Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#477338 Jan 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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What offended me was your unabashed atheophobia.
What do you know about spirituality? Please tell me. For starters, what is it in your own words?
It's my position that living with the belief that you are being monitored and judged 24/7 by a god that is willing to torture you for eternity is infantilizing and precludes authentic spirituality. Can you rebut that?
I guess this means that no apology, remorse, empathy, or other sign of peace or understanding will be forthcoming from you. I accept your decision because I must.
But I don't intend to roll over for it. I hope to offer an alternative strategy for other skeptics reading these words.
Are you sure that you don't want to ask for forgiveness for your transgressions against skeptics? I am a forgiving guy.
"you are a forgiving guy" eh?.........and obviously one who places yourself on the same level of our exalted saviour with your casual dismissual of him, typical atheism/agnostic behavior, seen it all before my embittered friend, like I said before that we will pray for you but as you are not interested in spiritual knowledge for edifying purposes..........I have no interest in defining anything for you in either MY words or in any other manner.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#477339 Jan 16, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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Okay, thanks for the clarification.
And all I remember is that whenever she and I have had conversations, they have been quite cordial and in good spirit, even when we didn't agree.
That's good, nothing is wrong with that but she doesn't convey that same cordialness to myself and others, so she generally reaps wh at she sows.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#477340 Jan 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If I could magically make another person love me that I wanted to be loved by, it would be as good for me as if they had done so naturally. I did try to make my wife love me when we were dating, and I realized that I loved her.
Yes you would, but that would be cheating and considered abuse of power by many. We would as human beings would like to fix things the way we like it if we were All Powerful, I mean, I would try to make my life perfect (for me), but we would long cease to exist if we had that kind of power.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Disagree.
Your god should have just made them the way he wanted them instead of killing them. You seem to judge whatever your god does as good because he did it. That's not a moral code at all.
My god? I wonder who's that? In either case, this is why you're not a god.

Correction. Read carefully friend; I never said He always does good, I say He always does what's RIGHT. Big difference. Good and Right aren't necessarily one in the same. He is Righteous.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Your god does evil things by my standards.
Yes, your standards along with everyone elses amounts to a very evil world plunged in the abysmal muck of chaos. Regardless of what you thing He does or doesn't do, He is still allowed to do it. He doesn't run a democracy. He is not governed by the Law we're under because He's perfect. Also, if He creates, he is very well allowed to destroy I would think. Makes sense no? Yes.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
He was incapable of producing a sinless man even after two tries. He is said to be incapable of being in the presence of sin.
You sound angry. Either that or if I didn't know better I would think you're trying to get under my skin. Not a great idea. Since I've been back, no one here has quite succeeded in doing so. Then again, why would you be angry and who are you angry at? Yourself? They being Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. Like little children they were asked "Thou Shalt Not!" They chose to listen to the Serpent and paid the price. It is simple. Your mom tells you not to climb the wall but you are innocent, you know no better. The child next door does it and tells you that you can do it too. You tell him that your mom said not to. He then tells you that your mom isn't around so she won't know. You decide in your limited wisdom that you're actually smarter than your mom so you climb the wall, fall off and break your arm. Then you blame the boy next door and your mom even for building the stupid wall. You blame everyone else except yourself. Tragic.

Lesson learned teh hard way. We all still feel the effects of the broken arm after all this time.

CS.
Huh

Garland, TX

#477341 Jan 16, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text> In this, a person could be referring to any of the innumerable gods that man has invented for himself.
Did you really just write this without the slightest dose of irony? Bwahahahahahahahahaha.
Huh

Garland, TX

#477342 Jan 16, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Good afternoon Drew, yes we are suppose to exalt and encourage one another when we see spiritual IN CHRIST..........but hanging on to witchcraft and believing opposite the Word ( like believing everyone is going to be saved ) is not spiritual growth IN God.
As for the tellingvthe whole story between you b and le le..........I only remember reading that excerpt between you two because she was attacking me even then and I saw my name mentioned, otherwise I seldom monitor the conversation between you two.
Peace.
Witchcraft? Psssst, it's 2013. You do know that the term for witches was mistranslated in your Bible, right? You do know how and why that was done, right? If not, everything you believe is based on a lie. Ah, but what else is new?
Huh

Garland, TX

#477343 Jan 16, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> >>>>> sigh <<<<<
You mister/madam are very much off the chain, ghost and spirits may be your bag ( as they said in the 60's ) but Ss I of course was referring to the things of God almighty, but you have already showm me that that you have an obvious aversion to the truth and God's Word and I see that very much offends you.
Not a holey ghost? Bwahahahahaha. You're a funny one. Are you touring comedy clubs in the Spring?

Since: Oct 12

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#477344 Jan 16, 2013
Awee the Human usurpers.

