Why Should Jesus Love Me?
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476334 Jan 13, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>What part of get out of here and don't come back do you not understand old rabbit-brained boy??
don't be so sure that you are saved and always saved

my words will chase you to the last minute of your earthly idiot life,and 1 minute before you die,you will know for sure,if you are or were SAVED AT ALL

only all sings of your wickedness,politics, bambling to yourselves,shows
that you got nothing to do with any GRACE FROM GOD???you are stupid fanatic of your liar preacher?
that is all,
cockraoch brain is larger from yours ,you idiotic prince of pees(peace)
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476335 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because you have shown it numerous times, the Greek definition,doesn't mean that it is RIGHT.
In our English , Believe means, that it is TRUE or genuine.
I BELIEVE that Satan exist, But I will not OBEY him.
We will WANT to Obey Christ and we will REPENT if we do sin.
you right
you believe that satan exist, but your faith without of work of obedience to the satan commandments is dead and you never follow satan as Gods adversary

but greek koine word believe have to be conected with work of faith- complete obedience
that way your faith is not dead,and you follow God accordingly,

Jesus said,
if you love me follow me and my comandments
also believe+obedience is to work and destroy all earthly and spiritual tempations-sins and have genuine obedience and belief following God
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#476336 Jan 13, 2013
God could not take away from us what He has freely GIVEN. Could not, Would not, Will not ever take away from US what He has GIVEN.

Privileges? rewards? maybe.

Mankind (parents) when we do something wrong can take away some privileges or rewards,and ground us, but (MOST,anyway) parents can NOT take away the LOVE they have for us or disown us .

God also has given us 'free will' and He will not take that away either.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476337 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
I can not believe you have made such a statement.'If all present and future sins are already forgiven us, wouldn't any expression of repentance prove LACK of faith in what our annointed Savior acomplished on the cross'
What kind of religion or FAITH do you have, anyway?
Sorry to have to tell you, but You really take the scriptures out of context.
Beleive , means the same, no matter how you use it in a sentence or discussion.
And here comes the attitude.

First, that wasn't a statement. It was a question, and it remains.

Scriptures make it clear that we'll be forgiven upon repentance, but not before. If we were forgiven of our sins even before we've committed them, then repentance would be unnecessary. Forgiveness has been granted us when our anointed Savior died for us, but unless we repent, we'll not be forgiven. Notice, if you will, that Peter preached, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." He, clearly, taught to repent for the remission of sins, not that sins have always and forever been forgiven.

Secondly, it makes no sense to accuse me of perverting scriptures if you're not going to provide evidence, too, to show me how I've done such a thing. How does it profit me, or anyone else for that matter, to accuse me of such things without exposing my error? As of now, your accusation remains unprofitable.

Lastly, my bible has differences of interpretation at the bottom of the page. In this, I'd appreciate it if you would examine Romans 11:30-31, Romans 15:31, Ephesians 5:6, and Hebrews 11:31. These are the verses I can remember, at the top of my head. Faith without works is dead, though, as written by James. Therefore, to believe that obedience has absolutely nothing to do with faith is preposterous. Obedience serves as evidence of faith while faith encourages obedience. Show my your faith without obedience and I'll show you my faith by my obedience.

Don't be angry, simplyput. I'm only trying to discuss this issue with you.

Until next time...

Shalowm.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#476338 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
God could not take away from us what He has freely GIVEN. Could not, Would not, Will not ever take away from US what He has GIVEN.
Privileges? rewards? maybe.
Mankind (parents) when we do something wrong can take away some privileges or rewards,and ground us, but (MOST,anyway) parents can NOT take away the LOVE they have for us or disown us .
God also has given us 'free will' and He will not take that away either.
why truly saved are mostly chastised very severly during this life,

because their transgressions bring all kind of punishement,suffering ,trouble and at end as TRULY SAVE ALWAYS SAVED RECIVE CRONE OF ETERNAL LIFE

from truly saved are always saved by Gods Grace Free Gift,and free will,

those who fail,and return to the viomits of this life, were not saved by Gods Grace at all,
only were'saved'by lies of pastors or churches gain this way own benefitis and LIE TO THEIR MEMBERS

