Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476511 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
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As I believe, for anyone that professes to be a believer while relying on repentance rather than obedience is proving themselves to be unfaithful,....
Even if we want to be obedient, we all will fail. When we fail we should be repentant.

I don't see how one can seperate the two.

Just a thought.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476512 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
Context bll, context.
All you did is throw one verse out there than tried to spin and twist it with your usual commentary. And by doing so you completely missed the context of that message with your spin and twist job.
Here try reading the "whole message" in context. Rather than the 1 verse you cherry picked that you tried to spin and twist to fit the false doctrine you're trying to sell in here.
Romans 8:1-17.
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Respect-of-persons is strong in you.

All I did was throw one verse out there? I cherry-pick?

Did you actually read the whole post, including the portion I replied to? All I did was quote the one verse Grace Walker referred to. And she didn't even quote the whole verse! I did, though.

At the same time, I said absolutely nothing wrong. All I did, really, was capitalize key points IN the verse as I repeated them. And the fact of the matter is, even by quoting that one verse, there is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, nor to them who walk not after the flesh, nor to them that walk after the Spirit. The facts remain even without quoting the whole chapter.

You accuse me of "cherry picking," yet you pick and choose which posts of mine to reply to.

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

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#476513 Jan 13, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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It has been more than apparent many times in my life, too, RA. It doesn't allow us to escape God's chastening hand, but it protects us from His eternal judgement, as we understand the Gospel today.
Very true.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#476515 Jan 13, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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Interesting study Drew. I will have to look in to that too. My granddaughter plays basket ball. She loves it. I am always interested in studying and learning new things from the bible. I have to go back to work tomorrow after a 10 day vacation plus finish one more discussion thread in my college comp class tomorrow, so I will be busy also. Take care Drew
So it's time to get back to work after being like a little kid for 10 days. Oh well, at least you enjoyed your vacation.

You take care, too, Grace, and when you get the time, you may want to check out this link: http://www.matthewmcgee.org/index.html , and there are some additional links there too.

Since: Mar 09

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#476516 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>And now, we have certain individuals suggesting that Grace Walker just ignore us, as she's not obligated to answer to any of us. And as true as this is, I would think she'd be more than willing to share any and everything with us, as such boldness would surely give glory to "God!" But, most likely, she'll listen to him.
I think I'll take a stroll through the "Dave and Gary Show" for a little while, to see if at any time, certain contributors expected an answer from any one of Harold Camping's disciples.
How the exchanges go don't surprise me

Tell someone else their beliefs are of the devil

Refuse to interpret scripture

Then claim to be the victim

look for people to side with who like doing the same

This has been going on since i got here. And Lord knows there are beliefs others have that people could go after easily but the whole premise of that is just stupid. I don't care if someone believes differently than me. Although I like to know why and often I learn things from debates. But I done dealing with 'adults' who are not capable of adult exchanges.

If people are so insecure or egotistical that someone believing differently causes them to resort to silly accusations and feigning ignorance to ignore answering scripture then knowing Topix they will not have a hard time finding people who will love that sort of thing and will sit around and tell each other they are going to hell or are of the devil. After 3 years I thought perhaps we might have been past it but so long as some people refuse to change then things will stay the same

I can't imagine when the Bible was written and it said scripture was meant for correction, teachings, and training in righteousness that the intent was to sit around and accuse other believers of being of the devil. Just childish nonsense.

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

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#476517 Jan 13, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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Bonsoir Madame,
I am not a Christian, so I cannot respond to your question.
I do want to congratulate the general population of this thread for its generally friendly and positive attitude today. It is far more pleasant than when folks become argumentative in a hostile manner.
Again, props to all.
Bonsoir mon ami, I too am pleased to note the cessation of hostility amongst ourselves. Treat others as you yourself wish to be treated.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476518 Jan 13, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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Guilt??? Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
That the gospel does not pronounce condemnation like the Law. Its function is to pardon; the function of the law is to condemn. The one never affords deliverance, but always condemns; the object of the other is to free from condemnation, and to set the soul at liberty.
So a truly 'once saved' person can constantly commit murder, rape and theft and still get to Heaven, right ?

Since: Mar 09

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#476519 Jan 13, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Good morning Skom, very astute post on your part and one of the things that annoys me is the lines drawn and battle sides that many have taken here, while there are a few of us who have agree with one another on many issues but are still not afraid the behavior of one another when the debates get a little heated and we say some things that we shouldn't, but sadly many on this thread execute their choosen sides by conveying their one sided "judgements/corrections " on those who they feel have offended their friends/allies instead of approaching both sides who may have spoken out of terms.
I think all of us have been guilty at lesst occasionally of speaking out of terms to one another but v I could respect many here much better if they were honest enough to reprove and rebuke ALL involved for improvement of peace and courtesy toward one another on the thread, but showing favotism on behalf of your friends when they are just as guilty or more so as the person they are attacking is hypocritical to say the least and there is nothing of God about it, even those long time regulars of this thread who seldom gets in the midst of these arguments are on occasion still guilty of doing so. We can all do better.
Well that's all I wanted to say, hope everyone have a Blessed day in the Lord.
I don't even expect people to rebuke evenly because that almost never happens. But when they just get out of doing the same thing or would be up in arms if it was being said against their beliefs one would expect them to at least have the integrity not to weigh in. Does anybody really believe if it was being said to someone who believes OSAS that their beliefs were of the devil, that they are blinded by God, that they are a pharisee, that they don't trust in Christ and etc, etc, etc that it would be those people being attacked? Heck Andrew was called out for not being humble for saying way, way less than anything like that. It is hypocrisy at its finest

(T) Peace

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#476520 Jan 13, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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I like that Drew, may I use it? I missed you as well btw :)
Brag on God <3
You may use it J-lu, may I call you J-lu? Anything I post can be used by anyone.

