Creator. This is not Burger King, and you very well can't have things your way right away.
So man-up and stop behaving that way, so effeminate and softy. As a matter of fact, you're a coward, because you fail to see that all men are accountable for their deeds and you support man loving man as man loving women as ok and totally fine.
You're sick. no difference betwene you people and one Jeffrey Dahmer.
...and believe me, I was being very kind to you. Worse, you should apologize as well then leave this thread and go back from whence ye came.
That would be ok for starters.
Counter_Strike: As it si written, then let it be done.
You're losing it, dude.

Really losing it.

You need to pull yourself together; you're even poking at the wrong keys.

And perhaps you need a reminder that this is a public forum. The thread is not your private little bailiwick. All are free to participate.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#480163 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Yes, and your point being?
Epic fail.
Bigotry, and Homophobia....you all come up with fancy words to justify your plight.
Poor, very poor.
I wish you would get back on track with the topic of this thread rather than pursue this failed agenda you support so vigorously.
CS.
Topic of this thread??? Have you been discussing why Jesus should love you?

The title of this thread is not...What Does Andrew Want Gods/Jesus' Name To Be This Week.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#480165 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Thanks Steve. He was a nice man (at least mostly). Since you've been away, someone kicked over a bucket of rainbow paint in here.
...anyone seen the mop?
Well, just asking. Why are you looking at me that way?
:)
Andrew (CS).
So just throw them out with the mop water??? Is that what your faith teaches you Andrew?

Strange Andrew...you and all your faith...they have been a lot kinder to you than you have been to them.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#480166 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Thanks Steve. He was a nice man (at least mostly). Since you've been away, someone kicked over a bucket of rainbow paint in here.Andrew (CS).
.. indeed. That would be you ..

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#480167 Jan 24, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
Thank you for the reply.
Excellent points.
BTW, I got a tallit as a Channukah/Christmas present from a dear Christian friend. Love has no religious fences. <smile>
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That must be beautiful. You are right, love has no religious fences. Great point also. Did you ever wear it, even once?

Andrew (CS).

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#480168 Jan 24, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>its immoral because God said its immoral. I no have to give you reason. God said it, accept it or reject it.
So the Bible gives no reason, and you have none either.

So are you giving up eating shellfish? God said it was an abomination. And slavery is OK, right?
I no have to give you a reason why adultery immoral. God condemn it, its condemned.
There is a reason adultery is immoral. There is no reason homosexuality should be immoral.
Just because you take pleasure in homosexual acts, that not mean it moral.
Don't assume so much. I never said pleasure was a gauge of what was moral, and you know absolutely nothing about my sex life or even my gender.
And Jesus brother James say:2-18
But someone will say, "You have faith; I have deeds." Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by what I do.
So is both.
Mark 16:16 contradicts that. So does John 3:18-36. And Romans 3:20-28.

The Bible just can't make up it's mind. And this is a pretty basic part of Christian ideology.
How many times I have to write it. I no have anything against what the bible say about slavery. if the owner kill the slave, the owner is punished. if its an accident, then the owner not punished and just lose his investment in the slave. I no have any problem with that.
Wow, really? That's pretty reprehensible.
if I was living on the street and my daughter in danger from crime hunger and disease and I know a slave owner that sign contract with me saying my daughter will not be beaten or abused in anyway, she will have plenty of food to eat and drink, she can marry and have her own family one day, then yes, she can go into slavery.
According to the Bible, you don't need a reason to sell your daughter into slavery. And IMHO there is no good reason for doing so. And I'm pretty horrified that you think doing so is OK.
Now the reason I think you cling to the slavery argument is that you want to say the bible is immoral to condone slavery, so the bible immoral to condemn homosexuality, so you can go fulfill you lust and go sodomize another man. That why you clinging to the slavery argument. you too simple writer.
The Bible is immoral to condone slavery, and it gives no reason for condemning homosexuality, and like I said before, you don't have the slightest idea what my sex life is like, if I even have one.
Eating a ham and cheese is mot immoral today. Jesus fulfilled that law. but you no understand them things, you looking for excuse to go sodomize, so go on.
Doesn't it strike you that God's laws are inconsistent? Why did God give laws that it later had to completely change? And why Did God get rid of all those inconvenient dietary laws, but slavery was still perfectly OK?

