“Quo Vadis”

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#475578 Jan 10, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I completely agree God will provide guidance and strength when asked sincerely and also works thru others. As to ur post on prayer u made some good points, especially about while God is one of love that doesnt mean there are things to be taken lightly either. People who disrespect him will stand before him one day and be held accountable imo. The only thing we may differ on is God hearing our prayers. Perhaps praying to a diff god is an example where he wouldnt listen and if thats what u r saying I agree but i think anyone at anytime even if they know nothing about God or who He is can earnestly pray out to God and he will listen and reveal Himself. Seek and ye shall find works imo even if we dont know exactly who we are seeking (T) PEACE
Excellent point Steve. The only thing I will say about that is that He does hear ones prayer especially when they are ignorant to a lot of things when they say "God" and "Lord". I just don't believe He will still continue to answer those prayers when one knows the truth (as in a name) and refuses to honor the truth and pray to Him directly. However, your point is also very well understood.

Shalom & love,

Andrew (CS).
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#475579 Jan 10, 2013
Experiencing Goa Day By Day:

When God Speaks, It Is So
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So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.(Isaiah 55:11)
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When God speaks, nothing remains the same. At the beginning of time, God spoke, and a universe was created out of nothing. God followed a pattern when He created the earth: He spoke; it was so; it was good (Gen. 1:3–4). This pattern continued throughout the Bible. Whenever God revealed His plans, things happened just as He said, and God considered the result “good”(Phil. 2:13). God doesn’t make suggestions. He speaks with the full determination to see that what He has said will come to fruition.
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Whenever Jesus spoke, what He said came to pass. Lepers found that a word from Jesus meant healing (Luke 5:13; 17:14). The blind man discovered that a word from Jesus meant sight (Luke 18:42). Through a barren fig tree the disciples saw that a curse from Jesus meant destruction (Mark 11:20). The sinner experienced forgiveness through a word from Jesus (John 8:11). How many attempts did it take Jesus to raise Lazarus from the dead? Only one (John 11:43). There was never a time that Jesus spoke that what He said did not happen.
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What happens when Jesus speaks to you? Have you been reading the words of Jesus in your Bible without experiencing His word that transforms everything around you? Jesus condemned the Pharisees because they assumed that knowledge of the written Scriptures would give them life. They were satisfied with having the words instead of experiencing the person who spoke the words (John 5:39). How powerful a word from God is to your life! As you read your Bible and pray, listen to what God has to say to you about His will for your life.

“Quo Vadis”

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#475580 Jan 10, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
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Hi CS..I disagree. Jesus may be an English translation but WE speak English here. When I went to Israel, They too called Our Lord "Jesus" whenever they were speaking to us who spoke English..Jesus went by many names. Wonderful, Counselor, Prince of Peace, Savior, Yahweh, Immanuel,ect..ect..Do you worship a different God than the GOD in the bible? Just curious because you lost my interest with all this different name thing. Some people cant speak at all but they cry out to Him from their heart. Maybe different languages call Him different names but there is Only ONE God in 3 persons..Father, Son and Holy Spirit..
The book of Hebrews actually uses this very issue to make a point of the fact that in coming from the tribe of Judah our Lord's new high-priesthood signals a change from the Old to the New Covenant, since of course in accordance with the Mosaic Law all prior priests came from the tribe of Levi (see especially Heb. chap. 7-8). One important reason in the selection of the tribe of Judah for our Lord's genealogy is the membership of David in that tribe. Jesus, of course, is David's greater Son, and in the mentions of our Lord's lineage it is usually His descent from David that is the point which is emphasized rather His tribal affiliation per se (e.g., Matt.1:1; 9:27; 22:42; Lk.1:32; 1:69; Rom.1:3; 2Tim.2:8; Rev.22:16; cf. also Rev.5:5 where "from the tribe of Judah" is immediately reinforced by "[from] the root of David"). For Jesus is the "Son of David", the One who fulfills the covenant to that great believer wherein he was promised a Son who would reign forever, the Branch who would spring from his root, namely, the Messiah (cf. 2Sam.7:12-16; Is.9:6-7; Jer.23:5-6). Grace to you CS
Ok. Your first sentence is the basis of your entire post. Dr. Shrink says Daniel is a name commonly used in the western world,but it is not an English name,not is Nehemiah, Obadiah, Ezekiel or Samuel. These names were not translated. It is funny how respect goes, because Barack Obama is Barack Obama world over,so is Benjamin Franklin, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Lionel Messi, Usain Bolt and even harry Potter for that matter. So again I ask; was it necessary for you or anyone to translate His name? I don't speak Spanish but Hernan Cortez is still Hernan Cortez to me, and I don't speak German/Austrian but Adolf Hitler is still Adolf Hitler. Nebuchadnezzar is a Babylonian name, but we still call him that name so with all due respect Ms. Walker, I don't see your point. Somehow they get that respect and their names live in infamy. It isn't like Yashua's (some say Yeshua) name is even half as difficult on the tongue as Belshazzar.

