Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476330 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Pardon me? Would you rather I not show the definition of the terms the authors of the Greek "New Testament" used when they wrote their gospels, letters, and epistles? Would it be "right" if it were someone else, then, like a well-known televangelist, or perhaps, your so-called "minister?"
<quoted text>And in our English, "conversation" is a discussion that takes place, hopefully, between two or more people. The Greek definition of our English term, though, means "behavior," or "how one acts and reacts." What a difference, right?
Try to remember that the original "New Testament" texts were written in Greek, for the most part. Therefore, the definition of our English texts must still be subject to the original intent and definitions.
<quoted text>Nothing in scripture even slightly suggests that we "believe" in the devil in the same context as we must "God."
<quoted text>Why repent, though, if all our present and future sins are already forgiven us? Wouldn't any expression of repentance prove a lack of faith in what our anointed Savior accomplished on the cross if he did, indeed, forgive us of all our present and future sins already? Would adultery, murder, or fornication, even be sin still if that were true?
sir
in my language very similar to old greek term "believe"

IS TO BELIEVE WITH ABSOLUTE OBEDIENCE AND CLEANESS OF ALL SINS IN SPIRITUAL AND PHISICAL SENSE

WITHOUT OF THIS TYPE BELIEVING OUR FAITH IS DEAD-also saved believer without of daily works on His Faith,body and spirit is completly lost and unsaved

faith without of work is dead.....so Bible tell us simple and clear

in greek Holiness means saved always saved
in english Holines means saved not always saved,

those people lost deep sense of grace, work of Faith,Believe and completly obey as proff of Love our Lord

Jesus said
"if you love me,keep all commandments,and follow me?

WHO DOES THIS TODAY AROUND??????
ONLY MAYBE FEW ON THIS GLOBE
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476331 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>
So true!!!
At times it appears that bll makes things up as he goes along. The following scripture fits him to a "T".
James 1:5-8.
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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If you ask bll what he believes in and what he calls his belief he'll tell you that he's not a Christian or a Jew or anything else you've ever heard of. He'll tell you he's some belief/religion that he's made up and that he's named.
Completely bizarre to say the least.
Sir
BLL post only copies of previous his or other posts, just his own specaulaive mind sayings having nothing to do with Bible and Grace as Gift once given and never taken away,

it is same like loving father give own child nice gift under christmas tree,and never will take away next day.

people teach nonsenses and BLL
even doesn't have Bible open before his eyes,
only prodly count on his own funny and bizarre man made beliefs

have good night RA

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#476332 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>And I've shown, not a few times, that the term "believe," in the Greek texts, is interchangeable with the term "obey." So, to believe is to be obedient. But, certain of us ignored it, totally.
Introduction 1.1
This is a thorough bible study about the Greek verb &#960;&#953;&#963; &#964;&#949;&#8059 ;&#969;,'pisteuo' meaning 'to believe'(Strong's 4100), and contains every scripture verse where the word 'pisteuo' appears in the New Testament. To obtain a true understanding of this word these scriptures need to be meditated on and notes made of their meaning in different contexts. This requires putting scriptures together where they seem to have a similar meaning, and then meditating even more. The truth will be revealed by the Holy Spirit, who has been given to guide us into all truth (John 16:13). Wherever this word pisteuo appears in the Greek, the translation of it is highlighted with bold type and underline. If the word is in italics then there is no equivalent word for it in the Greek. Every blessing be to those who seek the truth of God's word.

#1.1 Scriptures for &#960;&#953;&#963; &#964;&#949;&#8059 ;&#969; (Gtr. pisteuo) meaning 'to believe'(Strong's 4100)

http://www.logosapostolic.org/greek_word_stud...
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In the Greek New Testament, the word “faith” is mostly “pistis” and the words “believe” or “believed” are mostly “pisteuo”. Vine states:“The main elements in faith in its relation to the invisible God, as distinct from faith in man, are especially brought out in the use of this noun (‘pistis’) and the corresponding verb,‘pisteuo’; they are (1) a firm conviction, producing a full acknowledgement of God’s revelation or truth e.g, 2 Thessalonians 2:11,12.(2) a personal surrender to Him, John 1:12; (3) a conduct inspired by such surrender, 2 Corinthians 5:7. Prominence is given to one or other of these elements according to the context”.[1]

http://internetbiblecollege.net/Lessons/Greek...

