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#474846 Jan 5, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Skombolis!!!...STOP...LOOK.... and LISTEN!!!!:'Receiving the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH does NOT mean that it's talking about SAVED people!!! Do you think people like Hugh Heifner and Larry Flynt have never 'received the knowledge of the truth',even though they continued in the pornography business as they've gotten older and older??!! I mean,you people can remain CLUELESS all of your lives!!!!
Doc

You think unbelievers were ever covered by the sacrifice in the first place??? Who else can it be but believers that were once covered???

Hebrews 10:26
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left

And still waiting for you to explain this to me. Why do you refuse to address it doc? Why does what the Bible actually says scare you so much that you can't even address it?

Matthew 19:16-17
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."

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#474847 Jan 5, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>????
So let me get this straight.
Somebody take the time to clarify the discussion me and you having. But instead of reading; understanding; and let the knowledge from somebody else writing answer and clarify the discussion, you criticize me for using another writer to clarify??
The answer to the discussion me and you having is spelled out clearly in the writing and website in my last writing, but because you not want to concede the fact that you wrong, you blame me for using another person writing to clarify.
wow. That writer skombolis, is the heights of arrogance and pride.
Because I use another to clarify, you reject the truth. Here is another verse for you skombolis:
Proverbs 16:18
18 Pride goes before destruction,
a haughty spirit before a fall.
Skombolis if you think is only you RIGHT, and everyone else wrong, you have a heart of RELIGION, and not know the savior Jesus Christ.
You need to get saved writer. You just religious. Religion no save nobody.
iyai!
You still refuse to address the scripture I have given you. The rest is simply a red herring. And yes i think being unable to speak for yourself speaks volumes. You aren't clarifying, you are using it because you can't speak for yourself

Who are the dead being judged if we go straight to heaven or hell?

Until you answer we are done here

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#474848 Jan 5, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Skombolis!!!...STOP...LOOK.... and LISTEN!!!!:'Receiving the KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH does NOT mean that it's talking about SAVED people!!! Do you think people like Hugh Heifner and Larry Flynt have never 'received the knowledge of the truth',even though they continued in the pornography business as they've gotten older and older??!! I mean,you people can remain CLUELESS all of your lives!!!!
And since you claim verses that say life right after eternal life are talking about earth or seem to need the word saved mized right in, I will give you a verse by Paul even that specifcally says saved

1Corinthians 15:1-2
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."

Notice the "IF" Doc? What happens if those who are saved don't keep in memory what they have been taught?

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#474850 Jan 5, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>????

Skombolis if you think is only you RIGHT, and everyone else wrong, you have a heart of RELIGION, and not know the savior Jesus Christ.

iyai!
And since when do you speak for everyone else?

I think you are wrong

And since you refuse to even address the scripture that shows that it makes it pretty easy to conclude

Aieee

LOL

And I responded to you civilly the entire time despite your past obession with me and it was still you who initiated the insults. And why, because I kept asking you to give your interpretation of scripture? I guess it must get frustrating for people who want to call others unbiblical to have to stand mute when provided scripture that shows them the opposite of what they are claiming

Ok...NOW we are done until you addrss scripture.

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#474852 Jan 5, 2013
huk wek fu fue wrote:
<quoted text>
sir
biblicaly I agree with you that nobody is saved only sleep to resurection time
saved are only remnant of 14400 Rev 7;1-8 remnant still few living on this globe as members of heavely Goverment over new heaven and new erath after resurection and place just righteouess to live eternaly as adopted sons of God
let me humbly advise
each language have own language name of JESUS
even english spoken people doesn't know how to spell this nmae and spell DZESUS-it os wrong
why you have to use name of JESUS in Hebrew language JEHO SHUAH
if you got not idea how to spell of you are not hebrew,
for you as american boy the best posts of yours are with name JESUS not JEHO SHUA or Ihoshu or greek IESSOU?
any way,
you post many valuable spiritual true biblical doctrines
Why do you think it is best for me to stick with Jesus instead of Yeshua?

I thought Andrew made a compelling argument why we should say Yeshua but I really don't know much about Hebrew or any of the older wrings. Is it actually more proper for an American to use Jesus than Yeshua?