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476339 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
... The One way we as humans can tell is by that person's works, how he continues to live, and shows signs of being a true Christian.....
By that, I know several non-christians who are Christians and many 'christians' who aren't.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476340 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
God could not take away from us what He has freely GIVEN. Could not, Would not, Will not ever take away from US what He has GIVEN.
Privileges? rewards? maybe.
Mankind (parents) when we do something wrong can take away some privileges or rewards,and ground us, but (MOST,anyway) parents can NOT take away the LOVE they have for us or disown us .
God also has given us 'free will' and He will not take that away either.
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

What is the gift again? The answer is above. Is it grace? Is grace the "free gift," or salvation?
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#476341 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>And here comes the attitude.
First, that wasn't a statement. It was a question, and it remains.
Scriptures make it clear that we'll be forgiven upon repentance, but not before. If we were forgiven of our sins even before we've committed them, then repentance would be unnecessary. Forgiveness has been granted us when our anointed Savior died for us, but unless we repent, we'll not be forgiven. Notice, if you will, that Peter preached, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." He, clearly, taught to repent for the remission of sins, not that sins have always and forever been forgiven.
Secondly, it makes no sense to accuse me of perverting scriptures if you're not going to provide evidence, too, to show me how I've done such a thing. How does it profit me, or anyone else for that matter, to accuse me of such things without exposing my error? As of now, your accusation remains unprofitable.
Lastly, my bible has differences of interpretation at the bottom of the page. In this, I'd appreciate it if you would examine Romans 11:30-31, Romans 15:31, Ephesians 5:6, and Hebrews 11:31. These are the verses I can remember, at the top of my head. Faith without works is dead, though, as written by James. Therefore, to believe that obedience has absolutely nothing to do with faith is preposterous. Obedience serves as evidence of faith while faith encourages obedience. Show my your faith without obedience and I'll show you my faith by my obedience.
Don't be angry, simplyput. I'm only trying to discuss this issue with you.
Until next time...
Shalowm.
Why would you think to ask such a question, as that statement in discussion? YOU were just cutting down this OSAS belief?

No attitude BLL, you made that statemnt just to cut down that WE say to REPENT, even though we believe in OSAS.

When we become Christians, we will show SIGNS of good works, this is how WE as in MANKIND , KNOW that we are true Christians.

BLL , God does not need outside appearances, He knows if we are truly His child.

No anger at all BLL, why did you think I was, because I didn't agree with you?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476342 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
...
That is what SATAN does, He lies to us and is a PRETENDER, a FAKE.
Satan is mentioned only once in the OT and once by Jesus.

Satan is a fictional character in the allegory of Job and an imaginary being (also metaphorical) in a desert vision of Jesus.

There is no Satan unless you believe that there are more than one supernatural beings (Gods).

Satan is a Hebrew metaphor for man's own self-destructive nature. You want to see 'Satan' all one needs to do is look in the mirror.... you will see the image of God there as well.

"For his people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'" Isaiah and Jesus

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476343 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>And I've shown, not a few times, that the term "believe," in the Greek texts, is interchangeable with the term "obey." So, to believe is to be obedient. But, certain of us ignored it, totally.
Have to agree that the history of Christianity since 325 AD has been to believe in Jesus and obey the Church.

The notion that "The Church" IS Jesus/God ("the body of Christ") IMHO is the epitome of blasphemy.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#476344 Jan 13, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Without looking, from memory probaly the late 1st or earliest 2nd century. Do you believe Revelation to be an acceptable part of the Holy Scriptures?
Yes I do. But in relation to the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD, do you believe it was written before or after?

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#476345 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
What is the gift again? The answer is above. Is it grace? Is grace the "free gift," or salvation?
<<<Rolls eyes and chuckles.

By "God's grace" we are given "the gift of salvation". The gift is salvation.

It doesn't say "by your gift of grace are ye saved".

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476346 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>
....
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him....
You think that only YOU and those that agree with you are guided by God's wisdom.

You think you are better than everyone... even Jesus!