What do those do therefore who make men accountable to them in religious affairs.

They put themselves in place of God.
(See 2 Thessalonians 2:3&4)

Why in religious matters did Christ say men should not be call masters.

Neither be ye called maters;for one is your master even Christ.Matthew 23:10

Note;Every one therefore who acts as master in Christ church or lords it over God's heritage.
(1 Peter 5:3) puts himself in the place of Christ.

To whom then as servants are we responsible in matters of faith and worship.

Who art thou that judgest another man's servant to his own master he standeth or falleth.
Romans 14:4

Whose servants are we not to be.

Ye were bought with a price;be not ye the servants of men. 1 Corinthians 7:23

Due as you please but just remember this.

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ that everyone may receive the things done in his body according to that he hath done whether it be good or bad. 2 Corinthians 5:10
Huh

Garland, TX

#477345 Jan 16, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
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You know the most ironic thing of all is they keep saying that those of us that know that we are saved
Hmmm, saved from the same being you claim is saving you. Interesting. La Casa Nostra theology. I'm making youse an offer you can't refuse. Believe or burn. Now, where is my protection money.

It's 2013 and you clowns still believe this Midievel crap. Weird.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#477346 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
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Apparently it would seem that you don't know that this world was intelligently Created.
You don't know that either, you just choose to believe it was. Big, big difference.

“Credulity is not a virtue”

Since: Apr 09

San Francisco

#477347 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said He always does good, I say He always does what's RIGHT. Big difference. Good and Right aren't necessarily one in the same. He is Righteous.
Even that is not defensible. The flood would never have been necessary had God created the world correctly in the first place. Furthermore, according to Christian ideology, the world is still flawed, so even that ham-handed reboot didn't work. Talk about bumbling. Not to mention that this makes the possibility of an omniscient deity impossible. Which would take away omnipotence too.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#477348 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
Apparently it would seem that you don't know that this world was intelligently Created.
Neither do you.
Counter_Strike wrote:
Is it that you didn't see what I was saying or that you won't see what I was saying?
There is nothing that I won't see if presented plainly and reasonably.
Counter_Strike wrote:
It makes it a lot easier for someone to understand what is written when they don't prejudge what they believe they are reading.
I would agree. Why tell me?

Please try to be explicit and say what it is that you think in simple declarative sentences rather than expecting me to deduce it.
Huh

Garland, TX

#477349 Jan 16, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
America was 'founded' by use of the firearm.
Eidmyou know Catholics were forbidden from owning firearms in Colonial days?

Did you know Christians escaped persecution in Europe, from other Christians, only to continue to persecute and murder each other here?

Did you know the NRA has supported various gun control measures throughout their history?

Did you know that the NRA was committed to gun-control laws for most of the 20th century—helping to write most of the federal laws restricting gun use until the 1980s?

Did you know that before the 1970s that the NRA was not interested in The Second Amendment?

Did you know that it was the Black Panther Party that was the first to push for the individual right to bear arms in this country, in 1967, and could be considered the fathers of the right to individual gun ownership in this country?

Did you know that no one advocated for arming young, black men when Treyvon Martin was murdered?

Did you know that the Second Amendment was not composed to protect the citizens from the government but the government from the citizens?

Did you know all the above is true and easily verifiable by you with a simple Google search but you won't be bothered to have your violent views and revisionist history challenged?

Did you know that this quote by Washingtom is bogus?

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

Did you know this is the real quote and speaks to a well-regulated militia, not individual gun rights?

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a Uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent others, for essential, particularly for military supplies."
Huh

Garland, TX

#477350 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>

I never said He always does good, I say He always does what's RIGHT. Big difference. Good and Right aren't necessarily one in the same. He is Righteous.
If it is impossible to judge your god as a human, how can you then make this declarative statement?
Huh

Garland, TX

#477351 Jan 16, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Please try to be explicit and say what it is that you think in simple declarative sentences rather than expecting me to deduce it.
That will never happen.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#477352 Jan 16, 2013
Huh wrote:
<quoted text>Not a holey ghost? Bwahahahahaha. You're a funny one. Are you touring comedy clubs in the Spring?
No more so than you're sneaking into your psycologist office hi-jacking his computer right now from your nursing home residence.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#477353 Jan 16, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
Not accordoing to the Bible. In fact it states that God created evil:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7
Just because we would like to believe God is "sinless" (or anything else) doesn't make it so.
God, in humman terms, is a nasty, egotistical tyrant who cares nothing for his alleged creation exept that, according to the Bible, it be obeyed and idolized.
Incorrect, G_O_D.

This verse mentions opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light, and evil is the opposite of peace. This "evil" is not the opposite of righteousness, or obedience. The most accurate translation of the Hebrew term used for "evil," which is "ra'," is "calamity and/or "disaster." And these are verdicts based on righteous judgments.

