Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#476595 Jan 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>matthew 7:7
"Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
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maybe you can't find evidence, because you not looking for evidence. God say seek and you shall find. God not going to seek you like God need you. God not need you, you need God.
Before Christianity I admire buddhism. So I can understand your skepticism. but is not until I come to the conclusion that the atheism in buddhism not make any sense that I go search more indepth about this Jesus. And Jesus is God.
John1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2He was in the beginning with God.3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
make a genuine search for God, and you will find God.
No way for me.

Totally no way.

Meaning no personal disrespect, I find the whole concept of religion, any religion, to be silly.

Gods, witches, astrology, hexes, black cats, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, psychics, to me they are all magical stories for the appropriate age group and demographic.

I'd rather search for knowledge and wisdom. Without superstition.

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#476596 Jan 13, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
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make a genuine search for God, and you will find God.
Key word being sincere

IMO many skeptics or atheist have never tried this. They are waiting for proof to knock on their door. But doesn't any skeptic worth his salt at least test the situation? So why would one not earnestly seek out God before concluding there is none? IMHO there would be a lot mess atheists if they sincerely sought out God with an open mind and an open heart instead of going into the exercise, which few even do, with the feeling that it is stupid and have pretty much already closed their mind to it. If someone said they sincerely tried to find God and prayed to Him that they may know Him and still didn't believe it would be different. But from my conversations with people anyway, very few if any have done this as they can't get past their initial unbelief to sincerely seek.

“Become Love!”

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#476597 Jan 13, 2013
To all "once saved, always saved" believers...

I work with a fellow that claims he's Christian and does, with his wife and children, attend "church," I think, twice a week. He thinks it's hilarious to tell the women we work with that he'd love to get to know them. Then, he elbows me and whispers, "...in the biblical way!" Then, he laughs.

1) Do you think such jesting is appropriate for a believer?

2) Do you think such jesting is overlooked by "God?"

After 16 years of learning and, to the best of my abilities, serving "God," I decided to denounce my faith. For 3 years, I did drugs, drank excessively, and committed fornication, or at least tried to, with just about every female I encountered. Every other word I spoke is too shameful to even repeat here. The infamous "C" word was among my favorites. I gathered quite the collection of pornography, some even where I was the star. I sold drugs. And as owner of my own, legitimate company, I offered free merchandise in exchange for sexual "favors" to any female that was willing to accept the trade, and they were many. I was even more sinful than before I had accepted "God" when I was younger. For sport, my homeboy and I would rob other "hoods," just to show them they're not the baddest on the block. And as for females, they were a better catch if they already had a man. I was beyond pitiful.

All the above is true about me. I thank "God" I didn't remain in that lifestyle. I will say that during that time, I couldn't stop studying the bible. Even then, I still enjoyed discussing the bible, too. I didn't pray, or anything else, but I did read the bible. And I'll admit that at that time, I continued studying the bible because I liked the idea of knowing more than the average person. It's been 8 years, though, since my latest transformation. Again, thank "God." But, now, I must ask...

If I had died before I repented, especially considering that I could have been killed at any given moment, would I still have been saved?
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Stupid me.

This is my second attempt at posting this.

Instead of putting the image on the right in the text-field, I put the number of the available characters left.

~sigh~

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#476598 Jan 13, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Key word being sincere
IMO many skeptics or atheist have never tried this. They are waiting for proof to knock on their door. But doesn't any skeptic worth his salt at least test the situation? So why would one not earnestly seek out God before concluding there is none? IMHO there would be a lot mess atheists if they sincerely sought out God with an open mind and an open heart instead of going into the exercise, which few even do, with the feeling that it is stupid and have pretty much already closed their mind to it. If someone said they sincerely tried to find God and prayed to Him that they may know Him and still didn't believe it would be different. But from my conversations with people anyway, very few if any have done this as they can't get past their initial unbelief to sincerely seek.
Bonsoir Skombolis, in my humble opinion in regards to the atheists and skeptics I believe that they are entitled to their own beliefs and most that I have met have been burned by Christians and Christianity and everything they have learned is a lie. But then again, who am I to say anything? I am a Christian and a Catholic. Then again I may have some insight because my cousin is an atheist.

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#476599 Jan 13, 2013
The work of the Holy Spirit.

Now I am going to him who sent me yet none of you ask me,Where are you going.Because I have said theses things you are filled with grief.But I tell you the truth:It is for your own good that I am going away.Unless I go away the Counselor will not come to you;but if I go I will send him to you.When he comes he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and righteousness and judgment:in regards to sin because men do not believe in me;in regards to righteousness because I am going to the Father where you can see me no longer; and in regard to jugment because the prince of this world now stands condemned.I have much more to say to you more than you can now bear.But when he the Spirit of truth comes he will guide you into all truth.He will not speak on his own;he will speak only what he hears and he will tell you what is yet to come.He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.All that belongs to the Father is mine.That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you.In a little while you will see me no more and then after a little while you will see me.

