“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#478145 Jan 18, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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I'm sorry old friend. I won't allow you to drag me into your nothing conversation with your pointless rants while alking sideways through your endless revolving doors. You're not a skeptic. A skeptic is a doubter. yet you speak in absolute terms as if you know yet call yourself a skeptic. Whenever you're ready to teach and learn and not put conversations on spin cycle mode, then I'd love to engage in conversation with you. Otherwise, have a nice time trying to sucker someone else into your abysmal non-poetry....my friend.
:)
Andrew (CS).
What you mean is, you aren't willing to take an honest look at Christian ideology.

Credulity is not a virtue.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#478146 Jan 18, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Yes, there are errors in our present bible. Maybe too many to count in fact, especially in the Ketuviym or Wrintings (The NT). Only the Greek portions were found in tact and they were just translated copies of copies of other copies. Yes, there are other gods. A god is basically one of several beings worshipped but they usually either mimic the criteria of the person worshipping it or they are worshipped because of their desire. Like someone's private jet could be their god. There are other creatures mythical and otherwise that were set up and worshipped as gods. You also have idol worship, where the idol(s) represents a particular thing, cerature or being. Some people also worship certain animals, nature and even science*.
Why did you ask?
Andrew (CS).
There are Biblical errors because it was written by men. Had it been overseen by an omnipotent creator deity with an interest in human endeavors, and in fact an insistence that humans believe in it blindly, then that would unlikely be the case.

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#478147 Jan 18, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
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Since when is someone telling the truth about something running to someones aid Andy? Because that's all Drew did. He told the truth, he didn't run to anyone's aid.
Truth be told, you can't stand it that everyone in here isn't joining you in your obsession with shrink. You respond to every one of his post with your attempted back handed slap at Christianity by telling shrink he's a fine example of Christianity (even though he's said many times that he's not a Christian).
See what most of us that have had enough of shrinks antics do is simply ignore him. But not you. You obsess over him and then get mad when people don't join you in your obsession.
Give it up Andy. We've all been exposed to your tactics many times before and we're not fooled by them. You're like a broken record, or a terrible card player that's so easy to read.
Try a new game Andy. Because the one you're beating into the ground now isn't working.
Your welcome.
Is it any different than what when on for months in here about Just A Wet Sock? That went on for well over a year.

I agree however in people would be much better off to ignore it but we all know that ignoring doesn't work.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#478148 Jan 18, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If the Americans descended from the British, why are there still British? The answer is the same in both cases: a new niche opened up, and a group broke off to exploit it.

G_O_D wrote:
Excellent analogy. Thanks!
Counter_Strike wrote:
I think his analogy was anything but. I think it was lazy
Not merely poor, but lazy? More aspersions? Can you express dissent without a gratuitous ad hominem in it? Perhaps not.

Were you aware that they use analogies in IQ tests? Not everybody gets them.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#478149 Jan 18, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Genocide - "the deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation."
"Mass Killings And Cruelties Ordered, Committed, Approved By Jehovah" at http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/killer2.htm
[1] The entire population of the earth at the time of Noah, except for eight survivors.(Genesis 7:23)
[2] Everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah.(Genesis 19:24,25)
[3] 10,000 Perizzites and Canaanites.(Judges 1:4)
[4] All inhabitants of the land of Goshen "...(Joshua 11:1216)
[5] The inhabitants of Hormah, Gaza, Askelon, Ekron.(Judges 1:17-19)
[6] The people of Og. "So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land." (Numbers 21:33-35)
[7] The Ammonites.(Deuteronomy 2:19-21)
[8] The Horims.(Deuteronomy 2:22)
[9] The Amorites. "…utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones." (Deuteronomy 2:33-35)
[10] The Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites. "... thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them;" (Deuteronomy 7:15)
[11] Everyone in Jericho but one family.(Joshua 6:20-25)
[12] 12,000 people of Ai.(Joshua 8:19-29)
[13] All the people of Makkedah.(Joshua 10:28)
[14] All the people of Libnah.(Joshua 10:29,30)
[15] All the people of Gezer.(Joshua 10:33)
[16] All the people of Eglon.(Joshua 10:34,35)
[17] All the people of Hebron.(Joshua 10:36,37)
[18] All the Amalekites. "Slay both man and woman, infant and suckling…." (1 Samuel 15:37)
[19] Every man in Edom.(1 Kings 11:15)
As I say War.

As far as you little man made definition, rofl. God laugh at you writer.

God can't commit genocide, life belong to God. Is God give life in the first place. God can't murder what is His. No you I tell the same thing to few days back? Can I steal my own car? no that absurd, is my car.