Tutankhamun/Tutankhamen is still known by that name world over. Why translate the Savior's name? We being English speakers is not authorization to do so nor was it necessary, nor does it make it right. When you see it is a matter of respect, then you will understand. A person's name is what identifies them from everyone else. Some of us have common names, like Andrew,but even though my name is common,it is still my name, not Andreas or Andre. You probably wouldn't answer someone if they called you Gabe Wilkins now would you? I wouldn't, that's not respectful. The Savor was given His name by the Malak (Angel) Gabriel, who are we to change or translate it? His name Means Yahweh Saves, changing it changes the meaning, worse, when they started saying Jesu in the Tyndale bible it had no "S".the letter "S" at the end of a name masculinizes a word so we eventually have Jesus. With all due respect Ms Walker, I don't pray to Zeus....neither should you.

Hope I didn't offend you. If I did, I offer my sincerest apologies. My aim is not to offend, but I recognize that the truth may well be no respecter of anyone.

Shalom and Love,

Andrew (CS).

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#475581 Jan 10, 2013
For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death, which is eternal separation from God (Luke 12:5; Hebrews 10:31). For the believer, the fear of God is something much different. The believer's fear is reverence of God. Hebrews 12:28-29 is a good description of this:“Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, for our ’God is a consuming fire.’” This reverence and awe is exactly what the fear of God means for Christians. This is the motivating factor for us to surrender to the Creator of the Universe.

Believers are not to be scared of God. We have no reason to be scared of Him. We have His promise that nothing can separate us from His love (Romans 8:38-39). We have His promise that He will never leave us or forsake us (Hebrews 13:5). Fearing God means having such a reverence for Him that it has a great impact on the way we live our lives. The fear of God is respecting Him, obeying Him, submitting to His discipline, and worshipping Him in awe.

Recommended Resource: Knowing God by J.I. Packer.

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#475582 Jan 10, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi CS..I disagree. Jesus may be an English translation but WE speak English here. When I went to Israel, They too called Our Lord "Jesus" whenever they were speaking to us who spoke English..Jesus went by many names. <<< space >>>>Some people cant speak at all but they cry out to Him from their heart. Maybe different languages call Him different names but there is Only ONE God in 3 persons..Father, Son and Holy Spirit..
The book of Hebrews actually uses this very issue to make a point of the fact that in coming from the tribe of Judah our Lord's new high-priesthood signals a change from the Old to the New Covenant, since of course in accordance with the Mosaic Law all prior priests came from the tribe of Levi (see especially Heb. chap. 7-8). One important reason in the selection of the tribe of Judah for our Lord's genealogy is the membership of David in that tribe. Jesus, of course, is David's greater Son, and in the mentions of our Lord's lineage it is usually His descent from David that is the point which is emphasized rather His tribal affiliation per se (e.g., Matt.1:1; 9:27; 22:42; Lk.1:32; 1:69; Rom.1:3; 2Tim.2:8; Rev.22:16; cf. also Rev.5:5 where "from the tribe of Judah" is immediately reinforced by "[from] the root of David"). For Jesus is the "Son of David", the One who fulfills the covenant to that great believer wherein he was promised a Son who would reign forever, the Branch who would spring from his root, namely, the Messiah (cf. 2Sam.7:12-16; Is.9:6-7; Jer.23:5-6). Grace to you CS
Ok. Your first sentence is the basis of your entire post. Dr. Shrink says Daniel is a name commonly used in the western world,but it is not an English name,not is Nehemiah, Obadiah, Ezekiel or Samuel. These names were not translated. It is funny how respect goes, because Barack Obama is Barack Obama world over,so is Benjamin Franklin, Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Lionel Messi, Usain Bolt and even harry Potter for that matter. So again I ask; was it necessary for you or anyone to translate His name? I don't speak Spanish but Hernan Cortez is still Hernan Cortez to me, and I don't speak German/Austrian but Adolf Hitler is still Adolf Hitler. Nebuchadnezzar is a Babylonian name, but we still call him that name so with all due respect Ms. Walker, I don't see your point. Somehow they get that respect and their names live in infamy. It isn't like Yashua's (some say Yeshua) name is even half as difficult on the tongue as Belshazzar.