It would make things easier but I am curious why you say that, If that is the case that would be fine by me but I would need to know why

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

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#474854 Jan 5, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
<quoted text>
....The Christian faith isn't defined by those that claim it....
In reality, yes it is. You just proved that.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#474855 Jan 5, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
....if they would study it now they would be saying what the fugg..........
Thay already do.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#474856 Jan 5, 2013
huk wek fu fue wrote:
<quoted text>
you are not able in reality to be before throne of God with mouth full of Lies,trachery and back up wicked atheists spewing daily on our precious Lord
you can only imagine,halucinate,or fell,but never be before the Holy Throne of Gods Tabernacle coverded by eternal curtain aginst scums like you
sorry
your acts of daily Lies gave bad witness about you,
you are never saved and never will be,if you live like LIEYNG DOG

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

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#474857 Jan 5, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
You still refuse to address the scripture I have given you. The rest is simply a red herring. And yes i think being unable to speak for yourself speaks volumes. You aren't clarifying, you are using it because you can't speak for yourself
Who are the dead being judged if we go straight to heaven or hell?
Until you answer we are done here
it very simple.

I already tell you those scriptures talking about BODILY resurrection, not spirit. in judgement is where spirit get body FINAL judgement.

..and you still no get it.

The writing I post from the website make it clear as day,

...and you still no get it.

Nowhere in bible it say Spirit sleep,

...and you still no get it.

Jesus himself say in the present that the spirit of David is talking to the Lord,

...and you still no get it.

So either you too dumb or stupid to get it, and I no think you dumb or stupid.

Or you arrogance and pride and you love for arguing, fight and rebellion not want to make you concede. And I think that what it is.

And that say a lot about you spirit. If you spirit was of Jesus Christ, you would have just conceded that you wrong and you now know the truth.

But you PRIDE won't let that happen. Jesus not into pride and arrogance. that not spirit of Jesus, that spirit of Jesus enemy satan.

get saved writer.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#474858 Jan 5, 2013
huk wek fu fue wrote:
<quoted text>
you are not able in reality to be before throne of God with mouth full of Lies,trachery and back up wicked atheists spewing daily on our precious Lord
you can only imagine,halucinate,or fell,but never be before the Holy Throne of Gods Tabernacle coverded by eternal curtain aginst scums like you
sorry
your acts of daily Lies gave bad witness about you,
you are never saved and never will be,if you live like LIEYNG DOG

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#474860 Jan 5, 2013
huk wek fu fue wrote:
<quoted text>
Sir
again you are right
if you wish,you can look independently without of their help,
organization of JW and their doctrines,many og them are 100% biblicaly truth and support your biblical view
heaven is reserved only for 14400 new heavenly goverment ruling in the future on this new heaven and new eart of resurected righteouess humans after Gods Judgement
same wicked criminal never enter same day heavens with Jesus Christ,because Jesus Christ was resurected from the hell(hades)after 3 days sleep, and after 40 days He enter heavens ACTS 1;11
criminal killed on the tree still sleep to the time of resurection of just ones or righteouess ones
They are refusing to address scripture

I would add

1 Corinthians 15:12-17
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

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#474862 Jan 5, 2013
huk wek fu fue wrote:
<quoted text>
andrew is good believer and he is Hebrew from his ancestors, He got in his genes hebrew understanding of his core parents hebrew langauge and for him Jeho shuah is sweet Saviour
if you are not geneticaly hebrew ,word Jesus sound for you more sweet inside of your mind,as dead hebrew pronounce of name Jeho shua or Yeho shu ah,
or Reza Ma Ha VaEl- same meaning Jesus of Greek Iessou
Andrew is smart guy,and spiritualy mature with his posts many christians can learn a lot,
same is BLL,
you too,
Only each one of us slowly grow up to the spiritual adulthood maturity
have good evening
I see what you are saying

That is kind of where my initial concern was as I feel my relationship with Jesus was made under my English understanding and following. I have to admit ti doesn't feel natual for me to say Yeshua. It feels like trying to be something I am not but I thought maybe that was just because anything different than what we are used to will feel strange

I may have to re-think this again as I want to do what is proper in terms of addressing Him but it hasn't felt normal to me when I do it

(T) Peace

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

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#474863 Jan 5, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
They are refusing to address scripture
I would add
1 Corinthians 15:12-17
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
This what I mean you hide you ignorance about the bible by writing the bible.

what that verse have to do with we discussion?

