“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475015 Jan 6, 2013
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>.....
We all know one of the most famous verses in the bible; John 3:16. This says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." But, then, on the other hand, we have verses such as Matthew 15:24, Acts 5:31, and Matthew 1:21...
"But he answered and said, I am not sent BUT UNTO the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL."
"Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance TO ISRAEL, and forgiveness of sins."
"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save HIS PEOPLE from their sins."
Now, make no mistake. I'll not even suggest that salvation is only offered to Israel. What I do suggest, though, is that John 3:16 is being misinterpreted and, therefore, causing contradiction between the four verses mentioned. But, if we understand the term "world" in John 3:16 by applying what's written at Isaiah 45:17, I believe the truth becomes evident.
"But ISRAEL shall be saved in YHWH with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded WORLD without end."
Then, Amos 3:1-2 brings it all home...
"Hear this word that YHWH hath spoken against you, O children of ISRAEL, against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt, saying, You ONLY have I known of ALL the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities."
Now, John 3:16 remains harmonious with the rest, don't you think?
Again...thank you for your time and consideration.
Until next time...
Based on most of the Scriptures, I would have to say that YHWY's major concern is for Israel with Gentiles being treated like the proverbial "redheaded stepchild".

It is also why I think Jesus preached conversion to Judaism for Gentiles despite 'Roman' doctrine to the contrary.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475016 Jan 6, 2013
hick-up wrote:
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Are you a member of Westboro Baptist?
They wouldn't let him join. He was too radical. LOL

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#475017 Jan 6, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
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I hope you know that the same negative things that you mentioned that have been thrown at you have been thrown at me and others that believe in OSAS by some that don't believe that. Namely Lawest and to a certain degree Quin. If you go back and look at some of the comments from Lawest directed towards myself and others that believe in OSAS you will see that they have been just as bad as the some of the comments directed at you and others that don't believe in OSAS.
And as far as refusing to address scripture goes, time and time again myself and others have shown scripture to back up our beliefs only to be told that we don't understand what the scripture we used means. If I had a dollar for every time Lawest has used that tactic rather than addressing what the scripture posted says I'd have enough money to take us all out to a nice dinner.
Hello, RA.

It seems to me that many in here are unfamiliar with hermeneutics which deals with the proper interpretation and understanding of scripture. There is only one correct interpretation of scripture, however there are multiple applications. And when we use the wrong application, we distort the correct interpretation. That is why I posted the link that I did. Many who support their view that one is able to lose salvation, mostly use scripture that is specifically written to Jews, not Gentiles, and this is the incorrect application of the Word. We should remember that most all of M,M,L, & J and the first part of Acts are to the Hebrews, and Paul's writings are to the Gentiles. And when this is understood, then the light gets a whole lot brighter which leads to understanding the correct interpretation and its proper application.

Have a great day.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475018 Jan 6, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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Hello, RA.
It seems to me that many in here are unfamiliar with hermeneutics which deals with the proper interpretation and understanding of scripture.....
Hermeneutics AKA exigesis AKA apologetics is little more than putting the "Holy Spirit inspration" in a lab coat.

It is flawed, subject to bias and based on far too many a'priori assumptions.

Finally, even if it could be done beyond doubts (which it can't), all you would have is the authors thoughts. If those thoughts are in error then you will have an erroroneous account. Claiming that the author is always correct and/or truthful and/or complete and/or accurate is the main a'priori fallacy.

An analysis based on a fallacy will return a fallacy.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#475019 Jan 6, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Have a Blesed day today....God Be with you
Good morning Epi;

The wondering mind.How many tator tots are on the teeter totters here.The wonder of it all.I just a gal havin some fun is all.
Epi want you to know that one stick like glue in the mind.lol.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475020 Jan 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Hermeneutics AKA exigesis AKA apologetics is little more than putting the "Holy Spirit inspration" in a lab coat.
It is flawed, subject to bias and based on far too many a'priori assumptions.
Finally, even if it could be done beyond doubts (which it can't), all you would have is the authors thoughts. If those thoughts are in error then you will have an erroroneous account. Claiming that the author is always correct and/or truthful and/or complete and/or accurate is the main a'priori fallacy.
An analysis based on a fallacy will return a fallacy.
agree

but why you back up all almost all your posts by this type of gamblers?

