Why Should Jesus Love Me?

[Ashelah]

G_O_D wrote:

<quoted text>So where is this Heaven and Hell that we will need our bodies in ?

I hope they have food, water and air to breath or we'll all die again. I guess there will be heavenly animals there to feed us or will become cannibals ?

<face palm>

I think our bodies will be spiritual not actual.
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[lil whispers]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>I could almost see them being made and feel them beneath my hands as I wrote with a quill and ink :) Thanks for sharing ...(((*_*)

You are most welcome.I imagine quit abit of work went into the making of them.I am fasinated with the ancient world.Tis rich with history and ideas.God bless.

[Brother Lee Love]

G_O_D...

How are we, my friend?

I might not agree with all of your views, but I must admit, I do appreciate your skepticism. At times, I try to imagine what conclusion one might come to had they visited just this thread only, having been born and raised in another religion or philosophy, and never even hearing about anything regarding Christianity? What conclusion would they come to had they had opportunity to visit all the so-called "Christian" based threads in Topix?! What conclusion would they come to had they had opportunity to visit every so-called "Christian" based forum on the internet? "Christianity," as we know it, is a mess!

I've been quite busy lately, so my participation here has been quite limited. But, it's given me time to ponder many of the discussions I've either, witnessed, or participated in, during my time here. And I've come to quite the disturbing conclusion, myself.

One thing I've never, in my life, done, whether in actual, verbal discussion, or in posts, was claim to have the Holy Spirit.(NOTE: There are some, throughout my life, that have insisted I did.) But, I've come to believe that maybe, that's the problem. Because I've never made such a claim, my assertions have always been and continue to be easily dismissed as foolishness and error. It seems, to me, that people are more likely to believe those that make such claims while rejecting those that don't. I've found it extremely rare that one would even consider the assertions of another that's never made such claim, never mind examine the assertions, at all. Where are the Bereans when you need them?

Maybe, it's just me, but I have a difficult time accepting statements from people that frequently assure me as to how honest they are. I have an acquaintance that, during certain conversations, will ask me, "Do you want me to be honest with you?" I, of course, reply, "No. I'd rather you lied to me," then I give him "that" look. Then, there are those that, at certain times, want to "raise their hand to 'God'." Then, of course, there are those that start with, "Let me be honest with you," as if I wouldn't let them be honest with me! In the meantime, I've always wondered why anyone would have to assure me of their honesty and integrity if they weren't planning on lying to me to begin with?! Why would they even assume that I automatically believed they were going to lie to me, to have to assure me that they weren't?

I work with a Pentecostal minister who hails from Honduras. He's not very good at English, but with patience, I can understand the points he's trying to make, pretty good. He claims to have the Holy Spirit. He claims that "God" speaks with him. He claims that the Holy Spirit guides him when he preaches and teaches the bible, and that's his evidence that what he preaches and teaches is 100% accurate. Following are only a few debates him and I have had in the last few months...

1) The white race is the superior race, because Jesus Christ is of the white race and NOT actually from Judah and Israel. The Roman Catholic depiction was revealed to the Roman Catholic denomination so that none would any longer be deceived.

2) All denominations, except Pentecostal, are demon-inspired.

3) Spanish will be the official and only language spoken in Heaven.

4) Spanish-speakers descendant from Mexico, Central, and South America, have become the chosen people of "God," with the white race.

According to him, all the above mentioned has been revealed to him. There are others, but these are the ones we discuss the most.

Did I happen to mention that he claims to have the Holy Spirit?

Jose Luis Dejesus Miranda claims not only to have the Holy Spirit, but calls himself "Jesus Christ-Man," and teaches that he IS the second coming of our anointed Savior. Look him up and see how many followers he has!!!

Maybe, that's the problem. Maybe, I should start making the same claim. Maybe, then, people might listen.

Maybe.

Until next time, my friend.

[Brother Lee Love]

Juicylu wrote:

I think our bodies will be spiritual not actual.
<3

Greetings, salutations, and shalowm, JuicyLu.

When reading the bible, keep in mind this one point. "God's" overall intention is to re-establish what Adam lost.

Adam was made flesh and blood, and was made to live forever. Adam sinned, therefore he died. And as we all know, we all die now. And of course, all that's going to change.

When the kingdom is established, only those with what's called a "heavenly calling" will remain spirit-beings and live as the angels do; as spirit-beings in the spirit-realm. They're called the "elect," and membership is limited. All others, though, will return to inherit this earth as incorruptible flesh and blood, just as it was originally intended. Either way, all will live forever.

Until next time...

Shalowm.

[Ashelah]

Brother Lee Love wrote:

<quoted text>Greetings, salutations, and shalowm, JuicyLu.

When reading the bible, keep in mind this one point. "God's" overall intention is to re-establish what Adam lost.

Adam was made flesh and blood, and was made to live forever. Adam sinned, therefore he died. And as we all know, we all die now. And of course, all that's going to change.

When the kingdom is established, only those with what's called a "heavenly calling" will remain spirit-beings and live as the angels do; as spirit-beings in the spirit-realm. They're called the "elect," and membership is limited. All others, though, will return to inherit this earth as incorruptible flesh and blood, just as it was originally intended. Either way, all will live forever.

Until next time...

Shalowm.

Oh ok. Thank you :)
Shalom <3

[G_O_D]

Juicylu wrote:

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I think our bodies will be spiritual not actual.
<3

That makes a lot more sense, but why any bodies at all ?