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476333 Jan 13, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
It remonds me of being told to do what is right because it is the right thing to do, even if it doesn't have a reward.
IMHO people who believe in Jesus should try to do as Jesus taught only because Jesus taught it, not because it will "save" them.
I think those that just want to be "saved" or have "eternal life" are missing the wholepoint.
I try to follow Jesus even though I may end up in Hell anyway. I accept that...in Jesus name.
Excellent conclusion!

The teachings of our anointed Savior, being the spiritual significance and proper application of the law, or the very law itself, was NEVER for one to "be saved." The law was and is to teach us the most profitable lifestyle that benefits all people. The spiritual significance and application of the law is righteousness. And only righteous thoughts, actions, reactions, and speech, will be allowed in the coming kingdom of Glory. And that's the condition that many wish were not true, or become delusional to the belief that it's not.

The application and obedience of the law does not guarantee entrance into the kingdom. But, disobedience, on the other hand, will disallow entrance. Our application and obedience, all in all, proves our desire to enter the kingdom, as our present application and disobedience proves our belief that "God" knows, better than we do, how we should live, just like how "God" knows, better than we do, what we should eat, so forth and so on. But, what's to think of a person that chooses, rather, to live according to their own definitions of love and respect instead of that prescribed us in the scriptures? What does "God" think of those that declare how none can become perfect even though we have numerous scriptures that instructs us to become just that? What does "God" think of those that teach others that none can lose salvation even though we have a myriad of verses that prove stipulations exist? What does "God" think of those that claim to believe Him, but ignores all the verses that instruct us to keep the commandments and that we'll be saved "if"?

Salvation is based on our faith in "God" and His only-begotten Son. But, what does this mean?

"Faith" is equivalent to "belief." In this, we must believe in "God" and His only-begotten Son. And in this, to believe in them means that we believe all they've told us. This means that as "God" declared the He has a Son, and that He sent His Son to die as our substitute, we believe Him, without wavering. When "God" said that His law is a lamp and light, we believe Him. When it's written that a kingdom without unrighteousness is approaching, we believe Him. When it's written that the penalty of death is fulfilled in His Son, we believe Him. Therefore, we'll not carry out the death sentence, as we believe that only "God" is worthy enough to administer such punishment. When it's written that the sacrifice of animals has been fulfilled in His Son, we believe Him. Therefore, we'll not depend on the blood of animals to be forgiven and reconciled to Him. When it's written that the precepts of the Sabbaths are fulfilled in His Son, we believe Him, knowing that a far greater rest is approaching. When it's written that circumcision is fulfilled in His Son, we believe Him. Therefore, we'll not depend on circumcision in order to enter into a covenant with Him. And when He declares how that all the ceremonial laws have been fulfilled in His Son, we believe Him. Therefore, we'll not rely on any of these ceremonies in order to be considered "clean" before Him. When He declares that adultery is fulfilled in His Son, we believe Him. Therefore, we've no fear of consequence if we commit adultery. Wait.....

I agree. None should rely on obedience to the law in order to be saved. Obedience to the law should be fueled by the fact and knowledge that we know it's the right thing to do. If we obey the law in order to be saved, our intentions are selfish. And selfishness does not promote sincerity.

Shalowm.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476334 Jan 13, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>What part of get out of here and don't come back do you not understand old rabbit-brained boy??
don't be so sure that you are saved and always saved

my words will chase you to the last minute of your earthly idiot life,and 1 minute before you die,you will know for sure,if you are or were SAVED AT ALL

only all sings of your wickedness,politics, bambling to yourselves,shows
that you got nothing to do with any GRACE FROM GOD???you are stupid fanatic of your liar preacher?
that is all,
cockraoch brain is larger from yours ,you idiotic prince of pees(peace)
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476335 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because you have shown it numerous times, the Greek definition,doesn't mean that it is RIGHT.
In our English , Believe means, that it is TRUE or genuine.
I BELIEVE that Satan exist, But I will not OBEY him.
We will WANT to Obey Christ and we will REPENT if we do sin.
you right
you believe that satan exist, but your faith without of work of obedience to the satan commandments is dead and you never follow satan as Gods adversary

but greek koine word believe have to be conected with work of faith- complete obedience
that way your faith is not dead,and you follow God accordingly,

Jesus said,
if you love me follow me and my comandments
also believe+obedience is to work and destroy all earthly and spiritual tempations-sins and have genuine obedience and belief following God
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#476336 Jan 13, 2013
God could not take away from us what He has freely GIVEN. Could not, Would not, Will not ever take away from US what He has GIVEN.