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#475021 Jan 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Hermeneutics AKA exigesis AKA apologetics is little more than putting the "Holy Spirit inspration" in a lab coat.
It is flawed, subject to bias and based on far too many a'priori assumptions.
Finally, even if it could be done beyond doubts (which it can't), all you would have is the authors thoughts. If those thoughts are in error then you will have an erroroneous account. Claiming that the author is always correct and/or truthful and/or complete and/or accurate is the main a'priori fallacy.
An analysis based on a fallacy will return a fallacy.
From the Encyclopaedia Britannica Concise:

Study of the general principles of biblical interpretation. Its primary purpose is to discover the truths and values of the Bible, which is seen as a receptacle of divine revelation. Four major types of hermeneutics have emerged: literal (asserting that the text is to be interpreted according to the “plain meaning”), moral (seeking to establish the principles from which ethical lessons may be drawn), allegorical (interpreting narratives as having a level of reference beyond the explicit), and anagogical or mystical (seeking to explain biblical events as they relate to the life to come).

Remember that when we look at writings from the past that we shouldn't assume or presume any future revelation. There are many things that we know now that they didn't know or anticipate then. This leads to incorrect application.

And since I ascribe to what the Bible says in that all scripture was written under the leading of the Holy Spirit, then all scripture is not the actual writers' "thoughts," but are from God Himself.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475022 Jan 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Based on most of the Scriptures, I would have to say that YHWY's major concern is for Israel with Gentiles being treated like the proverbial "redheaded stepchild".
It is also why I think Jesus preached conversion to Judaism for Gentiles despite 'Roman' doctrine to the contrary.
not only Jesus but also Paul preached Gospel of Christ and teaching them new law based on Mosaic Law

Jesus and apostle Paul never establish by his doctrines worldwide churches or their docrines doctrines

even Jesu said about secong fold of sheeps not belonging to the first (JEWISH FLOCK)to unite them with jewish flock first fold

without of predujice,read 1st 4 chapters of Romans letter written by Paul,and about Mosaic Law

in this case I agree with you mister.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475023 Jan 6, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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From the Encyclopaedia Britannica Concise:
Study of the general principles of biblical interpretation. Its .
And since I ascribe to what the Bible says in that all scripture was written under the leading of the Holy Spirit, then all scripture is not the actual writers' "thoughts," but are from God Himself.
also
if Scripture is from God Himself,
none of His children need any outside resources written by apologists,or other deceivers of this world wisdom?

Scripture is from God Himself and God Himself and personaly use HOLY SPIRIT GREAT TEACHER WHO LEAD HIS CHILDREN TO ABSOLUTE MATURITY

be careful Drew those outside sources
have good and Gods blessed day
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475024 Jan 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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They wouldn't let him join. He was too radical. LOL
not to radical
rather to stupid.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475025 Jan 6, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>They were churches in Ancient "what is now called" Turkey which is in Asia. I believe that each of these 7 churches mentioned in Revelation has their own personality and each church had a different warning or "praise report" from Jesus. I believe that these 7 churches represents all local church assemblies within the Church Age... and a local church (that is the assembly of people/the groupthink) will exhibit at least one or more of these personalities listed in the churches in Revelations... and Jesus gives a head's up of what He thinks of them through the message to those 7 churches. So we can spiritually gauge what are church is like just by looking at those seven churches and see which personality fits. Then we can look to see what Jesus said about that particular church and get an understanding of what He thinks of our own church and what He is going to do.
God already get out from those churches,infested by devil Spirit from the time of first 7 churches in Turkey and Asia

where is coruption of devil spirit,there is not coruptive Gods Spirit togethere with devil spirit.

