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Truth be told, People who disagree with Justification by Faith sin just as much as those under grace...
Actually, I think justification by Faith and Grace go hand in hand... Those who are followers Christ should believe in both and they should not be separated in the life of the Believer... and to include with those... Faith without works is dead.

But what should be separted from the balanced approach of Justification by Faith, Grace and good works....is the Once Saved Always Saved gospel. OSAS isn't scriptural at all...

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<quoted text>Good Morning Grace, Amen... they think that no matter what they do... even to the point that if a person who had accepted Christ in the past backslid and never repented and turned back to Christ... that they are forever saved no matter what. But that is not scripturally true. That is false.
The word “backslider” or “backsliding” does not appear in the New Testament and is used in the Old Testament primarily of Israel

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<quoted text>Speaking for myself...
Because I've seen many a believer that not only believed in such a doctrine, but preached the same, and got caught committing adultery, fornication, or what-have-you. And all the while before they became exposed, they were highly regarded as "spiritual," and as having the Holy Spirit. Then, they would come on television crying and begging for forgiveness.
What thoughts and beliefs led them to think and act as they did? And how many of them would have came out and admitted their sins had they not been exposed?
Now, I understand that this isn't the normal mode of operation for all that believe in such doctrines, but we've been given enough evidence that this mode exists, nonetheless. I don't think numbers matter in this case, as if such doctrines shouldn't be examined and re-examined because only a minority gets exposed as hypocrites. To understand more my contention, look into Jose Luis dejesus Miranda and see just how far this issue goes.
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AND the same sort of things happen to those who DONT believe in the Grace Message. Its was a choice they made. Doctrine had nothing to do with that. Weak defense there BLL...ALL sin regarding of doctrine.

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There is no difference there and no difference in sin, weather it be willful or not.
That's where a lot of people get hung up. But God judges the motives and intentions of the heart also. For example, it was Eve who sinned first... Adam sinned secondly but yet it was Adam's fault. What was the difference between the two? There is a difference.

Another example, God told Ezekiel that He would show him greater sins that the people of Israel were doing. And I think we already discussed about Jesus saying that sodom's judgement would be more tolerable than some of those towns that He preached to. Then we have the parable of the "talents"... I could go on and on but don't have the time unfortunately.

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Not here to judge,nor find fault only to share.
What you decide to do is up to you.

How does God regard backsliding.

Thy backslidings shall reprove thee it is an evil thing and bitter that thou hast forsaken the Lord thy God of hosts.Jermimah 2:19

If any man draws back My soul shall have no pleasure in him.Hebrews 10:38

What has ever been the tendency of God's people.

My people are bent on backsliding from me.Horea 11:7

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<quoted text>I respect and understand that they believe in the message of God's Grace... everyone who claims to be a follower of Christ ought to believe in this note:
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God <--- NOT BY WORKS, SO THAT NO ONE CAN BOAST. FOR WE are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus TO DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do." Eph 2:89
That is a balanced way of looking at that particular scripture. You have the Grace message there that we all know about in 8,9... and then it goes on to verse 10 about Good Works... Grace, Faith and Good Works go hand in hand.
The demonic teaching is the Antinomianistic "Once Saved Always Saved" Gospel, not the Grace Gospel. The Grace Gospel is fine.
Understood. OSAS will be argued about until Jesus returns and then we will all know. In the meantime, If we continue as we are, we have nothing to fret over.

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Jesus Himself said we cant mix the "new" with the "old"...Law(old) and Grace (new)..He tells us this with these parables..
"And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a NEW garment upon an OLD; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
And no man putteth NEW wine into OLD winskin..else they ferment and he LOSES BOTH.—Luke 5:36-39, KJV
"Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old."

The point our anointed Savior was making as he referred to new wine in old wine-skins is that, we can't expect to achieve spiritual enlightenment without, first, changing our worldly thoughts and feelings. What good is it to learn the spiritual significance of the law if we're only going to remain thinking, acting, reacting, and speaking, the same way we did prior to our learning? In the end, we'll only lose our lifestyle and that which we've learned.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

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THREE WORDS THAT PROVE
ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED

NOTE: This Bible study should only be read by those who know or who are willing to learn their English grammar and those who know how to use the Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary.


