Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#473144 Dec 29, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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True Grace CAME by Jesus Christ..By ONES mans obedience..Jesus's obedience is what makes us righteous not ours.
Good Afternoon Grace... on that we agree. Still we have to walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. According to the scriptures, one can depart from the faith also. Well, you already know those scriptures in which Skom attested to. Here's another one if you don't mind:

James is talking to brothers in the Lord (vv19):

"Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you." James 1:21

Concerning OSAS, you and I simply believe differently on that subject.

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#473145 Dec 29, 2012
Serah wrote:
<quoted text>Concept? An idea only? What do you call murder then, if not a sin?
Murder is the illegal killing with malice aforethought of another person. This is why abortion is not murder. The term murder never existed before man. Sin does not actually exist. It is important only in religion to decide who goes to heaven or hell (two other man made concepts). The key root of all religion is control. The two easiest ways to do this is with guilt and fear. 1+1=2. Imagine that.

Go ahead, take a deep breath, count to 10 and post. LOL.

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#473146 Dec 29, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
"Being a slave to sin"
That is the problem with sin.
That is step two. Step one is being a slave to religion.

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#473147 Dec 29, 2012
Oh Grace, btw... God's True Grace existed in the Old Testament as well... but only the blood of bullocks and the like could only cover the sin in which they had to repeatedly make sacrifice... it couldn't take it completely away as Jesus did.

Still yet, if and when we do sin "in this dispensation" we have an advocate (Jesus) with the Father in which we can confess our sins... and God will cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

We agree on Jesus.. we disagree on OSAS.

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#473148 Dec 29, 2012
For if by the ONE man’s offense( ADAM) death reigned through the ONE,( ADAM ) much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

If you wont believe that, then in reality, what is being said is that what Adam did is superior than what Jesus Christ did. that is dishonoring the blood of Christ. Give Christ the glory that HE deserves..Not us and what we DO..We all try to be obedient to God, but show be where God says WE ARE..He says we ARE NOT and NEVER will be UNLESS we are obedient to HIS Plan of Salvation..Believing what Jesus did for us..Thats Obedience of Faith..obedience of the Spirit...Obedience of LIFE.

What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

I choose obedience leading to righteousness so I am a slave to a condition called RIGHTEOUSNESS..

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#473149 Dec 29, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
A Beautiful Exchange
At the final heartbeatWhat GRACE did for US and still DOING for US :)
I saw someone gave my last post to you an 'incendiary' although I dont know why since I am asking sincerely if we have never been REQUIRED to obey. I know you agree those that love Him should but we see even believers still disobey by sinning. But let me give you an example of why I think this is important. We are told in both Testaments that we are to have no other gods before God. If obedience is not a requirement, then do you feel someone can trust in Christ for salvation yet also worship other gods? Their faith is Christ would remain the same except they would not be obeying the commandment about having other gods. Just like sin is disobeying love thy neighbor and God but u say in that case a person remain righteous regardless of how much they disobey. So can someone worship other gods or idols even and still be saved in your opinion so long as they still believe on Christ?

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#473150 Dec 29, 2012
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Clearly a God who can create a universe and then create a scenario where he is absent yet requires a belief in him and a ridiculous story about his son (which lacks proof) for salvation, can write a book with absolute truth and maintain freewill..........
Skombolis wrote:
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1) Yet your god doesn't interact at all and you believe in him. So that God wants us to do something clearly man is capable of doing is a problem for you why?[/QUOTE

Because its a requirement with christianity...... W/O Christianity An atheist wont suffer severe repercussions because he doesnt believe. The problem (for me) comes from Gods absenteeism creating a story or scenario if you prefer that defies logic, is filled with cruelty, mysoginy, hatred, anger and then requires you to have faith in this scenario or suffer the consequences, which are great..........

[QUOTE who="Skombolis"]< quoted text>Heck you have done it with nobody but yourself for guidance. God has provided the Bible as far as Christians are concerned.[/QUOTE

The bible doesnt make alot of sense to many of us. Myself for example had a hard time with gods ruthlessness. And they say this God is good? I couldn't see it. Prayed faithfully and sincerely to see it.

Christianity you could say was a springboard for my beliefs now. Its had its influence, how couldn't it? And I also stated I rely on guidance and believe I'm guided. It hasnt come from me and I dont believe it comes from a God.

[QUOTE who="Skombolis"]< quoted text> So why would this requirement be ridiculous when you adhere to it yourself with your god and a god that doesn't ever get involved?[/QUOTE

Because of the conditions that come with it.

I gave some scenarios to Juicy. The playing feild isnt level. Among other things.

[QUOTE who="Skombolis"]< quoted text> What is it that led you to believe he exists?
Probably Christianity and an NDE..........

I will fully admit it may stem from the indoctrination of christianity. I have no concrete evidence of life after death, just my own spiritual experiences that may be a product of my imagination or of my wanting there to be something else.........

Right now meditation and a desire to improve works for me. i like where I'm at, I'll continue to do what I'm doing until it doesnt work for me..........

