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#476686 Jan 14, 2013
Good Morning Everybody... I hope you have a blessed day. I haven't looked through the posts yet, not sure I want to lol. Smile.

Have a good day folks.

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#476689 Jan 14, 2013
The True Grace of God
Prequel
Part 15

Grace and Freewill (Giving With A Willing Heart)

1. "Tell the Israelites to bring Me an offering. You are to receive the offering for me from each man WHOSE HEART PROMPTS HIM to give." Ex. 25:2

2. "Each man should give what HE HAS DECIDED IN HIS HEART to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." 2 Corinthians 9:7

A. The first verse above is an example of Grace under the Law... the 2nd verse above is an example of grace after the Law. Now, with that said...there are all kinds of trickeries and guilt tactics that "people" and some preachers use in order to raise funds or bilk you out of your money, time or other material substance. Not all preachers are knowingly doing this... some use certain tactics "to get" the people to give out of denominational traditions... like having people stand in a money line at the altar, so-to-speak. The above verse are speaking on offerings but I have to say, that many Believers don't believe we are under the law and I agree, they "strongly" believe we are under Grace for Salvation only...(okay, understood and I agree with that also) but yet, they'll quote over and over and over again the famous Malachi verse (which is under the Law) that says, and I'm paraphrasing, that you are cursed with a curse if you don't tithe (that is giving 10% of your gross to the church)... yet the tithe was agrarian in that Malachi situation and there were three types of tithes. Now, I understand that today when a person tithes it is non-agrarian but what bothers me most about that is some of these preachers went to seminary to learn about the bible, how to study it and such... yet some don't make mention of this and what is truly in the bible. Now, the tithe that was given before the Law was under Grace... Abraham tithed without threat, trickery, guilt or compulsion.... He obviously gave freely out of a willing heart.... not only that.. he gave the other 90% of the booty (the stuff he got out of the little war he had) back to the losers.

B. We should give out of the kindness of our hearts and not under trickeries. Not all churches and televangelists (as they are called) use compelling tactics for people to give... some just simply ask in order to keep the ministry going as they ought to. Now it's not only churches or televangelists, but there are all kinds of scams out there that may seem godly in appearance. Did you ever give to someone out of a willing heart and they got mad because you didn't give enough!? <<<sigh>>> Well, God is not like that. Jesus didn't even get mad at the young rich ruler (who had great riches) when he walked away. The scriptures says, Jesus loved him and Jesus didn't chase him or use any trickery. He wasn't after his money... In that situation which pertained to that ruler, Jesus was after a willing heart that would follow Him.

C. Whatever the case may be... God does want us to give but He wants us to give "freely", "wisely" and "without compulsion"... He is not after our money He is after our hearts. But it just so happens that we put our loyalties more towards our monies. Still yet, He is looking for our willingness and what we have decided in our own hearts to give.

3. Exodus 35:20-21 and verse Ex. 35:29 also.(freewill offering)

Continued... >>

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#476691 Jan 14, 2013
"I am further convinced that part and parcel of the Davidic lineage idea was that one was part of a dynasty, made up of brothers and sons. And this is what we find in the Jesus movement as James, the brother of Jesus, becomes his successor, and Simon, another brother (some say cousin but of the same royal lineage), takes on the leadership following the death of James. Yose, Jesus’ second brother after James, had apparently died by the time of the death of James in 62 CE or he would have likely been next in line. All of this evidence fits “hand-in-glove” with what we find in the “Jesus family tomb” at Talpiot."

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/peop...

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#476693 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>haha.... I'm starting to get homesick for snow, and have never 'met' it before!! I want to hear it sqeek :)
You never seen snow?Take a box of corn starch and queez it once or twice that give you the sound of snow under feet.Best I can do without the real thing around.

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#476694 Jan 14, 2013
".... a more explicit indication that some early Christian communities believed that Jesus was married, and moreover, that Mary Magdalene was his wife."