God can't commit murder or genocide, only human being can commit genocide. If God kill you today is not murder, God simply take back the life he gave you in the first place. You on earth as a loan from God, you no own nothing. You not own you own life. So God can't commit murder or genocide writer,,,iyai!
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#478150 Jan 18, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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I'm not asking you to supply me with proof. I'm suggesting that if God were real then there is no reason it would need to rely on faith. What is the point of that? Can't God supposedly see into everyone's heart? It's entirely unnecessary. Until you consider who it is who is making claims about this undetectable God and it's attributes: the humans in the churches who purport to speak for it. They have a motive to peddle that story. And I believe many of them sincerely believe in much of it themselves. Religion can be a warm and fuzzy story to wrap yourself around. It gives you a community, tells you how to think, pretends to give answers to questions. But it's all bogus. You'd think a group of Scientologists or worshipers of Zeus were following a bogus religion, yet they have the same faith you do. Isn't that a red flag?
nobody need you as ally to supply any proff or be brother
filth of soul and body is abomination for God and His children

true believers doesn't discuse anything with immoral fallen crature rambling around past 5 years on this cyber space,and bambling bulshit

go away and take with you this red flag

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#478151 Jan 18, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
I'm sorry old friend. I won't allow you to drag me into your nothing conversation with your pointless rants while alking sideways through your endless revolving doors.
You won't be dragged into a conversation by somebody who is walking sideways through endless revolving doors? That's quite the tortured metaphor there, Shakespeare.
Serendipity

Pittsburgh, PA

#478152 Jan 18, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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There are Biblical errors because it was written by men. Had it been overseen by an omnipotent creator deity with an interest in human endeavors, and in fact an insistence that humans believe in it blindly, then that would unlikely be the case.
Absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!"

-- Carl Sagan, Astronomer

The quote can be found on page 213 of Carl Sagan’s,“The Demon-Haunted World—Science as a Candle in the Dark”

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#478153 Jan 18, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Soul, spirit, call it whatever you wish. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can't see wind, but it's very real. You can't see your thoughts, but they are real. When you sleep, you see, hear and feel things, even though your eyes are closed and none of that stuff is really happening.
You hear a song playing in your head, even though no radio is on.
If the body dies, what happens to all those thoughts, sights, sounds, etc. that you didn't use the body for during your sleep? Why is it not possible that "something" leaves your body at the time death and you (your soul or spirit) carries on without it?
Not in the terms which you describe it isn't. You describe this "soul" as though it is a perpetual entity. It is not.
Your entire spinal array is a conveyance system for signal. One of nearly instantaneous conductance of electrical signal through a superconductor plasma which is both atomic and subatomic. Those signals are evidenced by equipment we have and by natural means also. The "aura" which you can observe in an individual is the dispersal of that energy beyond it's "contained" path(s), and naturally moving toward lower resistance(entropy). That is the main supply system of energy(produced by the body itself) to enable body function and ensure that function(s) are maintained providing life signals even to the most minute structures and substructures of the biological system.
The system is genetically controlled by switches that eventually decay and malfunction, and as the organs begin to become "toxified" due to wear and environmental influences they are unable to conduct these signals to the needed levels of sustenance, at which point(s) the organs begin to fail, and the entire organism eventually succumbs. That is "death" as we know it.
The only energy left in the organism is the inert energy of chemical matter. The "superconductor" is shut down and all it's energy is absorbed and dispersed into the environment that remains. Eventually, all energy suffers total entropy, and the entire biological structure "disappears"-or IOW is consumed by the environment.
There is no "magic" soul involved---this is the actuality.
Any attempt to incorporate "fantasy" is just that-"fantasy".

The nearest instance to "soul" that could be incorporated(although illogical) is the finding that super conductance appears to make matter invisible at extremely high temps(& currents) because of the subatomic alignment of "certain" elements in this state. That bearing no relevance in this issue.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#478154 Jan 18, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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nobody need you as ally to supply any proff or be brother
filth of soul and body is abomination for God and His children
true believers doesn't discuse anything with immoral fallen crature rambling around past 5 years on this cyber space,and bambling bulshit
go away and take with you this red flag
I'm curious, what is your native language?

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#478155 Jan 18, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Just out of curiousity Catcher, is his bigotry any more abominable then yours?
I'm not a bigot.