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#476601 Jan 13, 2013
Seraphine wrote:
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Bonsoir Skombolis, in my humble opinion in regards to the atheists and skeptics I believe that they are entitled to their own beliefs and most that I have met have been burned by Christians and Christianity and everything they have learned is a lie. But then again, who am I to say anything? I am a Christian and a Catholic. Then again I may have some insight because my cousin is an atheist.
Of course everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, I absolutely agree.

Although I tend to see a lot of those that left the faith or that "burned" by the faith be more agnostic then atheist. Most atheist I know have always been atheist

But I would say two things

1) Nothing man does has any impact on whether God exists so I don't think that should be a factor and

2) By definition a skeptic normally will test a situation. I am not saying test every situation as that would be silly. If one person told them eating spiders can give you x-ray vision I wouldn't expect them to test that. But we have no explanation for how life began. All life that we know of has been created by other life. And we have never replicated life from non-life. Add that to the fact that the vast, vast, vast majority of people since the dawn of man have believed in a higher power and I have to believe the search for God would be something a skeptic would at least sincerely test

And again, people have every right to whatever beliefs they have or don't have. I am just saying when someone says they are a skeptic and never bothered looking it doesn't surprise then that they didn't find anything. And I am curious why one wouldn't test it if they are a skeptic

But whether they want to or not is obviously their choice. But when they compare God to the eater bunny or things like that I think it is silly. No adult believes the Easter Bunny created life nor has most of mankind believed the Easter Bunny is real while in contrast they believe in a higher power. If someone is going to mock something I would think at minimum this would be a situation they would at least check out for themselves first.

And of course I think it would be to their benefit if they did. But that is very different than saying they don't have a right to their beliefs or lack of beliefs because I think all people do

(T) Peace

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#476602 Jan 13, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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You can take that to the bank
That is one thing I believe 100% is that ultimately what we think we know isn't going to make one bit of difference. Some stuff we may be right on, some stuff we may be wrong on. We may be shocked to find out which beliefs fall into which of those categories. But at the end of the day only one person is making the call and it sure isn't man
(T) Peace
I do not believe we are going to
be afforded an explanation-
or do I believe we deserve one-
that's
how insignificant we really are here on earth!!

Do you have any memory of before you were born?

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#476603 Jan 13, 2013
blind man n the bleachers wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =aqKqRHNVYb0XX&feature=you tu.be
Wow there you are and I am so happy to see you once more.
Prayers have been answered here.I knew God would bring you back.God bless you always.loveya lil whispers.

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#476604 Jan 13, 2013
Le_le wrote:
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I do not believe we are going to
be afforded an explanation-
or do I believe we deserve one-
that's
how insignificant we really are here on earth!!
I can't say I agree there. If God created us and loves us and cares enough to save us and to send His only Son to die for us then I think He will provide answers for us when the time comes
Le_le wrote:
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Do you have any memory of before you were born?
Nope. I am not sure what the comparison is though. Are you comparing that to death or us having no thought process once we are saved or something else entirely> I am not sure what you are asking

(T) Peace
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#476605 Jan 13, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>...wuff wuff!!.... wuff wuff wuff! translation:(good night! don't let the bedbugs bite!!)
Hey DR,
They didn’t.:)
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#476606 Jan 13, 2013
Part 1
2 Timothy 1:6 ¶Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
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7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
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8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;
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++++++++9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,++++++++
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++++++++10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:++++++++
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11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
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++++++++12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.++++++++
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13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
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14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us.