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/news...

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#476697 Jan 14, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>God made mankind PERFECT.SIN is what caused man to become 'defective'. That's why the 'salvage operation' called 'Calvary' became REALITY,Pat.
Why did God create sin and a creature that could commit sin ?

God by your definition is evil. It stacked the deck and then accused innocent players of cheating.

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There

#476698 Jan 14, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You can explain your theory to the Lord Jesus Christ when you meet Him on Judgement Day. Oh,and don't forget to ask Him to show you the Nailprints in His hands and His feet. Just keeping it REAL.
And you can explain why you threatened to rape and murder Annie.

What ever your "god" is, it is less than dung.

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#476699 Jan 14, 2013
The True Grace of God
Prequel
Part 16

Grace and Freewill (Giving With A Willing Heart)

1. "They received from Moses all the offerings the Israelites had brought to carry out the work of constructing the sanctuary. And the people continued to bring FREEWILL offerings morning after morning.

...So all the skilled craftsmen who were doing all the work on the sanctuary left their work and said to Moses,“The people are bringing MORE THAN ENOUGH for doing the work the Lord commanded to be done.”

Then Moses gave an order and they sent this word throughout the camp:“No man or woman is to make anything else as an offering for the sanctuary.” And so the people were RESTRAINED FROM BRINGING MORE, because what they already had was more than enough to do all the work." Exodus 36:3-7

A. For the above verses, things that make you go hmmmmmm. When was the last time you heard a church restrain people from giving because they had more than enough to do the work? And "you ain't gonna" hear it. So what were the Israelites doing? They were doing a "first works"... they were loving God with all of their "heart"... they were doing the Will of God by giving willingly. In the above situation, they gave from their hearts WILLINGLY and not under a gloomy forcast of threat and compulsion.

B. Now I know that some people say with a smiley face, "No Quin, I want to give my tithe is out of joy and love." That's good... but what if you missed a week or two? What if your brother, mother or father needs financial help which would eat into your tithe? What type of feelings will you have? Will you go ahead and feel like you are cursed if you didn't "pay your tithe"?

**** Jesus: "For Moses said,‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and,‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother:‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’(that is, a gift devoted to God), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” Mark 7:10-13

God would rather that you help your mother and father who definitely may need it than give to Him. It is the "moral" thing to do and God is well-pleased in that. One ought to give to God "what they decided in their heart" to give. God is well-pleased with that also. What would some churches say to to do? It's out of the tradition of men if it is otherwise.

2. It is one thing to work for someone you don't personally know. It is another thing to work for someone you know personally and are friends with. God wants us not just to work for Him in the impersonal sense but in a loving, personal sense. The church of Ephesus had left the personal equation out and got into works. So how do you get to know someone personally? Communication, fellowship, identification, etc....

Continued... >>>

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Fennario

#476701 Jan 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
Would it be more justified to make them robots and then cast them into hell?
Of course not.

Why do you think that giving man free choice was loving, given what you believe about heaven and hell? That's not a gift. That’s a death sentence for billions. According to your theology, free will result in all unsaved souls - over 90% of all souls ever created - making the wrong decision, and suffering gratuitous agony for eternity, including me, and maybe you, too, if you slip up right before the end, or screw up in heaven and get tossed out like the rebellious angels (see below).

Of course, I don't believe that your god exists. In fact, I know it doesn't. It cannot. But if it did, I'd much, much rather have been created with your god's will in my head, not a free will. It would feel exactly the same - I'd have a thought or a desire, and then act on it, just like I do now, except that I would always want the thing that was best for me. That would be a gift, not free will and hell. Where's the loss to me to want what I should want? None. Yet the gain would be infinite.

Why would a loving god give his children free will, knowing that it will cost most of them so much? The usual answer is, "Would you rather be a robot?" which appears to be your answer as well. If so, I'd rebut that the existence that I've just described would feel no more robotic than this one, and would guarantee my salvation.

