Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Huh

Bedford, TX

#477568 Jan 16, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey catcher :)
Some might, I know what you're saying but it's fun to practice a language you don't speak much, for me it is anyway.
<3
Engrish funny.
Huh

Bedford, TX

#477569 Jan 16, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Edit last post: "It WASN'T just the Jews..."
Bwahahaha.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477570 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
My god? I wonder who's that? In either case, this is why you're not a god.
Almost everybody I know would have made a better god than the one in the bible if we had his power and knowledge. You would have loved what I would have done with it. You, too. I'll bet that you would have made a great god, too. Would you have built hell?
Counter_Strike wrote:
Correction. Read carefully friend; I never said He always does good, I say He always does what's RIGHT. Big difference. Good and Right aren't necessarily one in the same. He is Righteous.
I read it carefully.

There was no indication there what you meant. You would need to explicitly define the two words in the sense that you meant them, and in a way that the distinction was clear. I'm pretty concrete with language. I don't know what you mean, or if I agree or disagree.
Counter_Strike wrote:
Yes, your standards along with everyone elses amounts to a very evil world plunged in the abysmal muck of chaos.
Do you have an argument to go with that, or just this bare claim?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477571 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
if He creates, he is very well allowed to destroy I would think. Makes sense no? Yes.
No.

I have a higher standard than that. Nobody is justified in destroying anything without regard to the consequences simply because they made it.

True, an omnipotent god couldn't be stopped. But that is not what you asked.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
He was incapable of producing a sinless man even after two tries. He is said to be incapable of being in the presence of sin.
Counter_Strike wrote:
You sound angry. why would you be angry and who are you angry at? Yourself?
I think contemptuous is the better word. I am contemptuous of your church, particularly of its effect in America.

I am contemptuous of its scapegoating atheists and gays, driving both into the closet and making their lives more difficult and more dangerous.

I am contemptuous of its reckless assault on science education and science, which has left the nation increasingly scientifically illiterate and decreasingly competitive on the world stage, as well as more vulnerable to manipulation by pseudoscientific propaganda.

I am contemptuous of the deep pessimism the church teaches about man and his world, scoffingly calling one "the world," and the other "the flesh." This church teaches that we are retched and horribly flawed and that matter itself - the substance of the universe - is base.

I am contemptuous of the psychological terrorism of frightening children with hell theology.

You get the idea.

BTW, don't you think it best if we didn't start second guessing one another's motivations? I won't if you won't. Let's stick to ideas.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477572 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
They being Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. Like little children they were asked "Thou Shalt Not!" They chose to listen to the Serpent and paid the price. It is simple. Your mom tells you not to climb the wall but you are innocent, you know no better. The child next door does it and tells you that you can do it too. You tell him that your mom said not to. He then tells you that your mom isn't around so she won't know. You decide in your limited wisdom that you're actually smarter than your mom so you climb the wall, fall off and break your arm. Then you blame the boy next door and your mom even for building the stupid wall. You blame everyone else except yourself. Tragic.
What does this have to do with anything?

Your bible story tells us about a god that failed at making sinless people just like he failed at making sinless angels. He also failed as a parent when he left his children unattended in the presence of the evil god he had fashioned, tossed out of heaven, and set loose on earth.

And then he punished everybody else but himself.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477573 Jan 16, 2013
Huh wrote:
That will never happen.
Hi, and welcome to the thread. Wilderide, too.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#477574 Jan 16, 2013
The Son of God Music Ministry
The True Grace of God

"...He became the source of eternal salvation for ALL WHO OBEY Him." Hebrew 5:9



TRUST AND OBEY

"When we walk with the Lord in the light of His Word, What a glory He sheds on our way!
While we do His good will, He abides with us still,
And with all who will trust and obey.

Trust and obey, for there’s no other way
To be happy in Jesus, but to trust and obey.

Not a shadow can rise, not a cloud in the skies,
But His smile quickly drives it away;
Not a doubt or a fear, not a sigh or a tear,
Can abide while we trust and obey.

Not a burden we bear, not a sorrow we share,
But our toil He doth richly repay;
Not a grief or a loss, not a frown or a cross,
But is blessed if we trust and obey.