The three words that prove “once saved, always saved” as a valid doctrine are ALL, NEVER and IRREVOCABLE. The following definitions are taken out of the Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary:

as an adjective -

All - entire, complete
1. The whole number of...
2. The whole quantity of...
3. Every one of...
4. Any, any whatsoever
5. Every
6. The greatest possible

Bible Proof Verses:

“and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from ALL sin.” 1 John 1:7c

“He made you alive with Him, having forgiven us ALL our transgressions.” Colossians 2:13b, c


Greek Word Used in Bible for Above Verses:“pas”

Vine’s Greek Dictionary Definition of “pas”:


1. All, every, every kind or variety.
2. Highest degree, the maximum of what is referred to
3. Totality of the things being referred to (in plural)

COMMENT: Those who say that a person can “fall away”,“walk away”,“turn away”, or “backslide away” from the Lord, do not understand that the Lord has cancelled their sin debt completely. This includes ALL “fall aways”, ALL “walk aways”, ALL “turn aways” and ALL “backslide aways” from the Lord, since ALL these things are sins and therefore have ALL been paid for into the future until we die. To say that a person can “walk away” or “turn” from the Lord and thus lose salvation, assumes that Jesus forgot to pay for the “walk aways” and “turn aways”. He didn’t forget them, however. Those sins were also paid for at the cross and that’s why ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED. There is no way that we can lose our salvation.

http://www.gnbcbible.com/threewords.htm

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The word “backslider” or “backsliding” does not appear in the New Testament and is used in the Old Testament primarily of Israel
"shall depart from the faith" then... that, similarly among others phrases like that are in the NT.
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<quoted text>Good Morning Grace, Amen... they think that no matter what they do... even to the point that if a person who had accepted Christ in the past backslid and never repented and turned back to Christ... that they are forever saved no matter what. But that is not scripturally true. That is false.
you are right
Jesus died for His chosen ones,and save His chosen ones predestned EPH 1;3-12 .....always saved

And Jesus dies for His second flock own to Him-rev 7;9 ..for great great also saved but not always saved

also Jesus redeem only His chosen ones,protect His chosen one, give a grace only to His chosen ones

Jesus did,nt die for members of satan kingdom,also he didn't die or save THEM NOT BELONGING TO HIS OWN 2 FLOCKS,HE IS SHEPHERD ONLY HIS FLOCK FOR WHOM HE DIED AND SAVE

HIS WORD IS FIRST AND LAST,

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Can a person ‘lose’ their salvation?
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.Many people have taught that a person can “lose” his/her salvation. If people don’t do the right things, go the right places, and so forth, then they won’t be saved.

I agree that there are some fruits of the spirit that Christians will begin to show–not always right away–because they ARE saved. But to lose their salvation?

How big is what Jesus did for you? What He did for me was huge. Enormous. So big that it’s impossible to ‘lose’. I could reject it, perhaps, but if I am really saved, would I? And still, again, how could I lose something that big? I’ve lost my keys… I’ve even lost my car a couple of times amongst all the others in the parking lot. But those are so small in comparison. For me, to ‘lose’ my salvation would be akin to someone ‘losing’ the Empire State Building or the Great Wall of China. A person could get lost and miss it (though if they’d stop and ask for directions that might be a bit difficult, too), but they couldn’t ‘lose’ it. It’s too big to be lost.

How does salvation work, anyway? Is some poor angel trying to keep a score board in Heaven? Saved: IIIIIIII Lost IIIIIII… Oops! Another tally for lost. Nope, saved. Nah, lost again! Aha! Sav–los–save–ah, forget it. Silly human! I hardly think so. Nor should we go around day to day or moment by moment wondering if there’s anything we said or did that we should repent of “so if God came back this instant I’d be saved”. We should instead live conscious moment to moment and day to day that we want to do our best for Him, not so we can be saved, but just because we love Him and want to please Him (because He first loved us).