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#476347 Jan 13, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
So true!!!
At times it appears that bll makes things up as he goes along. The following scripture fits him to a "T".
James 1:5-8.
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
_______
Says you. That's alright, though. You're entitled to your opinions, no matter how wrong they are. And if it were true, you've yet to prove that.
Red Apples wrote:
If you ask bll what he believes in and what he calls his belief he'll tell you that he's not a Christian or a Jew or anything else you've ever heard of. He'll tell you he's some belief/religion that he's made up and that he's named.
Completely bizarre to say the least.
I call my religion "Mashiyachiym." And as I've explained before, the term "Mashiyachiym" is the Hebrew equivalent to the Greek "Christianos" and our English "Christian." Am I wrong for preferring the Hebrew rendering before the Greek, or English? I don't like using the term "Christian," because in our day and age, the term is a general one. And the beliefs of the so-called "Christian" varies as much as the number of insects we have on our beautiful planet.

As to my beliefs, I've always declared what they are, coupled with scripture. I've never withheld one belief from anyone that's asked.

Where's Harold Camping's disciples when you need them, so we can be friends again, you and I?!
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#476348 Jan 13, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
Satan is mentioned only once in the OT and once by Jesus.
Satan is a fictional character in the allegory of Job and an imaginary being (also metaphorical) in a desert vision of Jesus.
There is no Satan unless you believe that there are more than one supernatural beings (Gods).
Satan is a Hebrew metaphor for man's own self-destructive nature. You want to see 'Satan' all one needs to do is look in the mirror.... you will see the image of God there as well.
"For his people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.'" Isaiah and Jesus
That might be the very thing Satan wants you to believe, that he doesn't exist. There is only ONE God (in my belief , anyway)

Satan WANTS to be GOD., so he will ACT like God, even go as far as trying to fool even the ELECT of God, some Angels even followed him.

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#476349 Jan 13, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hi.
No, but I would be if someone passed it this way.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#476350 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>I'd make an excellent movie critic considering that I've watched all movies.
The above statement is untrue. I haven't watched all movies. Regardless, my point is that the term "all" in my statement has as much to do with movies that haven't even been made yet as it does with sins that we haven't committed yet. It makes more sense to say that all our past sins have been forgiven us. To believe otherwise takes a great amount of interpretive acrobatics. To believe in such a doctrine would take a severe disregard of all verses that instruct us to repent of our present sins. If such a doctrine were true, no such instruction would exist, as all our present and future sins would be already forgiven us.
It IS and They ARE..The SIN we are commanded to repent of is our sin of dis-believe in Who Jesus IS and WHAT His finished work accomplished for us...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476351 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
God could not take away from us what He has freely GIVEN. Could not, Would not, Will not ever take away from US what He has GIVEN.....
"The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away."

Maybe you should read the Bible someday.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#476352 Jan 13, 2013
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
That might be the very thing Satan wants you to believe, that he doesn't exist. There is only ONE God (in my belief , anyway)
Satan WANTS to be GOD., so he will ACT like God, even go as far as trying to fool even the ELECT of God, some Angels even followed him.
You don;t know what a "god" is. In Christianity and Islam ther eare several Gods. Saod religions are just deluding themselves that they only believe in one.

A God by any name is still a God. Otherwise even the Romans and Greeks were monotheists because they only had one "God the Father", there other Gods were just like your Satan, demons, angels, saints, etc., all were simply 'lesser' Gods.

I don't care if you believe in one or thousands of gods, just don't claim to believe in one when you believe in at least two.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#476353 Jan 13, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Pardon me? Would you rather I not show the definition of the terms the authors of the Greek "New Testament" used when they wrote their gospels, letters, and epistles? Would it be "right" if it were someone else, then, like a well-known televangelist, or perhaps, your so-called "minister?"
<quoted text>And in our English, "conversation" is a discussion that takes place, hopefully, between two or more people. The Greek definition of our English term, though, means "behavior," or "how one acts and reacts." What a difference, right?
Try to remember that the original "New Testament" texts were written in Greek, for the most part. Therefore, the definition of our English texts must still be subject to the original intent and definitions.
<quoted text>Nothing in scripture even slightly suggests that we "believe" in the devil in the same context as we must "God."
<quoted text>Why repent, though, if all our present and future sins are already forgiven us? Wouldn't any expression of repentance prove a lack of faith in what our anointed Savior accomplished on the cross if he did, indeed, forgive us of all our present and future sins already? Would adultery, murder, or fornication, even be sin still if that were true?
Excuse me BLL...Apparently you have "repent" and "confess" confused. Look up the "Greek" word for Repent and REPENTANCE..If you really want to understand.

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