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#480169 Jan 24, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>lol... oh, I better not go there. I'll just say KC & The Sunshine Band.
You mean this:



I liked the '70s too, some great tunes came out of that decade. I was late teens to early twenties , so probably around you brothers ages:)

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#480170 Jan 24, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. that analogy doesn't work for me ..
.. guilt is the result of recognizing wrong from right ..
.. there's nothing morally wrong with not wanting to wear a seat belt nor is there anything morally wrong with love ..
But don't the authorities punish us for not wearing a seatbelt. I guess what I'm trying to say, isn't there reason for passing the seatbelt law based on moral grounds? Whether it is for the driver, passenger and children?

Using that argument on love... I guess that could be also used to condone the teacher who left her marriage and 4 kids and fell in love her student. Now I understand that you're not condoning pedophelia at all here... I'm just sayin' that even though a person may love somebody or attracted to somebody does not mean that a moral high-ground isn't in existence. Like, if you get married to another female. You expect her to remain faithful to you and not cheat on your vows right? What if she came home and said she loved someone else. I would say that even in this case there is a moral high-ground.

I guess my point is, there is a moral high-ground and that perhaps we shouldn't always act on our feelings of another person. Self-discipline would be needed, right?

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#480171 Jan 24, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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No...this thread was not doing just fine before these guys showed up. It was brother against brother...racism...each side claiming to be better Christians than the other.
What happened is people showed up that you abhor...you couldn't contain your animosity toward them. I didn't surprise me...I have seen it from you in that past.

Topic of this thread??? Have you been discussing why Jesus should love you?

The title of this thread is not...What Does Andrew Want Gods/Jesus' Name To Be This Week.

So just throw them out with the mop water??? Is that what your faith teaches you Andrew?

Strange Andrew...you and all your faith...they have been a lot kinder to you than you have been to them.
at least you show who you really are. you throw you lot in with the secular humanist. you no write anything except when you write to attack the jesus follower.

didn't you say you giving up the faith? so why you keep hanging around and when the time convenient do a sneak attack?

you only attack when you think you have backup? iyai! lol. at least you can say you made some new friends.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#480172 Jan 24, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Thanks Steve. He was a nice man (at least mostly). Since you've been away, someone kicked over a bucket of rainbow paint in here.
...anyone seen the mop?
Well, just asking. Why are you looking at me that way?
:)
Andrew (CS).
BTW Andrew

I am truly sorry to hear of your fathers passing. I hope that you had time to say to him all that needed saying. Sometimes we don't get to say those things that are important to each other and have regrets that we didn't get the chance.

Sometimes though when two people love each other...words are not necessary...

Since: Sep 10

Fremont, CA

#480173 Jan 24, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>But don't the authorities punish us for not wearing a seatbelt. I guess what I'm trying to say, isn't there reason for passing the seatbelt law based on moral grounds? Whether it is for the driver, passenger and children?
The seatbelt law is based on the ground of safety.

Seat belts save lives.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#480174 Jan 24, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Irrelevant. The word was homophobia, not phobia.
Homophobia is an "irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals"
You all made that up. I fear no one and that includes the ape people and homosexuals too. Although I admit that clowns and mimes are kinda creepty and could well be aliens, but that's another topic.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your hatred of homosexuals is apparently based on nothing better than reason than that you think Jesus hates gays, too, which makes it irrational.
You never answered my question; who is Jesus?
If I never had a religion of a faith, I would still think the unnatural and deviant act of homosexuality is wrong. What makes you think that would have been any different. I think the Muslims probably hate homosexuality way more than Christianity and Judaism.

Hence, I fail to see your weak point. Try again.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your hateful treatment of gays qualifies you as a homophobe. The word fits you like a glove.
What treatment? Him, you're welcome to the soup kitchen both gays and straights though I believe the stain of homosexuality is a perverted and wicked act. Has nothing to do with caring for prople. I would pull a KKK member out of a burning house and I would still fish the gay from the drink if he were drowning. You're trying to deflect and detour the point and change the argument from non-acceptance of homosexuality to hate for sinful people. You make it seem as if there's a different hell for the gay, the murderer and the rapist.