And you mean "than," not "then."
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#478157 Jan 18, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Not merely poor, but lazy? More aspersions? Can you express dissent without a gratuitous ad hominem in it? Perhaps not.
Were you aware that they use analogies in IQ tests? Not everybody gets them.
I assume your IQ test is not so high

you are spiritualy not existing and doesn't understand simple SPIRITUAL CREATURE WHO IS FEEDED BY HEALTHY FOOD FROM GODS WORD,
DIAGEST THEM GOOD AND HAVE HEALTHY OR DEADLY FARTS AND URINES AFTER SPIRITUAL DIAGESTION,urine of spiritual body is deadly to your godless body

also for you spiritual fart is Savour to the death, for spiritual children spiritual farts is Sweet Savour to the eternal life

but spiritual urine of spiritual creation is sweet drink to the life
Also drink or smell ,which belongs to you
2Cor 2;16-13

13/FOR WE ARE NOT SO MANY(FEW REMANAT LEFT ON THIS EARTH) WHISCH CORRUPT THE WORD OF GOD

BUT OF SINCERELITY,BUT AS OF GOD(ALSO SPIRITUALY),
IN THE SIGHT OF GOD SPEAK WE IN CHRIST

deal with it
which fart and urine is suitable to you earthly lost atheistic animal?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#478156 Jan 18, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
"And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee." - Deuteronomy 20:13-14
Drew H wrote:
Funny, neither of the passages you cited have a direct command from God to make slaves out of other people. I do believe your inference is incorrect.
Read it again.

There is a command to take human beings into captivity against their wills as spoils, meaning to take and treat them as property like cattle.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#478158 Jan 18, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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No thanks for what? Did I offer you something? I said deletion, not punishment.
Yes, just like in the movies, the good guy wins and the bad guy eventually loses. It is no savagery that in the, Ha Satan the Adversary and the people who either join Him in his evil doings or those who turn their backs on the Most High will get the chance to be with him...for ever.
The reason you and the rest of the "other-kind" in here don't like this doctrine of destruction of sin is that you all know you're in the wrong, so you hate the truth and love a lie. Since you don't want to change, you decide to hate the doctrine of salvation and the destruction of sin. You don't want to part ways with evil thoughts and deeds, you very well have a choice to cling to them. At the end of the day, you can't say you weren't told.
Just saying my friend.
Andrew (CS).
Thanks for the warning...or threat.

BTW, you didn't just say "deletion." You described a horrific eternal existence in a boiling maelstrom. It would scare the wits out of an innocent six-year-old, or a godbot. I on the other hand find it humorous, as I also do your belief in "Ha Satan the Adversary."

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#478159 Jan 18, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery. How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment." (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing.
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property." (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
"The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)
Sorry, but slavery in the Bible is as bad as that. Read it yourself. Then tell me it is a valid moral guide. Wanna sell your daughter to me as a sex slave?
shrugs. again I can't sit here in arrogance and say 5000 to 2000yrs ago when there was almost no technology what that culture and ways of living was like. some people work for slave wages today. much people from where I talk about honduras and central america come to america and work for slave wages. you have people from bangladesh and india go to places like dubai and singnapore and work for slave wages. so slaves exist today. only instead of punish them with beatings, they get punish with threat of losing job and then can't feed family no have no where to live or worse get killed because they can't pay back the loan they take from people to go work in foreign land.

So instances where bible talk about slaves I no have no problem with that. I never live in that culture or time to give a credible response. But again if you think you more moral than bible God, then that you writer. I no think I more moral than bible God. I surrender to bible God, praise and worship Bible God because I know is the real God.

You tell Bible God to bug off, that you writer. stay on top of you moral highhorse then. You feel high and lofty to think you better and more moral than God, then good for you writer.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#478160 Jan 18, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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I'm curious, what is your native language?
your curiosity stick inside of your a... and blow on the moon?

this topic is about Jesus and His followers,

not about your nousy curiosity and my native language?

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#478161 Jan 18, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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And isn't it a beautiful, sunny, blue sky California day?
It should hit 80 here in the basin. Probably warmer in the IE.

We have heaven here. I'll leave the boiling maelstroms to Counter Strike and his crew.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#478162 Jan 18, 2013
Serendipity wrote:
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"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence!"
-- Carl Sagan, Astronomer
The quote can be found on page 213 of Carl Sagan’s,“The Demon-Haunted World—Science as a Candle in the Dark”
I don't know what context he said that in, but I don't agree with it. Of course absence of evidence is evidence of absence. It's not proof of absence, but it's certainly evidence.

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#478163 Jan 18, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I'm not a bigot.
And you mean "than," not "then."
Oh but you are..........

You've demonstrated it a number of times..........

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#478164 Jan 18, 2013
wilderide wrote:
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Expensive real estate, great museums, beautiful Victorian and modern architecture, decent mass transit, and a nexus of smart, creative people from all over the world. And very good coffee.
And the bay.

Don't forget the bay!

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