Continued
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#476607 Jan 13, 2013
Part 2
Matthew Henry’s Commentary:
2 Timothy 1:6-14 God has not given us the spirit of fear, but the spirit of power, of courage and resolution, to meet difficulties and dangers; the spirit of love to him, which will carry us through opposition. And the spirit of a sound mind, quietness of mind. The Holy Spirit is not the author of a timid or cowardly disposition, or of slavish fears. We are likely to bear afflictions well, when we have strength and power from God to enable us to bear them. As is usual with Paul, when he mentions Christ and his redemption, he enlarges upon them; so full was he of that which is all our salvation, and ought to be all our desire. The call of the gospel is a holy call, making holy.
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+++++Salvation is of free grace. This is said to be given us before the world began, that is, in the purpose of God from all eternity; in Christ Jesus, for all the gifts that come from God to sinful man, come in and through Christ Jesus alone.+++++
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And as there is so clear a prospect of eternal happiness by faith in Him, who is the Resurrection and the Life, let us give more diligence in making his salvation sure to our souls. Those who cleave to the gospel, need not be ashamed, the cause will bear them out; but those who oppose it, shall be ashamed.
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+++++The apostle had trusted his life, his soul, and eternal interests, to the Lord Jesus. No one else could deliver and secure his soul through the trials of life and death.+++++
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There is a day coming, when our souls will be inquired after. Thou hadst a soul committed to thee; how was it employed? in the service of sin, or in the service of Christ? The hope of the lowest real Christian rests on the same foundation as that of the great apostle. He also has learned the value and the danger of his soul;
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+++++he also has believed in Christ; and the change wrought in his soul, convinces the believer that the Lord Jesus will keep him to his heavenly kingdom.+++++
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Paul exhorts Timothy to hold fast the Holy Scriptures, the substance of solid gospel truth in them.
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+++++It is not enough to assent to the sound words, but we must love them.+++++
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The Christian doctrine is a trust committed to us; it is of unspeakable value in itself, and will be of unspeakable advantage to us. It is committed to us, to be preserved pure and entire,

+++++yet we must not think to keep it by our own strength, but by the power of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us; and it will not be gained by those who trust in their own hearts, and lean to their own understandings.+++++
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The Bible says you will know them by their fruit. Not that their fruits will save them.
Matthew 7:20

What you must do to be saved is not sin. Or you can be saved through Jesus. There is no way I can be sinless so I thank God that He provided a way for me/us to be saved through Jesus and worked with me until I took that way.

I do not thank myself for not sinning because who of us is perfect except Jesus? But I do thank God for Jesus paying for my sins and sending the Holy Spirit to live in me to help me not to want to sin.
HFN

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#476608 Jan 13, 2013
Ha ha ha hang it in your ears there clueless,peanut and disagree.
God brought Blind man back for a reason.
What God wants God gets.
Welcome back Blind man!!!!
God bless.

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#476609 Jan 13, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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I can't say I agree there. If God created us and loves us and cares enough to save us and to send His only Son to die for us then I think He will provide answers for us when the time comes
<quoted text>
Nope. I am not sure what the comparison is though. Are you comparing that to death or us having no thought process once we are saved or something else entirely> I am not sure what you are asking
(T) Peace
Why do you think us mere mortals deserve
an explanation??

Are you serious??

Faith..is..

Just was wondering where you thought our soul
was before we were born here??

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#476610 Jan 13, 2013
Le_le wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you think us mere mortals deserve
an explanation??
Are you serious??
Faith..is..
Just was wondering where you thought our soul
was before we were born here??
Why wouldn't I be serious?

I never said "deserved"

Did we "deserve" for him to create us, love us, and die for our sins?

Yet he did that didn't he?

And if he sends us His Spirit to give us answers to things while still on Earth, it seems to me like getting answers in the after-life isn't much of a stretch. Not to mention he says we will stand before him and says he will tell people why he didn't save them

What does "faith is" have to do with it?

I have no idea where our souls were or if God created them upon conception. What do you think and what is the relevance to the conversation about the after-life?
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#476611 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
The overriding factor in our salvation is that we must believe that Jesus Christ is Who He says He is and is not tied in any way to what the believer does. We do not initiate our salvation nor do we do anything to achieve it. In fact no one really seeks after God (Rom 3:11) but it is God who seeks after us and calls us (Gal. 1:15-16). That He saves us to completion and to the uttermost is directly attributed to God. We are in no position to save ourselves. It is not about letting Jesus “come into your heart” or about thinking that “God has a wonderful plan for your life” but it is about believing in Jesus Christ. And whoever believes in Him walks in faith and accepts Him in faith. You are saved only by the grace of God and apart from yourself, it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Ephesians 2:8-9 echo this,“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Jesus Plus Works Equals Nothing
If anyone believes that their works can save them remember that God calls even the best of good works filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). Here is the one and only work that God accepts and that Jesus testified to,“…This is the work of God, that you believe on Him Whom He has sent”(John 6:29).“For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God”(Rom 10:3). Romans 4:6 clearly says that we are saved “without the deeds of the Law”(Rom 3:28), and it is “not of works”(Eph. 2:9)“It is the gift of God”(Eph. 2:8). No one is saved by works…we are saved for works. God would not give us the gift of grace only to take it again. Who gives someone a gift and then goes and takes it back?
God Saves Completely
John 6:37 and John10:28-29 both testify that once God calls you and saves you, He will not ever caste you away or you can never be snatched from Jesus’ hand or the Father’s hand. Philippians 1:6 says,“being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” Further, I Corinthians 1:8 states,“He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ God does not call the qualified but He qualifies the called. Holiness is not the way to Jesus; Jesus is the way to holiness. Your own salvation is not all of your responsibility; it is your response to His ability.
http://www.whatchristianswanttoknow.com/can-a...
Hey RA,
One thing that stood out for me is,“Holiness is not the way to Jesus; Jesus is the way to holiness.” Some think you have to be holy to be saved but if that were so we would not need to be saved.