Until next time, my friend...

Shalowm.

P.S. I have a feeling you knew that already.
Huh

Garland, TX

#477354 Jan 16, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes you would, but that would be cheating and considered abuse of power by many. We would as human beings would like to fix things the way we like it if we were All Powerful, I mean, I would try to make my life perfect (for me), but we would long cease to exist if we had that kind of power.
<quoted text>
My god? I wonder who's that? In either case, this is why you're not a god.
Correction. Read carefully friend; I never said He always does good, I say He always does what's RIGHT. Big difference. Good and Right aren't necessarily one in the same. He is Righteous.
<quoted text>
Yes, your standards along with everyone elses amounts to a very evil world plunged in the abysmal muck of chaos. Regardless of what you thing He does or doesn't do, He is still allowed to do it. He doesn't run a democracy. He is not governed by the Law we're under because He's perfect. Also, if He creates, he is very well allowed to destroy I would think. Makes sense no? Yes.
<quoted text>
You sound angry. Either that or if I didn't know better I would think you're trying to get under my skin. Not a great idea. Since I've been back, no one here has quite succeeded in doing so. Then again, why would you be angry and who are you angry at? Yourself? They being Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. Like little children they were asked "Thou Shalt Not!" They chose to listen to the Serpent and paid the price. It is simple. Your mom tells you not to climb the wall but you are innocent, you know no better. The child next door does it and tells you that you can do it too. You tell him that your mom said not to. He then tells you that your mom isn't around so she won't know. You decide in your limited wisdom that you're actually smarter than your mom so you climb the wall, fall off and break your arm. Then you blame the boy next door and your mom even for building the stupid wall. You blame everyone else except yourself. Tragic.
Lesson learned teh hard way. We all still feel the effects of the broken arm after all this time.
CS.
IANS never sounds angry. Why would you deflect like that?

On one hand, you claim our minds are incapable of comprehending your god and then on the other you call it righteous. That is a dichotomy that won't hunt. If you can't judge it, you can't call it righteous. There is no way around that. In the infamous words of Rosa Parks impersonator Ted Nugent, "Case closed!"
Huh

Garland, TX

#477355 Jan 16, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> No more so than you're sneaking into your psycologist office hi-jacking his computer right now from your nursing home residence.
That's the best you can do? You claim not to concern yourself with ghosts yet your god is a Holy Ghost. Weird.
Huh

Garland, TX

#477356 Jan 16, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> No more so than you're sneaking into your psycologist office hi-jacking his computer right now from your nursing home residence.
Jesus is coming soon? Hmmm, where have I heard that before?

You do realize your dispensationalist is a modern invention in Christianity, right, and would have been considered heretical blasphemy before the 19th Century? You do know this, right? If not, ecerything you believe is based on a lie. But, what else is new?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#477357 Jan 16, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Forgive me for my intrusion, but I saw your post and felt compelled to answer. Again, I hope you can forgive me.
First, the capitalization and such of the letter "G/g" in the bible is strictly based on the beliefs of the translators. In Hebrew and Greek, there were no upper or lower case letters. Therefore, each and every time the term was used in scripture, the term was identical each and every time. To give you an illustration, I'll quote a few verses while providing the exact reference number that directs us to the Hebrew rendering of the English term.
Deuteronomy 10:17
For the LORD your God [H430] is God [H430] of gods [H430], and Lord of lords, a great God [H430], a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward.
Exodus 20:1-3
And God [H430] spake all these words, saying,
I am the LORD thy God [H430], which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt have no other gods [H430] before me.
Psalm 96:5
For all the gods [H430] of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.
Then, as men, but still called "gods" and with a lowercase "g".
Exodus 22:28
Thou shalt not revile the gods [H430], nor curse the ruler of thy people.
And to add an interesting development...
Psalm 8:5
For you have made him a little lower than the angels [H430], and have crowned him with glory and honor.
And now, the English translation with the reference number to the Greek rendering...
1Corinthians 8:5-6
For though there be that are called gods [G2316], whether in heaven or in earth,(as there be gods [G2316] many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God [G2316], the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
John 10:35
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods [G2316]? If he called them gods [G2316], unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken...
As you can see, in each and every case, the same exact term is used, whether it be used to identify Father, men, or even angels. And what we must take into consideration is that, if the term used is identical, then so must be the definition. The difference, then, would have to be in the context of the surrounding content.
Again, I apologize for my intrusion. I hope I've helped, though.
Until next time, my friend...
Shalowm.
No need for apology BLL.
I have always thought this as well and I appreciate your help. Thanks and you didnt intrude. Have a great day BLL.

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