[G_O_D]

Interesting thoughts, thanks.

As soon as anyone says they "know" anything about God my suspicions are aroused. If they claim to be channeling God in someway then I suggest Haldol.

Brother Lee Love wrote:

...One thing I've never, in my life, done, whether in actual, verbal discussion, or in posts, was claim to have the Holy Spirit....

[Ashelah]

G_O_D wrote:

<quoted text>That makes a lot more sense, but why any bodies at all ?

I think BLL explained it a lot better than I could.
<3

[Brother Lee Love]

G_O_D wrote:

Interesting thoughts, thanks.
As soon as anyone says they "know" anything about God my suspicions are aroused. If they claim to be channeling God in someway then I suggest Haldol.

I'm sure you understand my contention.

I believe one of the best questions asked toward those that claim to have the Holy Spirit is: Why so many different denominations and beliefs, then, especially among those believers that claim to have the Holy Spirit?

I've witnessed many a Roman Catholic proudly professes that not all Catholics share the same beliefs, even to the point of rejecting the beliefs and teachings of the so-called "successor of Peter" and "Vicar of Christ," himself! But, how can this be?!

I've heard some say that such contention exists, among and within all denominations, only because the learning process is gradual. But, how can this be? Will, or does, the Holy Spirit lead some directly to harmony and truth while leading others to, or allowing others to be deceived by, contradictions and lies? Is this a righteous, gradual learning process? Will we equate the worship of our Godhead and love toward all to that of our most basic, secular, educational curriculum? How can this be?

During my studies, I've always tried to search out the harmony of all verses, with one another and as a whole. I know I'm not the only one, but that's beside the point. If two, or more, seemed to contradict, I found it best to perform a test that's, until this day, never failed me. I would, first, write both verses, side by side, on a piece of paper. Then, I would examine both verses to determine how both can exist without contradicting the other and without any type of acrobatic reasoning. I've noticed, every time, that the contradiction only existed because people decided to compromise, or wholly ignore, the interpretation of one verse and not the other. And the verse that was compromised, or ignored, was the verse that didn't quite submit to the current, so-called "acceptable" belief. Case in point...

We all know one of the most famous verses in the bible; John 3:16. This says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." But, then, on the other hand, we have verses such as Matthew 15:24, Acts 5:31, and Matthew 1:21...

"But he answered and said, I am not sent BUT UNTO the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL."

"Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance TO ISRAEL, and forgiveness of sins."

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins."

Now, make no mistake. I'll not even suggest that salvation is only offered to Israel. What I do suggest, though, is that John 3:16 is being misinterpreted and, therefore, causing contradiction between the four verses mentioned. But, if we understand the term "world" in John 3:16 by applying what's written at Isaiah 45:17, I believe the truth becomes evident.

"But ISRAEL shall be saved in YHWH with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded WORLD without end."

Then, Amos 3:1-2 brings it all home...

"Hear this word that YHWH hath spoken against you, O children of ISRAEL, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You ONLY have I known of ALL the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."

Now, John 3:16 remains harmonious with the rest, don't you think?

Again...thank you for your time and consideration.

Until next time...

[Epiphany2]

M_O_R_N_I_N_G

God has no religion.”

~ Mahatma Gandhi


Thought For The Day

[Epiphany2]

Today's Prayer

Dear God,
You are in control, even when life seems so out of control. Please help me to keep my focus on you and your will. I want to trust in you even in the midst of circumstances I don't understand. Keep me honest and humble. I pray you will provide my needs and provide the ability for me to help those who are so spiritually, and physically, needy...in my family, my community, and around the world. Guide me to work together with my brothers and sisters in Christ to accomplish great things for you.

Prime Time with God

[Epiphany2]

Encouraging Words....

Plans go wrong for lack of advice; many advisers bring success.

Proverbs 15:22

K-Love

[Epiphany2]

Serah wrote:

<quoted text>It is my opinion that most posters admire you Epi, regardless of which side of the fence they are on!! I often use Scriptures to support what I am saying, but agree that there is no need to argue Scriptures, just find one that suits your purpose and need at the time :) By the way, I am one of your biggest admirers (((*_*)))

Thank you friend....Brag on GOD and his Power to Transform....

[Epiphany2]

Juicylu wrote:

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Me too! Epi be awesome! I'm in a very silly mood today.
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:-).....Thanks JL.....God Bless Friend

[Epiphany2]

Juicylu wrote:

I went to church today!!! I didn't freak out! Yay! Praise Jesus!
<3

Yes...Praise Jesus!!

:-)

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[LAWEST100]

Epiphany2 wrote:

Today's Prayer
Dear God,
You are in control, even when life seems so out of control. Please help me to keep my focus on you and your will. I want to trust in you even in the midst of circumstances I don't understand. Keep me honest and humble. I pray you will provide my needs and provide the ability for me to help those who are so spiritually, and physically, needy...in my family, my community, and around the world. Guide me to work together with my brothers and sisters in Christ to accomplish great things for you.
Prime Time with God

Amen.

[Epiphany2]

Have a Blesed day today....God Be with you

[LAWEST100]

Qu_innocence wrote:

<quoted text>Good Bro... I had a long good workout at the gym today as the wife took the kids to a place called Dave & Buster's. Wanted to go but I needed some me-time for a change...lol ---> "Me-time"...

I can fully appreciate that bro, between work and taking care of some business it was a bitter/sweet day, but God is good.
Blessings.

[Doctor REALITY]

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