But we never can prove the delights of His love
Until all on the altar we lay;
For the favor He shows, for the joy He bestows,
Are for them who will trust and obey.

Then in fellowship sweet we will sit at His feet.
Or we’ll walk by His side in the way.
What He says we will do, where He sends we will go;
Never fear, only trust and obey."

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

Like Ice On planet Mercury

#477575 Jan 17, 2013
Alright folks... have a good night's, I mean, morning's sleep!

:)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477576 Jan 17, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
Yes, we are aware of your mortal standards.
Here we go. You didn't last very long before diving into the gutter,did you? OK. As you wish.

"Permission to treat the witness as hostile, your honor."
Counter_Strike wrote:
Are you another one of those people who want to have bridge to nowhere conversations that sound like arguments?
No.
Counter_Strike wrote:
we have proven countless times that when we think for ourselves absent the creator we err, and we err with often very devastating consequences.
And here is that deep Christian misanthropy.

Why do you demean my species so regularly? It's my opinion that if there were a second verbal species on this planet, and it spoke so badly about humanity as people trained in your churches do, there'd be war.

I think for myself and am quite satisfied with the results.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477577 Jan 17, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
You find when one thinks to highly of their own intellects they end up losing much of their vision.
No, what I have found is the opposite. If you demean yourself and your neighbors long enough and often enough, you become incapacitated by defeat and despair, and settle for dependency. It's a very infantilizing perspective, which is of course the plan. You are to obey, which means breaking your will and diluting your sense of self-worth.
Counter_Strike wrote:
The very intelligent ones among us are the most difficult to reason with and are stubborn to a fault with taking correction or even admitting they were worong in any regard.
Spoken like a bona fide indoctrinee.

What correction and what error are you referring to?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477578 Jan 17, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
Nothing exists outside of the Creator.
Really? Are you a pantheist or panentheist?

How about sin? Or evil? Do they exist outside of your creator?
Counter_Strike wrote:
The theory of Evolution (which is just a theory)...
I would strongly advise you to drop that language when discussing science with anybody educated in it. You obviously don't know what a scientific theory is. http://www.notjustatheory.com/
Counter_Strike wrote:
The theory of Evolution (which is just a theory) is desperately flawed because to the millions of nerves in the eyes, one would wonder what got developed first,
Here's a nice summary of the evolution of the eye. The primitive retina came first.
Counter_Strike wrote:
and when you had two or four footed beasts, what diod they have first, eye to see, mouth to eat or ears to hear first?
Sorry, but you're just not ready for discussion at this level. Learn what a scientific theory is before you go condemning one.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477579 Jan 17, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
These questions are usually answered with long-winded intellection mumbo-jumbo that ultimately and eventually evades the question. Just words and intellectual notations that end up confusing the person asking the questions.
You're projecting.
Counter_Strike wrote:
I wonder where you get your creative mind from? Did that part of your creative mind and imagination evolve from something?
Yes. Every part of us evolved from something.
Counter_Strike wrote:
Typical. All you atheists sound the same. You are all members of a religion that worships or exalts self
Is that right? I would say that you are a member of a religion that demeans and disables the self. It works tirelessly to cripple the ego, denigrating the sense of self at every turn. Who do you think that serves?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477580 Jan 17, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
by believeing there is no Creator or Supreme Power, you unintentionally worship Samael anyway.
Who? Never heard of him before just now.

You have an odd concept of worship. Let me show you how bizarre that sounds: By believing there is a Creator or Supreme Power, you unintentionally worship Clyde Frog, Polly Prissy Pants, and Rumpertumskin
Counter_Strike wrote:
He laid down a plan of salvation for man helping us to understand that we cannot lean on our own mortal, finite selves for survival
More Christian misanthrope. You are the opposite of "I think I can! I think I can." You're all "Hell no you can't, you untalented, incompetent, egotistical, and rebellious human."
Counter_Strike wrote:
so whether we like it or love it, we need Him. Doing our own thing like stubborn, rebellious children leads us on a path of danger.
Sorry, friend, but this is infantile.
Counter_Strike wrote:
I shall not be calling you any name, at least I will try not to do so.
Sorry, Andrew, but that ship has sailed. You've already fired the first salvo. I don't really care what you think about my ego.

