Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#475300 Jan 8, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
Good morning everyone.
Yo ...

hu

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#475301 Jan 8, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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Good Morning to you :D (evening for me)
How are you today LW? I'm a bit out of sorts myself, from arguing on topix mostly, I'm not accustomed to forums or this level of hatred and nastiness, I was nasty once, but no more. I found some Bible verses that seemed to say that it's ok for me to defend my self, Jesus, God and my faith. Some also seemed to say that it's ok for a righteous man (or woman?) to speak up against lies and evil. What are your thought on this please? I argue a fair bit but am careful to be calm, rational, honest, myself and I don't cuss or yell etc....
Peace <3
Hey there JLU, I'm doing fine, bare in mind thst the Word lets us know that it's okay to be angry so long as we don't sin, but must we not also become self exalted as well and must remain humble, I see where you have been posting on the abortion thread and that is DEFINITELY a place to try your patience. Just remain strong my friend and you'll come out on top.

Blessings.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#475302 Jan 8, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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Everything is good in my life.
With God's blessing tis gonna be
a good year 2013.Hope you had
Happy Holidays.God Bless.
Amen~ With His blessings- those of us who recognize each and every blessing- will have peace and joy to see us through the rough spots.
I am glad you are well .
Good holiday here~ my tree is still up, due to my oldest female cat reeeeally liking it here (c:

Since: Sep 12

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#475303 Jan 8, 2013
Good morning to my brothers n sisters..
I hope everybody has a wonderful day. I am waiting to board my flight home. I miss my 4legged furry babies and my macaw. Disney was great..I will miss Floridia.. talk to guys soon..

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#475304 Jan 8, 2013
Grace Walker wrote:
Good morning to my brothers n sisters..
I hope everybody has a wonderful day. I am waiting to board my flight home. I miss my 4legged furry babies and my macaw. Disney was great..I will miss Floridia.. talk to guys soon..
Glad you liked it...I love the pics you shared on FB

Have a safe trip....God Bless

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

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#475305 Jan 8, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Let me add, the teachings of Yeshua are not easy to live by. He wanted us to be perfect as the Father is perfect. If you had to get new followers and especially if you don't go into detail about what IN CHRIST means, tell me what verses you would use?
1)Hebrews 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left
>>>snipped for space :) <<<<
If someone's main goal was to spread Christianity, what would be the best way to do it? What would be the best thing to focus on? But that doesn't make the rest of the verses disappear. And either we believe the teachings of Yeshua apply to us today or we have other thoughts on how they do. To me they unquestionably still do and can still be harmonized with Paul's in the few places where Paul goes into those areas.
(T) Peace
Firstly, I'm not making this an issue with Paul. I eventually found it quite amazing how much of a scapegoat. Because he was so radical and at first the perfect villain and a Roman citizen who is said to be responsible for the death of Stephen, he was the perfect choice to be an anti-hero and a person who would go about things his own way separate and apart from the other Apostles. The people of The Way of [Life] better know as The Qahal as a bible dictionary would explain that a Qahal is either a Called Out Group (as in come out of her my people) or an assembly or gathering of "The" [faith]. So Secondly: They made it sound like Paul went hop-scotching all over the Greco-Roman world setting up Churches as opposed to Bait Yahweh [Not synagogues]. This is the justification the Roman Catholics wanted from scripture but then called Simon Peter the first Pope, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually was Simon Magnus the sorcerer. And finally: That makes my main goal not to spread Christianity.

Finally; As the below passage also explains in the very same Hebrews 10, that even after we were illuminated (or came into knowledge of the truth) we struggled and suffered. So hebrews 10:26 says if we >Deliberately< keep on sinning (so continuously) then there basically would be no pardon left.

Hebrews 10:32-33 (NKJV)

32 But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34 for you had compassion on me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.
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Shalom & Love,