Privileges? rewards? maybe.

Mankind (parents) when we do something wrong can take away some privileges or rewards,and ground us, but (MOST,anyway) parents can NOT take away the LOVE they have for us or disown us .

God also has given us 'free will' and He will not take that away either.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476337 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
I can not believe you have made such a statement.'If all present and future sins are already forgiven us, wouldn't any expression of repentance prove LACK of faith in what our annointed Savior acomplished on the cross'
What kind of religion or FAITH do you have, anyway?
Sorry to have to tell you, but You really take the scriptures out of context.
Beleive , means the same, no matter how you use it in a sentence or discussion.
And here comes the attitude.

First, that wasn't a statement. It was a question, and it remains.

Scriptures make it clear that we'll be forgiven upon repentance, but not before. If we were forgiven of our sins even before we've committed them, then repentance would be unnecessary. Forgiveness has been granted us when our anointed Savior died for us, but unless we repent, we'll not be forgiven. Notice, if you will, that Peter preached, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." He, clearly, taught to repent for the remission of sins, not that sins have always and forever been forgiven.

Secondly, it makes no sense to accuse me of perverting scriptures if you're not going to provide evidence, too, to show me how I've done such a thing. How does it profit me, or anyone else for that matter, to accuse me of such things without exposing my error? As of now, your accusation remains unprofitable.

Lastly, my bible has differences of interpretation at the bottom of the page. In this, I'd appreciate it if you would examine Romans 11:30-31, Romans 15:31, Ephesians 5:6, and Hebrews 11:31. These are the verses I can remember, at the top of my head. Faith without works is dead, though, as written by James. Therefore, to believe that obedience has absolutely nothing to do with faith is preposterous. Obedience serves as evidence of faith while faith encourages obedience. Show my your faith without obedience and I'll show you my faith by my obedience.

Don't be angry, simplyput. I'm only trying to discuss this issue with you.

Until next time...

Shalowm.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476338 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
God could not take away from us what He has freely GIVEN. Could not, Would not, Will not ever take away from US what He has GIVEN.
Privileges? rewards? maybe.
Mankind (parents) when we do something wrong can take away some privileges or rewards,and ground us, but (MOST,anyway) parents can NOT take away the LOVE they have for us or disown us .
God also has given us 'free will' and He will not take that away either.
why truly saved are mostly chastised very severly during this life,

because their transgressions bring all kind of punishement,suffering ,trouble and at end as TRULY SAVE ALWAYS SAVED RECIVE CRONE OF ETERNAL LIFE

from truly saved are always saved by Gods Grace Free Gift,and free will,

those who fail,and return to the viomits of this life, were not saved by Gods Grace at all,
only were'saved'by lies of pastors or churches gain this way own benefitis and LIE TO THEIR MEMBERS

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476339 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
... The One way we as humans can tell is by that person's works, how he continues to live, and shows signs of being a true Christian.....
By that, I know several non-christians who are Christians and many 'christians' who aren't.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476340 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
God could not take away from us what He has freely GIVEN. Could not, Would not, Will not ever take away from US what He has GIVEN.
Privileges? rewards? maybe.
Mankind (parents) when we do something wrong can take away some privileges or rewards,and ground us, but (MOST,anyway) parents can NOT take away the LOVE they have for us or disown us .
God also has given us 'free will' and He will not take that away either.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

What is the gift again? The answer is above. Is it grace? Is grace the "free gift," or salvation?
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#476341 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>And here comes the attitude.
First, that wasn't a statement. It was a question, and it remains.
Scriptures make it clear that we'll be forgiven upon repentance, but not before. If we were forgiven of our sins even before we've committed them, then repentance would be unnecessary. Forgiveness has been granted us when our anointed Savior died for us, but unless we repent, we'll not be forgiven. Notice, if you will, that Peter preached, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." He, clearly, taught to repent for the remission of sins, not that sins have always and forever been forgiven.
Secondly, it makes no sense to accuse me of perverting scriptures if you're not going to provide evidence, too, to show me how I've done such a thing. How does it profit me, or anyone else for that matter, to accuse me of such things without exposing my error? As of now, your accusation remains unprofitable.
Lastly, my bible has differences of interpretation at the bottom of the page. In this, I'd appreciate it if you would examine Romans 11:30-31, Romans 15:31, Ephesians 5:6, and Hebrews 11:31. These are the verses I can remember, at the top of my head. Faith without works is dead, though, as written by James. Therefore, to believe that obedience has absolutely nothing to do with faith is preposterous. Obedience serves as evidence of faith while faith encourages obedience. Show my your faith without obedience and I'll show you my faith by my obedience.
Don't be angry, simplyput. I'm only trying to discuss this issue with you.
Until next time...
Shalowm.
Why would you think to ask such a question, as that statement in discussion? YOU were just cutting down this OSAS belief?