Nor does a person turn around one day and say,“oh, my! Where did my salvation go?!?! It was here a bit ago, I’m sure!” It’s not something that slips through your fingers and disappears slowly over time. Salvation doesn’t wear out or fade away. It doesn’t “leak” out of your life. You can neglect it, but God is still there, drawing you back. You can intentionally walk away from it, but you still remember where it is. You haven’t lost salvation in those cases, but instead have made a conscious decision to go in another direction. But does that make us “unsaved”? Can we undo what God’s already done for us? I believe in free choice, so I guess if someone rejected salvation, God wouldn’t force them to stay saved if they didn’t want to be. I’m just still not sure how anyone who was once saved could reject such a wonderful gift. Question it? Yes, I’ve been there. Doubt some things? Sure. Reject it? Maybe. Lose it? No. It’s too big to lose.

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Then we also have to understand the word SIN..The NOUN..SIN..not the verb or ACTION of sin such as lying, cheating, stealing.ect..ect.. All that is a RESULT of the noun SIN. In the book of Romans, The word "Sin" is used 49 times which the NOUN "HAMARTIA” is used 47 times and the verb or actions of sin is only used twice. Its the sin nature we struggle with.Understanding that will help a great deal. Have a blessed day Quin.
Resisting "the noun" sin, resisting sinful actions, resisting the sin nature... same difference... and we must resist the devil also on top of that.

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BLL, said.... Why, just last night, I was accused of perverting scriptures when, in actuality, "all I did was quote verses while not adding any commentary or interpretation to any of the verses I quoted"...
Did you miss ALL the verses that I quoted last night that backs up my claim? Just verses..No commentary. There is verses that back up both..However, If you are going to quote Paul, you must know that paul ONLY preached The Grace Messgae. The commandments we are to obey are The 2 that Jesus left..ALL the rest hang on these 2 commandments..Do you need or want the scripture that backs that up as well?
I also said, "As a warning to the converted Gentiles regarding the disbelief of Israel, Paul wrote,'Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.' Now, in your opinion, does it sound like salvation is guaranteed? They were told,'Be not highminded, but fear.' What's to fear if salvation is guaranteed? If salvation was guaranteed with no chance of losing salvation, then why would Paul write,'Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling'? What's there to work out? And why fear and trembling?"

I read all the verses you quoted, and I agree with them. What I don't agree with is your interpretation of them. How do those same verses coincide with what I quoted, above? Are they harmonious, or should we compromise, or just disregard, the interpretation of those I quoted?

Paul, indeed, taught grace, but never did he say to ignore the commandments, or that salvation is guaranteed. Salvation, in itself, is guaranteed, but whether or not we're saved is not. If it were, then the verses I quoted, above, would not exist.

Until next time, my friend...

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Be careful what you ask for! LOL
Just kidding, I appreciate the kind words and the encouragement to engage in discussion and I love talking to people whose intention going in is to learn and grow. It is mine as well as I said prior I have no loyalty to my beliefs so far as them being "my" beliefs. That means nothing to me if what I believe isn't right. I want to go wherever the truth leads.
IMO there is some confusion at times over the teachings of Christ and did they apply to Gentiles. I know you and i are in agreement on that but wanted to leave you with this is the Roman soldier would be considered a Gentile. Also note what he says about some of the subjects of the Kingdom.
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The Faith of the Centurion
5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said,“my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”
7 Jesus said to him,“Shall I come and heal him?”
8 The centurion replied,“Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one,‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one,‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant,‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him,“Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
13 Then Jesus said to the centurion,“Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
A point about the centurion.
There is no reason a Roman soldier couldn't be a Jew as well. The Romans didn't discriminate, notive that many Jews were also tax collectors and other Roman officials. Judea had been a Roman province for over 50 years when Jesus was born.

Also, the Samaritans were Hebrews (Israelites) and simply considered heretics by the Judeans (Jews) it does not mean that Jesus considered them as Gentiles.

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Causes and characteristics of backsliding.

What inevitably leads to departure from God.