Andrew (CS).
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475306 Jan 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I understand that many people believe in Paul. I don't. The belief in Paul and the Bible have nothing to do with Jesus. You all seem to have put the cart before the horse.
IMHO Chrisitanity makes God and Jesus out to pathetic babbling morons that need Paul and Preists to explain them.
Bible is written for readers able to read Bible,and learn basic spiritual logics inside of human chosen brain-(IT DOESN'T MEAN SOMEONE WHO STUDY BIBLE-AT SAME TIME BELIEVE BIBLE,MAIN PURPOSE OF WRITTING IS SALAVTION AND GOD WITH HIS SON )
if you read philosophy of Tsue? do you believe Tsue? or you have desire to know his writtings?
IT IS SAME WITH BIBLE AND WRITTERS LIKE PAUL
you deny Paul writtings,but you don't deny writers of other fables and you post them,showing that you believe in them? because you read and post their thoughts?
there is something missing in you sir?
READ BIBLE AND ALL LETTERS OF NT IS TO LEARN BASICS OF GODS SALVATION AND HIS BASIC MORAL LAWS,
NOT TO WORSHIP PAUL OR JOHN OR BOOK OF 66 books library of God-
AS WORSHIP THEM?
where from you know Jesus Christ as your atonment?
moon didn't reveal you this, only researching and studies about His ancient activity?
not believing faken christianity doesn't disqualify you from TRUE BELIEF IN JESUS DESCRIBED IN BIBLE AND APOSTLES NT LETTERS
Have good day my old friend
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475308 Jan 8, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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You told of your shoes.What does the heart wear????
answer to 2 nd question.
Ezek 36;24-28
John 1;13. 3;3-8.2 Cor 7;1.Rev 14;5
1000% for real

my shoes protect my feet and whole body from falling apart,and join those insects(look like human) rambling in the mud,s...and weeds of this earth
each insect jumping on my shoes,get horible kick out from my shoes,and my life

God bless you lill

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475309 Jan 8, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>....,but you don't deny writers of other fables and you post them,showing that you believe in them?...
I don't believe anythign written is the "word of God".

Is God so lazy that he can't write His own stuf ? He needs pathetic humans to do it ?

Such a deity I have no need of nor respect for. The God I believe in is better than that.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#475310 Jan 8, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
<quoted text>
Bible is written for readers able to read Bible,and learn basic spiritual logics inside of human chosen brain-(IT DOESN'T MEAN SOMEONE WHO STUDY BIBLE-AT SAME TIME BELIEVE BIBLE,MAIN PURPOSE OF WRITTING IS SALAVTION AND GOD WITH HIS SON )
if you read philosophy of Tsue? do you believe Tsue? or you have desire to know his writtings?
IT IS SAME WITH BIBLE AND WRITTERS LIKE PAUL
you deny Paul writtings,but you don't deny writers of other fables and you post them,showing that you believe in them? because you read and post their thoughts?
there is something missing in you sir?
READ BIBLE AND ALL LETTERS OF NT IS TO LEARN BASICS OF GODS SALVATION AND HIS BASIC MORAL LAWS,
NOT TO WORSHIP PAUL OR JOHN OR BOOK OF 66 books library of God-
AS WORSHIP THEM?
where from you know Jesus Christ as your atonment?
moon didn't reveal you this, only researching and studies about His ancient activity?
not believing faken christianity doesn't disqualify you from TRUE BELIEF IN JESUS DESCRIBED IN BIBLE AND APOSTLES NT LETTERS
Have good day my old friend
Hi Doc :)(
<3

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#475311 Jan 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't believe anythign written is the "word of God".
Is God so lazy that he can't write His own stuf ? He needs pathetic humans to do it ?
Such a deity I have no need of nor respect for. The God I believe in is better than that.
Oh. Dear.
<3

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#475314 Jan 8, 2013
Counter_Strike wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly, I'm not making this an issue with Paul. I eventually found it quite amazing how much of a scapegoat. Because he was so radical and at first the perfect villain and a Roman citizen who is said to be responsible for the death of Stephen, he was the perfect choice to be an anti-hero and a person who would go about things his own way separate and apart from the other Apostles. The people of The Way of [Life] better know as The Qahal as a bible dictionary would explain that a Qahal is either a Called Out Group (as in come out of her my people) or an assembly or gathering of "The" [faith]. So Secondly: They made it sound like Paul went hop-scotching all over the Greco-Roman world setting up Churches as opposed to Bait Yahweh [Not synagogues]. This is the justification the Roman Catholics wanted from scripture but then called Simon Peter the first Pope, I wouldn't be surprised if it actually was Simon Magnus the sorcerer. And finally: That makes my main goal not to spread Christianity.
Finally; As the below passage also explains in the very same Hebrews 10, that even after we were illuminated (or came into knowledge of the truth) we struggled and suffered. So hebrews 10:26 says if we >Deliberately< keep on sinning (so continuously) then there basically would be no pardon left.
Hebrews 10:32-33 (NKJV)
32 But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34 for you had compassion on me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.
********
Shalom & Love,
Andrew (CS).
I am going to try to make this short because this issue causes too much division but I know you and I are not talking OSAS but just simply more about Paul but it still involves some of the same verses.