No attitude BLL, you made that statemnt just to cut down that WE say to REPENT, even though we believe in OSAS.

When we become Christians, we will show SIGNS of good works, this is how WE as in MANKIND , KNOW that we are true Christians.

BLL , God does not need outside appearances, He knows if we are truly His child.

No anger at all BLL, why did you think I was, because I didn't agree with you?

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476342 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
...
That is what SATAN does, He lies to us and is a PRETENDER, a FAKE.
Satan is mentioned only once in the OT and once by Jesus.

Satan is a fictional character in the allegory of Job and an imaginary being (also metaphorical) in a desert vision of Jesus.

There is no Satan unless you believe that there are more than one supernatural beings (Gods).

Satan is a Hebrew metaphor for man's own self-destructive nature. You want to see 'Satan' all one needs to do is look in the mirror.... you will see the image of God there as well.

"For his people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'" Isaiah and Jesus

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476343 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>And I've shown, not a few times, that the term "believe," in the Greek texts, is interchangeable with the term "obey." So, to believe is to be obedient. But, certain of us ignored it, totally.
Have to agree that the history of Christianity since 325 AD has been to believe in Jesus and obey the Church.

The notion that "The Church" IS Jesus/God ("the body of Christ") IMHO is the epitome of blasphemy.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#476344 Jan 13, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Without looking, from memory probaly the late 1st or earliest 2nd century. Do you believe Revelation to be an acceptable part of the Holy Scriptures?
Yes I do. But in relation to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, do you believe it was written before or after?

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#476345 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
What is the gift again? The answer is above. Is it grace? Is grace the "free gift," or salvation?
<<<Rolls eyes and chuckles.

By "God's grace" we are given "the gift of salvation". The gift is salvation.

It doesn't say "by your gift of grace are ye saved".

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476346 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>
....
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him....
You think that only YOU and those that agree with you are guided by God's wisdom.

You think you are better than everyone... even Jesus!

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476347 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
So true!!!
At times it appears that bll makes things up as he goes along. The following scripture fits him to a "T".
James 1:5-8.
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
_______
Says you. That's alright, though. You're entitled to your opinions, no matter how wrong they are. And if it were true, you've yet to prove that.
Red Apples wrote:
If you ask bll what he believes in and what he calls his belief he'll tell you that he's not a Christian or a Jew or anything else you've ever heard of. He'll tell you he's some belief/religion that he's made up and that he's named.
Completely bizarre to say the least.
I call my religion "Mashiyachiym." And as I've explained before, the term "Mashiyachiym" is the Hebrew equivalent to the Greek "Christianos" and our English "Christian." Am I wrong for preferring the Hebrew rendering before the Greek, or English? I don't like using the term "Christian," because in our day and age, the term is a general one. And the beliefs of the so-called "Christian" varies as much as the number of insects we have on our beautiful planet.

As to my beliefs, I've always declared what they are, coupled with scripture. I've never withheld one belief from anyone that's asked.

Where's Harold Camping's disciples when you need them, so we can be friends again, you and I?!
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#476348 Jan 13, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Satan is mentioned only once in the OT and once by Jesus.
Satan is a fictional character in the allegory of Job and an imaginary being (also metaphorical) in a desert vision of Jesus.
There is no Satan unless you believe that there are more than one supernatural beings (Gods).
Satan is a Hebrew metaphor for man's own self-destructive nature. You want to see 'Satan' all one needs to do is look in the mirror.... you will see the image of God there as well.
"For his people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'" Isaiah and Jesus
That might be the very thing Satan wants you to believe, that he doesn't exist. There is only ONE God (in my belief , anyway)

Satan WANTS to be GOD., so he will ACT like God, even go as far as trying to fool even the ELECT of God, some Angels even followed him.

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#476349 Jan 13, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hi.
No, but I would be if someone passed it this way.

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