Take heed,brethren lest there be in any of you evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God.Hebrews 3:12
See also Hebrews 12:1

In what way did the constant backsliding of the people of Jerusalem manifest itself.

Why then is this people of Jerusalem slidden back by a perpetual backsliding thy hold fast deceit thy refuse to turn.I hearkened and heard,but they spake not aright no man repented him of his wickedness saying What have I done everyone turned to his course as the horse rusheth into the battle.
Jeremiah 8:5&6

What is one characteristic of backsliding.

Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances and have not kept them.Return unto Me and I will return unto you saith the Lord of host.But ye said Wherein shall we return. Malachi 3:7

Because of Christ's plain teachings what did some of His disciples do.

From that time many of His disciples went back and walked no more with him.John 6:66

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Can a Christian Lose Their Salvation? A Biblical Analysis
Once a Christian is saved, can they lose their salvation? What if a believer falls away from the faith, can they be restored again to God? Have you ever doubted your own salvation? Is once saved always saved true? Once a Christian is saved, can they be lost again? Is there such a thing as eternal security? Can a person’s name be erased from the Book of Life?
What Saves the Believer?

Some denominations and some Christians believe that once you are saved it is possible to lose their salvation. But what is salvation in the first place? We can believe what the Bible says above what people or churches say. Let’s review some of the scriptures that talk about salvation:
John 3:16:“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” A literal rendering of “shall” is actually “will” so this scripture, according to the Greek, ought to read “…that whoever believes in him will not perish but has [the present indicative means they already possess] eternal life.”
Acts 16:30-31:““Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied,“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.”
Acts 4:13:“Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
John 3:18:“Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”

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The overriding factor in our salvation is that we must believe that Jesus Christ is Who He says He is and is not tied in any way to what the believer does. We do not initiate our salvation nor do we do anything to achieve it. In fact no one really seeks after God (Rom 3:11) but it is God who seeks after us and calls us (Gal. 1:15-16). That He saves us to completion and to the uttermost is directly attributed to God. We are in no position to save ourselves. It is not about letting Jesus “come into your heart” or about thinking that “God has a wonderful plan for your life” but it is about believing in Jesus Christ. And whoever believes in Him walks in faith and accepts Him in faith. You are saved only by the grace of God and apart from yourself, it is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Ephesians 2:8-9 echo this,“For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.”
Jesus Plus Works Equals Nothing
If anyone believes that their works can save them remember that God calls even the best of good works filthy rags (Isaiah 64:6). Here is the one and only work that God accepts and that Jesus testified to,“…This is the work of God, that you believe on Him Whom He has sent”(John 6:29).“For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God”(Rom 10:3). Romans 4:6 clearly says that we are saved “without the deeds of the Law”(Rom 3:28), and it is “not of works”(Eph. 2:9)“It is the gift of God”(Eph. 2:8). No one is saved by works…we are saved for works. God would not give us the gift of grace only to take it again. Who gives someone a gift and then goes and takes it back?
God Saves Completely
John 6:37 and John10:28-29 both testify that once God calls you and saves you, He will not ever caste you away or you can never be snatched from Jesus’ hand or the Father’s hand. Philippians 1:6 says,“being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.” Further, I Corinthians 1:8 states,“He will keep you strong to the end, so that you will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.“ God does not call the qualified but He qualifies the called. Holiness is not the way to Jesus; Jesus is the way to holiness. Your own salvation is not all of your responsibility; it is your response to His ability.
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Drew H wrote:
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Hey Q, when do you think the book of Revelation was written?
Without looking, from memory probaly the late 1st or earliest 2nd century. Do you believe Revelation to be an acceptable part of the Holy Scriptures?
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THREE WORDS THAT PROVE
ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED
NOTE: This Bible study should only be read by those who know or who are willing to learn their English grammar and those who know how to use the Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary.
The three words that prove “once saved, always saved” as a valid doctrine are ALL, NEVER and IRREVOCABLE. The following definitions are taken out of the Webster’s Unabridged Dictionary:
as an adjective -
All - entire, complete
1. The whole number of...
2. The whole quantity of...
3. Every one of...
4. Any, any whatsoever
5. Every
6. The greatest possible
Bible Proof Verses:
“and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from ALL sin.” 1 John 1:7c
“He made you alive with Him, having forgiven us ALL our transgressions.” Colossians 2:13b, c
Greek Word Used in Bible for Above Verses:“pas”
Vine’s Greek Dictionary Definition of “pas”:
1. All, every, every kind or variety.
2. Highest degree, the maximum of what is referred to
3. Totality of the things being referred to (in plural)
COMMENT: Those who say that a person can “fall away”,“walk away”,“turn away”, or “backslide away” from the Lord, do not understand that the Lord has cancelled their sin debt completely. This includes ALL “fall aways”, ALL “walk aways”, ALL “turn aways” and ALL “backslide aways” from the Lord, since ALL these things are sins and therefore have ALL been paid for into the future until we die. To say that a person can “walk away” or “turn” from the Lord and thus lose salvation, assumes that Jesus forgot to pay for the “walk aways” and “turn aways”. He didn’t forget them, however. Those sins were also paid for at the cross and that’s why ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED. There is no way that we can lose our salvation.
http://www.gnbcbible.com/threewords.htm
You are right RA
those who are saved are cleaned by Jesus Blood much enough,that they are not able to fall apart or sin from Gods Grace of free gift and underserved kindness of God