Tutankhamun/Tutankhamen is still known by that name world over. Why translate the Savior's name? We being English speakers is not authorization to do so nor was it necessary, nor does it make it right. When you see it is a matter of respect, then you will understand. A person's name is what identifies them from everyone else. Some of us have common names, like Andrew,but even though my name is common,it is still my name, not Andreas or Andre. You probably wouldn't answer someone if they called you Gabe Wilkins now would you? I wouldn't, that's not respectful. The Savor was given His name by the Malak (Angel) Gabriel, who are we to change or translate it? His name Means Yahweh Saves, changing it changes the meaning, worse, when they started saying Jesu in the Tyndale bible it had no "S".the letter "S" at the end of a name masculinizes a word so we eventually have Jesus. With all due respect Ms Walker, I don't pray to Zeus....neither should you.

Remember, not all Israel are Israel. These are Israelis and not Israelites and may or may not be related to the ancient people of Yisra'el. Most of them who are Russian and Polish immigrants don't believe Ha-Mashiach came, they still wait for Him.

Hope I didn't offend you. If I did, I offer my sincerest apologies. My aim is not to offend, but I recognize that the truth may well be no respecter of anyone.

Shalom and Love,

Andrew (CS).

“Quo Vadis”

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#475583 Jan 10, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
Edit Grace...responding here for space on your post to Andrew about Jesus. It is true Jesus went by many times but Jesus was not one of them. So I don't see any way Andrew can be wrong for believing we should address The Son as Yeshua as that was indeed His name. And while most are not capable and/or likely, myself included, to learn Hebrew it certainly would not be difficult for us to address Jesus properly. I think he makes a valid point that it is more respectful to do so since we should call people by their correct name. And it isnt just the translation, there is ample evidence to suggest it was translated to Jesus incorrectly. With that said I cant imagine God making too much of an issue over it as God judges the heart and I just dont see him holding it against people, especially those that dont know. But do a search for "how Yeshua became Jesus". Just going to commentaries is only going to give one side. I think when you see the possible and likely mistranslation u may see where he is coming from. jmo
Thank you Steve and well said.

:)

Andrew (CS).

“Quo Vadis”

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#475584 Jan 10, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds much like the Tao Te Ching.."If there are gods, even they flowed from Tao."
Tao is not a 'deity', if there are 'deities' they are less than Tao.
Your few words in intellect speaks volumes. Well said.

:)

Andrew (CS).

“Quo Vadis”

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#475585 Jan 10, 2013
Seraphine wrote:
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Bonsoir mon ami, thank you for the correction I am not a practioner of Juadaism and I must confess my historical knowledge of the subject is limited somewhat Sora my soulmate is more proficient at this subject than I ever will or could be. I am willing to admit I do not know everything nor do I wish to, what I do enjoy is learning from other people and correcting my errors whatever they may be so thank you for this. If you could share more in regards to what you do know of Judaism I would appreciate it very much. I am a female by the way and please call me Seraphine. Shalom!
Thanks Seraphine. Nice to meet you by the way. I'm going to get ready for work read soon. Follow the conversations and join in when ready, or if you ask specific questions, there are also others in this thread who are more than capable of answering. I will be there to help answer too. I'm sure you also have a lot you can teach me too. I look forward to it.

Shalom and Love,

Andrew (CS).

“Quo Vadis”

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#475586 Jan 10, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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I couldn't agree more.
Brag on God!
Uh...ok.