That verse is Paul rebuking those that say there is no resurrection.

You think there is no resurrection? then you no belong to Jesus Christ.

And if you think there is a resurrection, then what this verse you write have to do with we discussion?

Nothing.

The discussion is about spirit and body resurrection. saved spirits with Jesus right now. lost souls in hell right now.

That what we talking about. And even Jesus Himself say david spirit alive;;;and yet you disagree.

just because you write a lot of the bible on here, that not mean you know the bible. and you just prove it.

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#474864 Jan 5, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>it very simple.
I already tell you those scriptures talking about BODILY resurrection, not spirit. in judgement is where spirit get body FINAL judgement.
..and you still no get it.
The writing I post from the website make it clear as day,
...and you still no get it.
Nowhere in bible it say Spirit sleep,
...and you still no get it.
Jesus himself say in the present that the spirit of David is talking to the Lord,
...and you still no get it.
So either you too dumb or stupid to get it, and I no think you dumb or stupid.
Or you arrogance and pride and you love for arguing, fight and rebellion not want to make you concede. And I think that what it is.
And that say a lot about you spirit. If you spirit was of Jesus Christ, you would have just conceded that you wrong and you now know the truth.
But you PRIDE won't let that happen. Jesus not into pride and arrogance. that not spirit of Jesus, that spirit of Jesus enemy satan.
get saved writer.
No you don't get it. It makes no sense to raise a dead body to judgement

John 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

And it specifically says Christ's SOUL was in hades

Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

But I would suggest you read the following very carefully as you are denying there is a Resurrection of the dead

1 Corinthians 15:12-17
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

God doesn't raise up dead bodies to judge them if judgement has already been passed. And if they were already in heaven and or hell then how is it AFTER their dead bodies are risen are they resurrected unto life or condemnation? What you say makes no sense. And we get new bodies in Heaven

2 Corinthians 5:3

For we will not be spirits without bodies, but we will put on new heavenly bodies. 4 Our dying bodies make us groan and sigh, but it's not that we want to die and have no bodies at all. We want to slip into our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by everlasting life.
huk wek fu fue

Baltimore, MD

#474865 Jan 5, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
They are refusing to address scripture
I would add
1 Corinthians 15:12-17
Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen. And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
excelent passage
completly deny worldwide christianity doctrines of flying to the heaven after phisical death,

Bible clearly teach about resurection of righteouess one so called great crowd who will worship God before Holy Curtain like Izraleties, behind Holy Curtain could only enter chosen by God holy priests Levities

it is same in spiritual sense, MOST HOLY TABERNACLE AND GODS THRONE IS IN HEAVEN,DARK CURTAIN COVER THIS PLACE BEFORE THOSE WHO LIVE ON THIS EARTH BEFORE GODS CURTAIN WORSHIPING GOD, REV 7;9 THEY DIE AND HAVING RESURECTION CHANCE AS RIGHTEOUESS ONES TO LIVE FOREVER ON THIS EARTH

having Gods Most Holy Name on their foreheads

only last remnant of members of Heavenly Goverment is save,always save and fill ranks of 14400

there exist not such biblical passage who tell us, that:
all dogs animals, and humans fly to the heaven after their phisical death

I know,
if we know THE TRUTH
we can not LIE,TO GAIN FRIENDSHIP OR WORLD APLAUZE

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

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#474866 Jan 5, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>...You think there is no resurrection? then you no belong to Jesus Christ....
According to Paul.

What did Jesus say ?