there exist condition with great crowd second fold of TURE SHEPHERD,
But Jesus Grace is first and last,
and there is not need to argue man with man about who is save, or if save is alwasy save or not

PERFECTION OF GODS BLOOD KNOWS PERFECTLY WHOM TO SAVE AND BE ALWASY SAVE

SECOND EARTHLY MAN IS NOT ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE OF DENY JESUS PERFECT
CHOICE

I hope your health is improving,your post day after operation made me very happy
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For those who are interested, this is how I study the Bible. For those who are not interested, you are more than welcome to ignore.

I study the Bible through its dispensations or ages as it was given. First, there was eternity past, then came the age of Innocence which was from Adam to the fall in the garden of Eden. After Innocence was the age of Conscience in which all people could have the knowledge of God, but man continued to gravitate away from God in his attempt to be like God.

The age of Conscience ended with the Flood, thus beginning the age of Human Government, and this is still the system that is in place today, but God has continued revealing things up until today with more to come.

Even though human gov't is still operating today, God kept on revealing, and the age of Promise began when God called Abram (Abraham), and this age ended when God gave Moses the Law. So the age of Law continued until the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus at which time the transition to the age of Grace was fully put into effect. This took place in the book of Acts, which is a book of transition between Law and Grace, and Grace became universal when the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD. At this point in time, the law was interrupted, but there is coming a time when the law will be re-instituted during the Tribulation. However, I believe, as do many others, an event that is called the Rapture will take place before the Law comes back into effect (Daniel's 70-week prophecy - interrupted after 69 weeks of 7 years when the Temple was destroyed leaving one week or the 7 years of the Tribulation).

So after the Tribulation in which the Jews will finally come to the knowledge that Jesus is their Messiah, God will usher in the Kingdom, thus ending Human Government, as Jesus will rule and reign from His throne in Jerusalem on earth for 1000 years. Then the new Heaven and Earth will be created and remain forever into eternity future.

So when we study the Bible we need to know;
1. Who is speaking
2. The audience being spoken to
3. The message being conveyed to the audience in the proper context of the time without regard to what has yet to be revealed about the future.

Now while this may not work for you, it sure does make the scriptures a whole lot clearer for me. And throughout the time I have been a student of the Bible, I have found, through much prayer and study, many others who think and believe accordingly.

The Bible tells us to study and rightly divide the scriptures in ways that meet God's approval, which may or may not be pleasing to man. Moreover, the Bible tells us to be God-pleasers and not man-pleasers. It also tells us to put on the mind of Christ, or think like God, and the only way we can do that is to study the Word and listen to the Holy Spirit. I do believe the Bible says that He speaks in a still, small voice.

So, for whatever it's worth to whomever it is some worth, I'm willing to share.

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