Let me just say I think people focus too much on the word "deliberate" when it says those who deliberately keep on sinning. Or at least focus on it the wrong way. It is not saying deliberate sin versus non-deliberate sin IMO. All sin is deliberate. We don't accidentally sin or sin without knowing as we know what sin is and are quite aware of the fact we sinned when we have. I believe the focus is on "keep on sinning". If we do that deliberately, then there is a problem. And one of the ways we do that IMHO is to think it doesn't matter if we do or to think it is only normal that we will still sin AND we make no efforts to curb it. A good example might be adultery. If someone says, yeah I know better but I like cheating on my wife. So every day I am going to have sex with my mistress but it doesn't matter because I'm covered. IMO that is not what the sacrifice was for, to allow someone to do that.

Can I ask what some of the outside sources you have read to lead you to conclude Paul was scapegoated or some of the other things you have mentioned? I personally don't read many myself just because the ones i have found, a lot of them anyway, it seems to be a lot of speculation. But some use some very good sources and provide some pretty sustainable arguments. If you feel there is anything I should check out I wouldn't mind reading it

(T) Peace

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#475315 Jan 8, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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I don't know Steve...why does any of it really matter. I have asked myself that for the last couple of weeks. I finally have my answer I think...
Here are some examples about why the doctrine of "once saved always saved" (IMO) has destroyed Christianity.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSHQAVD...
There is more by this Christian but I think that you will get my point.
I am not sure that I do but I do not believe any God exists that pardons this type of behavior.
I have taken a long hard look at the faith that I tried to hold on to. It is time to let it go.
Hi Annie. How are you?

:)

Andrew (CS).

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#475316 Jan 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I don't believe anythign written is the "word of God".
Is God so lazy that he can't write His own stuf ? He needs pathetic humans to do it ?
Such a deity I have no need of nor respect for. The God I believe in is better than that.
This is not meant as an argument my friend as you and I rarely travel down that road. But I do feel a need to question your last statement. Has your god written his own stuff for you to conclude he is better than that? Couldn't one make the argument he is too lazy to even give his word to humans?

This is partly why I was hoping someone (not you but another poster) who has criticized Christianity so openly in here would at least answer the same questions he asks of us as it pertains to the god he believes in. IMHO people who started off committed to the Bible have a tendency to make their god opposite of Christianity in as many ways as the can but can't show how they came to this knowledge

For example, if God (as known by Christians) answers prayers then my god doesn't and if he intervenes then my god doesn't and if he wants to be worshiped and loved then my god doesn't and if wrote a bible then my god doesn't communicate in any way. I am not trying to disrespect your beliefs but I am challenging the comment about ours. What do you base that statement on that your god is better than that. Wouldn't it be true to say that if he did ever share anything with us he may very well go thru humans and we have no way of knowing he wouldn't?

Just some food for thought

(T) Peace

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475317 Jan 8, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>That's because you're spiritually blind,and spiritually evil,like your father,lord,and master,Satan the Wicked One.
Whatever POS deity you worship isn't worth pissing on.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475318 Jan 8, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>You spend a lot of time worrying about Paul,don't you,Micah?
You spend a lot of ti8me worrying about me, don't you, loser ?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475319 Jan 8, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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This is not meant as an argument my friend as you and I rarely travel down that road. But I do feel a need to question your last statement. Has your god written his own stuff for you to conclude he is better than that? Couldn't one make the argument he is too lazy to even give his word to humans?
This is partly why I was hoping someone (not you but another poster) who has criticized Christianity so openly in here would at least answer the same questions he asks of us as it pertains to the god he believes in. IMHO people who started off committed to the Bible have a tendency to make their god opposite of Christianity in as many ways as the can but can't show how they came to this knowledge
For example, if God (as known by Christians) answers prayers then my god doesn't and if he intervenes then my god doesn't and if he wants to be worshiped and loved then my god doesn't and if wrote a bible then my god doesn't communicate in any way. I am not trying to disrespect your beliefs but I am challenging the comment about ours. What do you base that statement on that your god is better than that. Wouldn't it be true to say that if he did ever share anything with us he may very well go thru humans and we have no way of knowing he wouldn't?
Just some food for thought
(T) Peace
I can perhaps use an analogy to better explain my position,

I believe in electricity. I do not believe that Hesiod was ispired by Zeus to write the stories of Zeus making lightening nor that the stories are the "words of Zeus".

I ask, is electricity lazy for not writing something down for us to read ?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#475320 Jan 8, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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I can perhaps use an analogy to better explain my position,
I believe in electricity. I do not believe that Hesiod was ispired by Zeus to write the stories of Zeus making lightening nor that the stories are the "words of Zeus".
I ask, is electricity lazy for not writing something down for us to read ?
I can understand the point if you are saying you somewhat liken God to a force of a nature or something very powerful and that your belief is something so above mankind might not be concerned about communicating with beings so far below it such as humans. I have even seem some suggest it is hubris to think He would. I could even somewhat agree it would be if I did not believe God created us. While not an exact comparison obviously I owned a dog for almost 17 years. While in the life hierarchy animals are far below men (at least as things are set up, whether they should be is debatable considering what we do with our intellect at times) yet I loved that dog with all my heart and would have risked my life to save him if his life was in jeopardy.