Do you want a do-over? Because I understand how easy it is to slip, and I know that I provoke you to anger merely by having and expressing these opinions. I'm sorry about that, but obviously, that can't be a factor. If you want to engage the ideological opposition, you need to learn how to engage us at the level of ideas rather than persons.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477581 Jan 17, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
Except I don't just believe, I know.
That's another line you might want to consider deleting from your repertoire when dealing with skeptics. That works great in protected environments like church, but not with unbelievers.

Why? Because I know that you do not and cannot know what you claim to know. What you are telling me is that you can't distinguish between a belief accepted on faith and knowledge based on evidence and reason. In so doing, you undermine your credibility.

The simple fact is that you have no special faculties or access to information not available to me and others. I know what is knowable to you, and what is not.
Counter_Strike wrote:
You fail to understand. Think about it again. You know the orange will fall from the tree, not just that, you somehow know when it will fall off the tree and where it will land and the consequences of the fall. Does it mean you caused the orange to fall? Does it mean because you had foreknowledge means you caused the future to unravel the way it did?
I already answered that for you. No, it does not. Omniscience is not omnipotence. It is possible to conceive of an omniscient but impotent being. That still doesn't change the fact that if the future can be known perfectly and with certainty, that none of the actors or objects has any choices.

Why do you keep asking? The point is irrelevant.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477582 Jan 17, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
If you never believed in the spirit then spiritual matters will either be overlooked or just escape you all together.
If you'd like to discuss spirituality, I'd be glad to do so. For starters, it has nothing to do with spirits or ghosts.

It is my opinion that spirituality eludes those of you with a hostility to science, "the world," and even your own flesh. Spirituality is about connectedness to your world. It is a psychological experience that combines a sense of mystery, awe and gratitude.

If you have those feelings, you have touched onto your spiritual faculty. But if you lack the sense of connection to your universe, your experience is inauthentic. You see yourself as an alien in this world, a ghost that belongs elsewhere. If your attention is diverted to nonexistent realms, and to the time after your demise, you are the opposite of spiritual.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477583 Jan 17, 2013
simplyput wrote:
It is better to get no information than to get the wrong information. Continue to do your OWN thinking.
Agree.
simplyput wrote:
Hope you have a great 2013.
Thank you. You as well.
Henry

Germany

#477584 Jan 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What does this have to do with anything?
Your bible story tells us about a god that failed at making sinless people just like he failed at making sinless angels. He also failed as a parent when he left his children unattended in the presence of the evil god he had fashioned, tossed out of heaven, and set loose on earth.
And then he punished everybody else but himself.
There is no such a thing like god and there was never!
Henry

Germany

#477585 Jan 17, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> You are lying on people again Gracie, which is something that you are in habit of doing against those who do not see eye to eye with your gospel of V and F, God's love speak tor itself but the stern warnings of disobedience is also to be given and preached as well , Jesus spoke it as well as his Apostles and Prophets before them.
Your friend has just demeaned the God of our salvation and you have just agreed with her, you are disgusting and you make me sick.
What a funny idea about any god at all! There was never such a thing and there will never be!
Henry

Germany

#477586 Jan 17, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> You are lying on people again Gracie, which is something that you are in habit of doing against those who do not see eye to eye with your gospel of V and F, God's love speak tor itself but the stern warnings of disobedience is also to be given and preached as well , Jesus spoke it as well as his Apostles and Prophets before them.
Your friend has just demeaned the God of our salvation and you have just agreed with her, you are disgusting and you make me sick.
People which bring god in the play of men are sick. There is not the slightest faint of such a thing like god. Forget all the religions, they are just myths or crimes!
Henry

Germany

#477587 Jan 17, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
The earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof;the world and they that dwell therein.
Psalms 24:1
The silver is Mine and the gold is Mine saith the Lord of host.
Haggai 2:8
For every beast of the forest is Mine,and the cattle upon thousands of hills.I know all the fowls of the mountains and the wild beast of the field are Mine.
Psalms 50:10&11
But thou shalt remember the Lord thy God for it is He that gieveth thee power to get wealth.
Deuteronomy 8:18
For the kingdom of heaven is as a man traveling into a far country who called his own servants and delivered unto them his goods.
Matthew 25:14
Forget that bible with all its fakes, lies and errors. Come to science, life is short!

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