These are the kinds of errors in your theology that betray its human origin. A good god would do just as I suggested.

So what happens in heaven? Do you expect to still have free will there like the angels that rebelled? If so, what makes you think that you can stay there? It's inevitable that you will eventually rebel get cast into hell. A third of the angels failed that test already even after meeting the god and experiencing life in heaven. Given infinite time, so will you.

Every soul admitted into heaven with free will will eventually rebel and be cast out. How long do you think you can hold out? A billion years? A billion billion years? How about that a billion times over? Who can last that long? Maybe one person. Could he do it twice? Ten times? A billion times?

As Woody Allen noted, "Eternity is really long, especially near the end." Eventually, one day, everybody weakens. So, if I'm wrong and your god actually exists, I'll see you in hell.

Or maybe you think that once you get to heaven, you will lose your free will in heaven. Will you be a robot then? That makes zero sense. Why would your god got to such great lengths to get people who will worship him of their own free will, and then remove that from them.

This theology flunks the stink test twice.

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#476702 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Awww ~ I am definitely home sick for snow :) and I love your new Avatar pic!!
I get the impression you never experienced snow.The avatars are a reflection of me in some measurable way.It snowed here again in the early morning hours.My furry family was asleep and honey was asleep so at one am I slipped on my coat and boots and went for a walk in the snow cold and crunches.lol I left the footprints of the day along the way knowing no one would care soon would disappear under more snow.Tis quite as a church house mouse but even the mouse was tucked away in deep sleep of such a wonderland.
The air sharp and clean brushes the face with a kiss and the cold gives the hugs.God is smiling at his foolish lil one for playin in the snow.Just sharing some thoughts with you Serah is all.God bless.
Pat

Granby, CT

#476703 Jan 14, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You can explain your theory to the Lord Jesus Christ when you meet Him on Judgement Day. Oh,and don't forget to ask Him to show you the Nailprints in His hands and His feet. Just keeping it REAL.
You can not meet, see, hear, or do anything after you are dead but rot. Your senses non longer work. Get a grip you foolish dishonest fear monger.
Pat

Granby, CT

#476704 Jan 14, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>God made mankind PERFECT.SIN is what caused man to become 'defective'. That's why the 'salvage operation' called 'Calvary' became REALITY,Pat.
You dope. Sin is simply the behavior of man, IMPERFECT MAN. Your creator god is the root of all sin.

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#476706 Jan 14, 2013
Pat wrote:
<quoted text>
You dope. Sin is simply the behavior of man, IMPERFECT MAN. Your creator god is the root of all sin.
The Bible agrees with you:

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." Isaiah 45:7

Funny how so many people who claim the Bible to be "The Word of God" contradict what "God" clearly says.

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Fennario

#476707 Jan 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
the bible says that the just shall live by FAITH and not by " logic and reason"
Your bible is wrong.

You cannot have justice without reason. And nothing stops you from having faith in something unjust. Faith is not a virtue. It's an abdication of your duty to be fair reasonable. If you support Christian theology, you support a monstrous ethic and an absurd metaphysics.

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#476708 Jan 14, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
those of us who truly believe knows that the odds are VERY MUCH stacked in our favor so long as we continue to press forward in Christ.
That is incorrect.

[1] It's rather easy to demonstrate that if the universe has a creator god or gods, it's not Jehovah-Jesus. In the book reputed to be his autobiography, which is filled with self-contradictions, failed prophecies, unfulfilled promises, and errors of scientific and historical fact, he calls himself perfect. The book itself is self-refuting.

But let's stipulate to your god's existence anyway. You still won't get eternity in heaven,and I've given you two reasons already:

[2] I showed you at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... that your god's promises are unreliable.

[3] And I showed you at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... why you could not survive an infinity heaven with free will. You will eventually rebel with that free will. That's the bitch about eternity: whatever is possible must happen.