Thank you for taking the time to post this.
HFN
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#476612 Jan 13, 2013
Drew H wrote:
For those who are interested, this is how I study the Bible. For those who are not interested, you are more than welcome to ignore.
I study the Bible through its dispensations or ages as it was given. First, there was eternity past, then came the age of Innocence which was from Adam to the fall in the garden of Eden. After Innocence was the age of Conscience in which all people could have the knowledge of God, but man continued to gravitate away from God in his attempt to be like God.
The age of Conscience ended with the Flood, thus beginning the age of Human Government, and this is still the system that is in place today, but God has continued revealing things up until today with more to come.
Even though human gov't is still operating today, God kept on revealing, and the age of Promise began when God called Abram (Abraham), and this age ended when God gave Moses the Law. So the age of Law continued until the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus at which time the transition to the age of Grace was fully put into effect. This took place in the book of Acts, which is a book of transition between Law and Grace, and Grace became universal when the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. At this point in time, the law was interrupted, but there is coming a time when the law will be re-instituted during the Tribulation. However, I believe, as do many others, an event that is called the Rapture will take place before the Law comes back into effect (Daniel's 70-week prophecy - interrupted after 69 weeks of 7 years when the Temple was destroyed leaving one week or the 7 years of the Tribulation).
So after the Tribulation in which the Jews will finally come to the knowledge that Jesus is their Messiah, God will usher in the Kingdom, thus ending Human Government, as Jesus will rule and reign from His throne in Jerusalem on earth for 1000 years. Then the new Heaven and Earth will be created and remain forever into eternity future.
So when we study the Bible we need to know;
1. Who is speaking
2. The audience being spoken to
3. The message being conveyed to the audience in the proper context of the time without regard to what has yet to be revealed about the future.
Now while this may not work for you, it sure does make the scriptures a whole lot clearer for me. And throughout the time I have been a student of the Bible, I have found, through much prayer and study, many others who think and believe accordingly.
The Bible tells us to study and rightly divide the scriptures in ways that meet God's approval, which may or may not be pleasing to man. Moreover, the Bible tells us to be God-pleasers and not man-pleasers. It also tells us to put on the mind of Christ, or think like God, and the only way we can do that is to study the Word and listen to the Holy Spirit. I do believe the Bible says that He speaks in a still, small voice.
So, for whatever it's worth to whomever it is some worth, I'm willing to share.
Thank you for sharing Drew.

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#476613 Jan 13, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
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Hey RA,
One thing that stood out for me is,“Holiness is not the way to Jesus; Jesus is the way to holiness.” Some think you have to be holy to be saved but if that were so we would not need to be saved.
Thank you for taking the time to post this.
HFN
Hey HFN

I agree that we couldn't save ourselves under any circumstances but just a few verses as to the expectations put to us

1Peter1
15But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; 16for it is written:“Be holy, because I am holy.”17Since you call on a Father who judges each man’s work impartially, live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. 18For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, 19but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect

1 John 3:8–9
8 He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.

Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Just meant as food for thought, nothing more. Have a great night my friend .

(T) Peace

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#476614 Jan 13, 2013
The world hates the Disciples.

If the world hates you keep in mind that it hated me first.If you belong to the world it would love you as its own.As it is you do not belong to the world but I have chosen you out of the world.That is why the world hates you.Remember the words I spoke to you No servant is greater than his master.If they persecuted me,they will persecute you also.It they obeyed my teaching they will obey yours also.They will treat you this way because of my name,for they do not know the One who sent me.If I had not come and spoken to them they would be guility of sin.Now however they have no excuse for their sin.He who hates me hates my Father as well.If I had not done among them what on one else did they would not be guility of sin.But now they have seen theses miracles and yet they have hated both me and my Father.But this is to fulfill what is is written in their law;They hated me without reason.When the couselor comes whom I will sent to you from the Father the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father he will testify about me.And you also must testify for you have been with me from the beginning.All this I have told you so that you will not go astray.They will put you out of the synagogue in fact a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me.I have told you this so that when the times comes you will remember that I warned you.I did not tell you this at first because I was with you.

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