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#474867 Jan 5, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>This what I mean you hide you ignorance about the bible by writing the bible.
what that verse have to do with we discussion?
That verse is Paul rebuking those that say there is no resurrection.
You think there is no resurrection? then you no belong to Jesus Christ.
And if you think there is a resurrection, then what this verse you write have to do with we discussion?
Nothing.
The discussion is about spirit and body resurrection. saved spirits with Jesus right now. lost souls in hell right now.
That what we talking about. And even Jesus Himself say david spirit alive;;;and yet you disagree.
just because you write a lot of the bible on here, that not mean you know the bible. and you just prove it.
You don't understand or know the Bible at all. Keep reading that passage. It is not talking just of Christ being ressurected but of those that doubt there is a resurrection of the dead and is saying if there is none than Christ Himself could not have been resurrected.

Keep reading..

29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I die every day—I mean that, brothers—just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,“Let us eat and drink,for tomorrow we die.”

Learn your Bible before you start calling others ignorant

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#474868 Jan 5, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>This what I mean you hide you ignorance about the bible by writing the bible.
what that verse have to do with we discussion?
That verse is Paul rebuking those that say there is no resurrection.
You think there is no resurrection? then you no belong to Jesus Christ.
And if you think there is a resurrection, then what this verse you write have to do with we discussion?
Nothing.
The discussion is about spirit and body resurrection. saved spirits with Jesus right now. lost souls in hell right now.
That what we talking about. And even Jesus Himself say david spirit alive;;;and yet you disagree.
just because you write a lot of the bible on here, that not mean you know the bible. and you just prove it.
1 Corinthians 15
16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

Now look at the last verse,

if only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are to be pitied more than all men.

Now look at the verse right before it

18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost.

Now read the whole thing again

Then explain how it says Christ's soul was in hell

Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

If you want to believe we go to heaven or hell in spirit and then Christ comes back to judge the living and the dead who are already in heaven and hell and takes back with them just the dead bodies that he resurrected unto life or death than so be it. That makes no sense

I am done with this, it is a waste of my time at this point
huk wek fu fue

Baltimore, MD

#474869 Jan 5, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I see what you are saying
That is kind of where my initial concern was as I feel my relationship with Jesus was made under my English understanding and following. I have to admit ti doesn't feel natual for me to say Yeshua. It feels like trying to be something I am not but I thought maybe that was just because anything different than what we are used to will feel strange
I may have to re-think this again as I want to do what is proper in terms of addressing Him but it hasn't felt normal to me when I do it
(T) Peace
WE always have to never forget 1 Commandment
to LOVE OUR GOD FROM OUR HEART, NOT LIPS,OR SOUND GOOD FOR OTHERS

I my language Jesus name sounds JESU,not DZESUS like english,

I never use english pronounce of Our Saviour DZESUS only JESUS- easier tunderstand by you inside of my heart is Yesus

OR HIS FATHER NOT DZEHOWA(JEHOVA) ONLY YEHOWA
same I pray constantly only in my own languge,
but Bible am able to read in German, polish, russian,greek and some hebrew,
this is good for mind knowledge, but for heart is always good to use own language bringing Sweet Savour to yourselves and to those who listen us.2 Cor 2;16-17
v17.....is very interesant and up to date,
For we are not as many
which corrupt the word of God;
BUT AS OF SINCERITY BUT AS OF GOD
IN THE SIGHT OF GOD SPEAK WE IN CHRIST
huk wek fu fue

Baltimore, MD

#474870 Jan 5, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't understand or know the Bible at all. Keep reading that passage. It is not talking just of Christ being ressurected but of those that doubt there is a resurrection of the dead and is saying if there is none than Christ Himself could not have been resurrected.
Keep reading..
29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And as for us, why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I die every day—I mean that, brothers—just as surely as I glory over you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for merely human reasons, what have I gained? If the dead are not raised,“Let us eat and drink,for tomorrow we die.”
Learn your Bible before you start calling others ignorant
TRIFECTA DOESN'T SPEAK FROM HIS MIND
he use some outside sources and quote them,it is like plagarazing,

he behave like babe drinking mama breast milk, and is not mature enough to express his independent foughts based only on Bible

WE DON'T NEED ANY OUTSIDE SOURCES HELP, TO UNDERSTAND BIBLIE UNDER PERSONAL QUIDENCE OF GODS SPIRIT

good night

it is very very difficult to keep patience, forgiveness or forget sins of others,and not controling our own

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