Your argument is falling apart.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
This is why your church needs to be opposed with vigor and passion.
What church is that? Identify please. Oppose all you want, what will that do? The people of the Most High Yahweh will not bend, bow or approve evil.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
People are disagreeing with you because you are wrong and they are abhorred by your bigotry. They resent your church for teaching people to think like you do. Me,too. I deeply resent your religion for creating bigots like you to spread its hatred by the millions.
As as a decent and moral unbeliever, I feel a strong moral obligation to resist your disgusting church - to see that institution weakened and silenced.
Rubbish. Look at two men swinging dingers for each other as disgusting. that's what's nasty. Something must be off in your brain to think that looks ok. You really must be a descendant of an ancient Roman.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
The plain fact is that the rest of us don't really care who you think that Jesus commands you to hate.
And I don't care about your weak pathetic excuse for an opinion. How about that? Happy now.

Love is not perverted, it is pure and righteous. If love is perverted, it is anything but Love. It can be lust, obsession or infatuation. Love is not destruction and confusion, and it doesn't stain the Law.
....Get that into your thick scull feller.

Andrew (CS).

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#480175 Jan 24, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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Topic of this thread??? Have you been discussing why Jesus should love you?
The title of this thread is not...What Does Andrew Want Gods/Jesus' Name To Be This Week.
"Some call Me Allah, Yahweh, Jehovah

I can start a beginnin', or endin', it's over
On Earth's first day alive there was darkness
Shape was worthless, I gave this small planet purpose

Breathed life into the surface
And created every beast in the sea
Feast eyes on the Son of God for thou souls to free
Since the Garden of Eden, I told men believe in
Thou Lord, and never worship falseships and act accord

But always, serpents slither across floors
Everything that is, always has been, always will be
A chill in your bones is how you feel me
At the end, when the moon turns blood and the sun blackens

Great men of the world running wonder what's happenin'

The sky'll part
And where I once said "Let there be light," I'll say "Let there be dark"

After the lamb's spoken, last seal's broken
Trumpets sound, last men on Earth found chokin'
For these events not to take place, you're hopin'
Balls of energy fly from my hands explodin'
Explain"

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“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#480176 Jan 24, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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So the Bible gives no reason, and you have none either.
So are you giving up eating shellfish? God said it was an abomination. And slavery is OK, right?
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There is a reason adultery is immoral. There is no reason homosexuality should be immoral.
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Don't assume so much. I never said pleasure was a gauge of what was moral, and you know absolutely nothing about my sex life or even my gender.
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Mark 16:16 contradicts that. So does John 3:18-36. And Romans 3:20-28.
The Bible just can't make up it's mind. And this is a pretty basic part of Christian ideology.
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Wow, really? That's pretty reprehensible.
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According to the Bible, you don't need a reason to sell your daughter into slavery. And IMHO there is no good reason for doing so. And I'm pretty horrified that you think doing so is OK.
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The Bible is immoral to condone slavery, and it gives no reason for condemning homosexuality, and like I said before, you don't have the slightest idea what my sex life is like, if I even have one.
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Doesn't it strike you that God's laws are inconsistent? Why did God give laws that it later had to completely change? And why Did God get rid of all those inconvenient dietary laws, but slavery was still perfectly OK?
this mostly you saying [there is no good reason...] nothing can be added to that except to say the bible gave good reason why homosexuality is immoral. surely I hold the bible in much much higher regard than I hold you. so safe to say you're out of arguments.

I no care what gender you're. if you is a woman is the same thing. homosexuality is not only for the male.

The bible is pretty clear. Just because you do not understand it what that have to do with Christianity?, that your issue.

I have no problem with the bible stance on slavery. You have a problem with it. so we at a standstill, no make any sense going any further. you say your piece I say mine and we keep it respectful.

Bible is not inconsistent at all. And as I say before Jesus fulfilled most of the dietary laws so that gentiles not have to abide by dietary laws and temple worship. The Jews do not have to abide by dietary laws and temple worship either. is only because they reject Jesus reason they still do it, but it not necessary.

So inconsistent and fulfilled mean two different things. most of the torah laws was for the jews. when Jesus died and rose, most of those laws became irrelevant. most, but not all. and you still clinging to this slavery argument, so let me say again, I no have any problem with slavery in the bible.

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