So I believe it is natural for God to love His creation and that He would want us to understand Him at least a little and what He expects from us. So why communicate through man I guess is the question. My belief is that to do so any other way would remove the need for faith. For whatever reason, the way things work IMO is a crucial element of our spiritual walk must be based on faith. God isn't interested in those who believe because there is zero way for them not to. He wants us to feel His call and search him out. Whether that is through the Word or in some other way, it is that willingness and desire to repent and seek out God that makes our hearts open to change He wants to instill in us. So could God provide a message instantly understood and believed by all people where there is no doubt it came from a higher power? Yes I think he could easily. But He goes through man because he works through people, through their hearts, and through their minds.

One passage is the Bible God speaks to his BELOVED and says they obey not only in his sight but at all times. I believe this is somewhat comparable to faith. If we believed simply because there was no way not to then faith and the reward of an eternal life becomes no different than a child who is good only to get presents at Christmas. For the same reason Pascal's Wager is not real faith, nor would belief and trust in God be sincere if people knew they essentially had no choice. It is in believing that we make the choice to follow, to repent, to believe and trust in something unseen and greater than ourselves where the true test lies. That is what makes us open to becoming a new creation.

It says only a wicked generation asks for a sign which I see as equivalent as asking for proof. God is not going to give us proof. He wants us to have faith. granted this is somewhat speculation as we can never truly know the complete mind of God but I am convinced faith is key and why He requires faith instead of giving proof that even that most sinful, unrepentant man couldn't deny. If he did that, how many would go through the motions knowing they had to? In a way it is the same as it saying God loves a cheerful giver because it comes from the heart. For our relationship with God to do what it needs to do it must be built on faith on trust IMHO

(T) Peace

“Pillars of Creation....”

Since: Jan 11

Into this world we're thrown

#475321 Jan 8, 2013
Monster Black Hole Burp Surprises Scientists, and Pleases Dr. Shrink..........

http://news.yahoo.com/monster-black-hole-burp...

“Quo Vadis”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#475322 Jan 8, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
>>>space concerns respectfully<<<<
Can I ask what some of the outside sources you have read to lead you to conclude Paul was scapegoated or some of the other things you have mentioned? I personally don't read many myself just because the ones i have found, a lot of them anyway, it seems to be a lot of speculation. But some use some very good sources and provide some pretty sustainable arguments. If you feel there is anything I should check out I wouldn't mind reading it
(T) Peace
Well my source is usually the bible, but there are many websites and books that could help you sort it out. None comes to mind at the moment, but when one does then I will mention it/them.

I like what Peter says about the writings of Paul, which is a bit unusual that he said it but the words are logical:

2 Peter 3:15-16 (NKJV)

15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.
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Paul says something crucial here that speaks to and about a lot of people, especially those that rebel or find excuses not to try to keep the Commandments:

Romans 8:6-7 (NKJV)

6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
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I also like this:

Colossians 3:5-9 (NKJV)

5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,
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So Paul does say some very solid things which seem true to form according to the things an Apostle is expected to say.

Now read this scriptural pasage on your own time, for it is the pivotal passage. It explains Paul while also making him seem as if to say, or people interpret him as saying that the Law is to none effect and it is now just grace through faith.

> Galatians 2:11-21 <
*******

Now I believe based on how his words were eventually structured, it makes him out to be one who doesn't agree with Jewry nor the upkeep of the Law, couple with the fact that he mostly had Greek friends and set up places of worship in Greco-Roman territories and also normally found himself among the gentiles.

Now several translations structure his words differently, to make it seems as if he advocates this new Roman religion Christianity and not Hebraic-Messianism, or "The Way" which was still keeping many of the Moeds and feasts of the Jews but accepting Yashua Ha-Mashiach as the way to salvation and not the Law. The way I understand it is that the law humbles us and shows up our unrighteousness and filthiness before Yahweh (barack be He) and then turns us to Christ. The Law is also a reminder that we are imperfect, thus when we sklip in adhering to the Law we have an advocate. If the Law were of none effect, then many people just like many Christians today would believe it doesn't matter what they do because they are baptized and therefore saved....a one way ticket to paradise. This is a wicked teaching that will lead many to the flaming maelstrom of eternal deletion. I think what I said above should suffice, at least for now.

:)

Andrew (CS).

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