LOL

:)

Andrew (CS).

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475587 Jan 10, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
For the unbeliever, the fear of God is the fear of the judgment of God and eternal death,....
For the nonbeliever, there is no deity to be afraid of at all.

Thus, the Paul is proven to be wrong.

“Saved. ”

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#475588 Jan 10, 2013
Good Morning Everyone, Praise The Lord Jesus... The Son of God. Who reigns forever and ever.

:)

“Quo Vadis”

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#475589 Jan 10, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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A good book on the subject, but pricey is available here:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/190480...
An interlinear version of the Masoretic and Samarian texts are here:
https://sites.google.com/site/interlinearpent...
I'm going to send this to my work email so I can read it when I'm not busy. thanks for the links Duane.

Hope you're having a great morning.

Andrew (CS).

“Saved. ”

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#475590 Jan 10, 2013
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Hallowed - Holy



"One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When He finished, one of His disciples said to Him,

Disciple:“Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples.”

He said to them,

Jesus:“When you pray, say:‘Father...

HALLOWED be Your Name...(Lk 11:1-4)

“The who whating how...”

Since: Dec 12

"...with huh?"

#475591 Jan 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Good Morning Everyone, Praise The Lord Jesus... The Son of God. Who reigns forever and ever.

:)
Amen <3

“Saved. ”

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#475592 Jan 10, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Amen <3
...and just to clarify, The Son of the LIVING God. Amen.

“Saved. ”

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#475593 Jan 10, 2013
Was the story of Jesus stolen from that of the Greek deity Adonis?

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/adonis01.htm...

"This is too little, too late to influence the story of Jesus."

“Saved. ”

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#475594 Jan 10, 2013
Can't I say Amen? Isn't that a pagan deity?

"Some argue that the word "Amen" (first used in Numbers 5:22, and thereafter a lot in Deuteronomy, and on up into the NT)

...was somehow derived from the Egyptian god Amun-Re, with the implication that in using the word we are thanking a pagan god.

...HERE'S A CORRECTIVE for that idea from Marvin Wilson's Our Father Abraham:

The word "amen" is part of a family of Hebrew words STEMMING FROM the verb aman,(WHICH MEANS)---> TO BELIEVE OR TRUST.(Gen. 15:6, "And he believed (aman) in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.")

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http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...

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OTHER RELATED WORDS ARE "emunah",---> "faithfulness" or "steadfastness" and emet ---> or "truth."

http://www.tektonics.org/TK-A.html

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It's okay to say Amen folks. AAAAYYYYYYYY-men.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#475595 Jan 10, 2013
A little article for those who may be interested or have the time in reading:

Yahweh (YHVH or YHWH) Is A Pagan Name

"Originally, these four consonants [in YHWH] represented the four members of the Heavenly Family: Y represented El the Father; H was Asherah the Mother; W corresponded to He the Son; and H was the Daughter Anath..."

http://www.jesus-messiah.com/studies/yahweh-f...

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Btw, Is there a 'w'(wuh) sound in Hebrew?

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#475596 Jan 10, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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For the nonbeliever, there is no deity to be afraid of at all.
Thus, the Paul is proven to be wrong.
Yes, There is!! Just because they dont believe doesn't exclude the fact that He exist. They will stand before Him one day too. Good day to you.

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#475597 Jan 10, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
Can't I say Amen? Isn't that a pagan deity?
"Some argue that the word "Amen" (first used in Numbers 5:22, and thereafter a lot in Deuteronomy, and on up into the NT)
...was somehow derived from the Egyptian god Amun-Re, with the implication that in using the word we are thanking a pagan god.
...HERE'S A CORRECTIVE for that idea from Marvin Wilson's Our Father Abraham:
The word "amen" is part of a family of Hebrew words STEMMING FROM the verb aman,(WHICH MEANS)---> TO BELIEVE OR TRUST.(Gen. 15:6, "And he believed (aman) in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.")
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http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/l...
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OTHER RELATED WORDS ARE "emunah",---> "faithfulness" or "steadfastness" and emet ---> or "truth."
http://www.tektonics.org/TK-A.html
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It's okay to say Amen folks. AAAAYYYYYYYY-men.
AAAYYYYYYYYYY-men Quin

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