Time for me to turn in. Until next time, bask in His Word and Brag on God!

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476521 Jan 13, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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.... One of the main evidences for this is that the destruction is not mentioned or alluded to in Revelation....
By that logic:
Lincoln didn't mention the burning of Washington so the American Civil War must have occured before the War of 1812.

The Temple arguement fails any historical methodology test.
That is why apologists are not called historians.

Since: Sep 10

Hermosa Beach, CA

#476523 Jan 13, 2013
Seraphine wrote:
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Bonsoir mon ami, I too am pleased to note the cessation of hostility amongst ourselves. Treat others as you yourself wish to be treated.
At this juncture, cessation may be an exaggeration.

:)

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#476524 Jan 13, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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Have you been looking into that stuff I sent you?
I know you're a busy man, just look through it at your leisure.
Started to read some of McGee... never heard of Feldick , looks interesting. Can't give a real assessment now though.

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#476522 Jan 13, 2013
huk wek fu fue wrote:
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Huk Wek Fu Fue was watvhing you from the top of tree wisdom,
and concluded that you Tang Ban pu po and Khita Goergyoreo are not able to slash or burn aything
because sword is not sharp,made from cheap pine wood and only good to throw to the oven to coock rice soup for Great White Eagle named Huk Wek Fu Fue
so
deapart ASAP IF IT IS STILL GOOD OPEN GATE PASSAGE
Get back in your space ship ...droid.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#476525 Jan 13, 2013
Le_le wrote:
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Hi Drew!
So happy to peek in and see you..
I am-- because of God's Grace..
So simple?? Yes or no??
I've gotta be missing something??
I see the Love of God- easy and kind and not full of worries??
Yes it is so simple, so simple that it confounds the intelligent and His grace is greater than all of our worries.

Always good to see you Le le.

“Painters Find Beauty in Life ”

Since: Mar 10

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#476526 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
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I'm sure what he said is true in some cases. But to make the broad sweeping statement that quote: "Christians particularly American Christians love the idea of Jesus as Saviour but we generally do not accept him as Lord of our lives and allowing Him to work in us" is rather judgemental blanket statement by the person that said it, wouldn't you say?
Is it your parish priests place to make such a sweeping judgement? Perhaps he needs to look at his own walk and ask himself whether or not he's allowing Jesus to work in his live. Because standing behind the pulpit throwing out judgements like that on people he doesn't even know sure isn't allowing Jesus to work in his life. Because it's clearly not his place to judge "Christians and/or American Christians" that he doesn't even know.
Bonsoir mon ami, he was reprimanded for this staement by his superiors after they had head of this, we are told often that our tongues our are worst enemies. For any person to make a judgement such as this is indeed wrong and biased especially since I am an American. This situation is now out of my hands all I can do now is pray that it comes to a satisfactory conclusion. He is not the first person behind the pulpit to do this, Sora and I have seen others do so as well, we spoke to him ourselves regarding our feelings on the subject and many more did in the Parish as well, after all we are to be held accountable for our actions do you not agree? Have you yourself ever witnessed Pastors/Priests/ acting or saying things they should not have? Do you believe we did the right thing in telling him of our feelings?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476527 Jan 13, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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....for support and edification, not salvation.
Come on, G, you are not stupid. You know what she was talking about.
Yes. She was trying to rally her troops. I just shot the horse out from under her. <smile>

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#476528 Jan 13, 2013
Senecus wrote:
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Revelation written before 70 A.D. Say it aint so! You'll be branded a heretic!(er, like me~) I jest , but slightly because, I came to the same conclusion a while ago now.
Not only is the destruction not mentioned , but John, in Rev. 11:1,2; is told to measure the temple of God... as if it's still standing. How could this be if it's a post 70 A.D. writing ?
Brand me, Bro. Yep, that is correct.
Just bragging on God.

“ Xue Rengui”

Since: Oct 09

Khitan extraordinaire

#476529 Jan 13, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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You may use it J-lu, may I call you J-lu? Anything I post can be used by anyone.
Time for me to turn in. Until next time, bask in His Word and Brag on God!
Have a good night Drew, going to do the same..."Slumberland" ...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476530 Jan 13, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Why should you speak for all mankind? ;p
Because someone should.

I am not afraid of God.

Read Job.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476531 Jan 13, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
Nope.
They are at the heart of Paul's message.
When did Jesus say "After I die, go to Paul." ?
Actually according to the Bible Jesus said to go to James.
He asked that James care for his mother. But, if anything, he asked that Peter take the helm after he strengthens his brethren.
G_O_D wrote:
Then Paul's Roman friends had James murdered.
Following is the beginning of your excerpt...

"Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority]. Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the Sanhedrin of judges..."

Then, it reads as you quoted...
G_O_D wrote:
"...and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others,[or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned." Josephus

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