[4] Keep in mind that just looking at a woman with lust is fornicating, or if either of you is married, adultery. Your god said in Revelation 21:8 that liars will be "consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur" with the adulterers, atheists, murderers, and whoremongers.

You may well be judged an unforgiven sinner based on your life - something you forgot to repent -and be cast into the fire with the others. Or maybe the nurse doing your final CPR had huge breasts, and in your weakened state, your last thoughts were impure.

Are you assuming forgiveness for that? Don't. You could be sent to hell just for that. It's arrogant and presumptuous.

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#476709 Jan 14, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Nice to 'meet' you Lucy ~ it is always good to put a face to the people we know :)
Hey Serah :D how's it going?
<3

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#476710 Jan 14, 2013
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I do. But in relation to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, do you believe it was written before or after?
Good Morning Drew, that's good news to hear. It was written late 1st century, early 2nd century according to historical accounts... which would put it after 70AD.

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#476711 Jan 14, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away."
Maybe you should read the Bible someday.
<<<chuckles>> >

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#476712 Jan 14, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Drew
I always read your posts and links as I find them interesting. Not looking for a drawn out debate but if you are willing I would be curious as to how you feel about the following:
Matthew 28
18Then Jesus came to them and said,“All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them ina the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Since this took place after the Sacrifice and was the instructions given for when going out and baptizing all nations which obviously includes Gentiles, why in your opinion would they be instructed to make sure they teach that people must obey all Jesus has commanded of them?
Again, not looking to fight or even debate, just curious as to how you see it
(T) Peace
The passage from Matthew that you quoted is from the NIV. Personally, I don't use the NIV. I start with the KJV, and also use the NKJV and ESV. And so the KJV says:

Matthew 28:18-20, "18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

This is what instructed the disciples to do after His resurrection but before His ascension. So we should remember that this is prior to Jesus' return to Heaven. And, we should also recall that the disciples were expecting Jesus to set up His earthly kingdom in the immediate future, not in the distant future. So the Gospel they were preaching was the kingdom gospel, not the gospel Paul would preach because that was still a mystery. We can't assume or presume the ascension and the disciples surely were unaware of what was to come.

And I don't see in that scripture where Jesus said they were to teach that people must obey all Jesus has commanded of them. Didn't His disciples walk with Him for over three years on this earth and receive His teachings? But did they obey all the things Jesus taught them? I mean, Jesus rebuked them on several occasions which indicates they weren't doing as He instructed them to. Does God require obedience or desire obedience? I do believe that the Bible teaches the latter. And this obedience is not burdensome. It is out of our love for Him in that He loved us first, so I find it natural to be obedient because of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Now that doesn't mean that I am obedient all the time, are you? And in this age, we have Jesus as our advocate before the Father and the Holy Spirit as our guide.

Paul stated that he died daily and so should we, meaning we should crucify the desires of the flesh and walk by the Spirit. We should obey not only the big things but be obedient in every aspect of our lives down to the tiniest issue, like when we are misunderstood, we shouldn't respond with insults of our own, obey when the path laid before us seems unreasonable or uncomfortable, demonstrating faith rather than fear of the unknown, etc.

So I don't believe Jesus ever taught that everything He taught must be obeyed, but He did give us a perfect example to emulate, plus He gave us a Helper in the Holy Spirit which, for me, makes it a whole lot easier to obey and brings joy when I do.

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#476713 Jan 14, 2013
The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority.He opened his mouth to blaspheme God and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven.And he was given authority over every tribe,people and nation.All the inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast All whoses names have NOT been written in the book of life belongs to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.

Woe Woe O great city
O Babylon city of power
In one hours your doom has come.

Woe Woe O great city
dressed in fine linen,purple and scarlet
and glittering with gold precious stone and pearls
In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin.

By your magic spell all the nations were led astray In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints and of all who have been killed on earth

The light of the lamp will never shine in you again.

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