fruits of this dead world christianity tree is obvious,and plain

good tree never will give a bad rotten stinking fruits
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475026 Jan 6, 2013
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>LOL.... Peace is as Peace does ~ that is what I have learned. I cannot be Peaceful on the inside, and in my thoughts, if I am reading or writing nasty words. I seek that which I seek - Humility :)
also preserve sweet PEACE inside of you,
and scroll those nasty posts,don't read them and cultivate LOVE AND PEACE TO SUCH STRANGE LOVEABLE POSTERS LIKE DR SHRINK

be happy today and whole week without of ceasing

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475027 Jan 6, 2013
Drew H wrote:
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...And since I ascribe to what the Bible says in that all scripture was written under the leading of the Holy Spirit, then all scripture is not the actual writers' "thoughts," but are from God Himself.
And there is the a'priori fallacy.

Please prove that the Bible is from God.

BTW, "God told me so" or "The Bible says so" is NOT proof at all.

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#475028 Jan 6, 2013
Dr too Stupid wrote:
not to radical
rather to stupid.
The voice of experience ...

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#475029 Jan 6, 2013
Dr Shrinky Brain wrote:
also
if Scripture is from God Himself,
none of His children need any outside resources written by apologists,or other deceivers of this world wisdom?
Scripture is from God Himself and God Himself and personaly use HOLY SPIRIT GREAT TEACHER WHO LEAD HIS CHILDREN TO ABSOLUTE MATURITY
be careful Drew those outside sources
have good and Gods blessed day
We surely don't need you around here spreading your garbage & deception.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#475030 Jan 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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And there is the a'priori fallacy.
Please prove that the Bible is from God.
BTW, "God told me so" or "The Bible says so" is NOT proof at all.
For He says I am with you always.
He walks with me and talks with me thru the Bible
and he tells me I am his own.
He holds the hands of those that love.
He come in prayers.
He come thru dreams and visions.
He come in thoughts.
He comes in auto polit thoughts.
He put word on the lips.
He moves in mysterious ways
Nothing is impossible with God.
Doubt not he is always there.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#475031 Jan 6, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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For He says I am with you always.
He walks with me and talks with me thru the Bible
and he tells me I am his own.
He holds the hands of those that love.
He come in prayers.
He come thru dreams and visions.
He come in thoughts.
He comes in auto polit thoughts.
He put word on the lips.
He moves in mysterious ways
Nothing is impossible with God.
Doubt not he is always there.
The same is said by Christians about Satan. Apparently this Satan fellow is more poweful than God.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#475032 Jan 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The same is said by Christians about Satan. Apparently this Satan fellow is more poweful than God.
of course
because according to Gospel tempting Jesus by Satan,we can clearly see,that for satan was given all powers and all kingdoms of this earth,

to ask Jesus to bow His knees before satan,was to promise by satan give Jesus all power on this earth.

SATAN AND HIS CHILDREN POSESS TODAY ABSOLUTE POWER IN WORLDWIDE RELIGION AND POLITICAL GOVERMENTS

most stupid is christianity leaded by satan their churches and their souls to the hell

Since: Oct 12

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#475033 Jan 6, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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The same is said by Christians about Satan. Apparently this Satan fellow is more poweful than God.
Maybe in your mind and your type of thinking of Mr.Satan.
If he is so powerful humm found himself booted out of heaven.
If he is so powerful what happened when he tempted Jesus.
If he is so powerful where is the hidden secret of Jesus resurrection???? Happy hunting.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#475036 Jan 6, 2013
Dr Shrink wrote:
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also
if Scripture is from God Himself,
none of His children need any outside resources written by apologists,or other deceivers of this world wisdom?
Scripture is from God Himself and God Himself and personaly use HOLY SPIRIT GREAT TEACHER WHO LEAD HIS CHILDREN TO ABSOLUTE MATURITY
be careful Drew those outside sources
have good and Gods blessed day
Well said Shrink, and all so true.

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