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That is one of the craziest thing i have ever heard. My intent is not to be disrespectful but I can't think of any way to sugar-coat that and get my point across.
The Bible says to test ourselves daily to ensure that Christ is in us
Yet in these conversations I have heard not only we don't have to repent for our sinning, not only we don't have to feel bad if we continue to sin, but it is the devil who wants us to feel bad about sinning. I have heard obeying Jesus Christ and telling others we must obey him is giving glory to ourselves while claiming the teachings of Jesus don't apply to us despite Him sending the Holy Spirit to remind us of those teachings is giving all the glory to Jesus. And now even concentrating on trying to do the will of the father dooms us to failure??
I don't even know what to say to that
This belief that man is trying to save himself because he believes Jesus when he says any that come to him will be saved or because he believes Jesus when he says to have eternal life you must obey the commandments is just mind-boggling and makes zero sense. But people just keep regurgitating it in leau of addressing scripture.
5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?