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#473151 Dec 29, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Good Afternoon Grace... on that we agree. Still we have to walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. According to the scriptures, one can depart from the faith also. Well, you already know those scriptures in which Skom attested to. Here's another one if you don't mind:
James is talking to brothers in the Lord (vv19):
"Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you." James 1:21
Concerning OSAS, you and I simply believe differently on that subject.
AFTERNOON TO YOU BROTHER QUIN. Yes, we may disagree on a few things but as long as we are In Christ and are belivers, does a few minor disagreements really matter? neither one of us has the desire to walk away from Christ so we are both secure in Christ Jesus. Most of the arguments between people are caused by one little word "IF"..< smile>

We both love God, we both announce to the world that we accepted Jesus Christ as Our personal Lord and Saviour..Thats what we should be discussing..Great post Quin. God Bless

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#473152 Dec 29, 2012
I'm not redoing that, sorry, must have screwed up the quotes............

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#473153 Dec 29, 2012
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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truth cant be twisted.
No but it can be manipulated. Fundies are masters of that.

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#473154 Dec 29, 2012
Name appears on post wrote:
I need solitude. I need to gather my thoughts. I need to figure things out on my own. In order to do that, I can't have interference.
So I take it you're non-religious...

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#473155 Dec 29, 2012
Grace...responding here for space. Yes you are the first person I ever heard claim we were never expected to be able to follow the law so it was created not because God thought we could obey it but instead to reveal our sin. Everything I have read says the opposite and that God gave us the law because he absolutely expected us to follow it. In fact you have changed what you said to believe just a few weeks ago when you said salvation for the Jews was thru law and for the Gentiles thru Grace. Now you are saying even the Jews werent expected to be able to follow the law. The scripture you give shows the transition from Mosaic Law to grace and even under grace we must obey the 2 greatest commandments. But nothing you provided show Mosaic Law when it was given by God was not expected to be followed but instead was given to show we are sinful. Plz provide scripture as it relates to that claim. Thank you
Adam

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#473156 Dec 29, 2012
Mylan is gay.

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#473157 Dec 29, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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AFTERNOON TO YOU BROTHER QUIN. Yes, we may disagree on a few things but as long as we are In Christ and are belivers, does a few minor disagreements really matter? neither one of us has the desire to walk away from Christ so we are both secure in Christ Jesus. Most of the arguments between people are caused by one little word "IF"..< smile>
We both love God, we both announce to the world that we accepted Jesus Christ as Our personal Lord and Saviour..Thats what we should be discussing..Great post Quin. God Bless
Praise The Lord. On that good note I think I'll take it. Smile. Welp, I have to head on out for a little bit to take care of some things but Lordwilling I can post later. Have a good one... everyone also have a good day.

Quin

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#473159 Dec 29, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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You mentioned differences in people's upbringing or chemistry when talking about free-will yet those are the things that help prove we have free-will. If everybody thought the same and experienced the same things and were socialized the same way then people being cookie-cutters of one another would slightly diminish free-will. It is the very fact that we are all unique and can make choices based on that uniqueness that makes free will all the more important. Otherwise what would be the point in instilling morals and values in someone if it doesn't help them to choose to do the right thing? Man at the end of the day has choice. But sure we want to provide him with all the possible tools available that hopefully he will make the best choice he can.
I mentioned our chemistry in response to Juicy saying that she had hardships yet came to christianity. It was like her response was: if I can anyone can. I disagree with that.

My response was in order to point out that maybe she was born with a stronger will. The example was abuse. Juicy came through it and has now chosen to explore and accept christianity. What about the child who goes through those same experiences but doesnt have the will to go on, purely because of their makeup, their ancestory, their genes and commits suicide? The childs will did not allow them the same opportunity as Juicy IMO..........She wasnt as strong, couldnt find the hope...... Should that condemn her to go from one hell to the next?

I believe there are people that could exchange lives with me and say, man what are you complaining about this life was a breeze, The next may find it more difficult then I.

How many muslims convert to christianity? My guess is the number is pretty low.........Think their opportunity to go to heaven is as good as yours?

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#473160 Dec 29, 2012
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Probably Christianity and an NDE..........
I will fully admit it may stem from the indoctrination of christianity. I have no concrete evidence of life after death, just my own spiritual experiences that may be a product of my imagination or of my wanting there to be something else
Thank you for the candid responses. i had some followups but they no longer apply as they had to do with imo it being easy to be aware of the existnce of God but since you cant rule out your belief is not in part due to what you were taught as a Christian that would probably be your answer I am assuming which is you cant say you confidently believe the god you feel exists is real. Obviously I was going to get into if even on one's own they can seek God and find Him then the requirement is not a harsh one.But I dont believe man suffers for eternity in hell , i think his soul dies but those that believe are rewarded. Thx again

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#473162 Dec 29, 2012
Rider on the Storm wrote:
I'm not redoing that, sorry, must have screwed up the quotes..........
I was able to still read it and see your replies

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#473164 Dec 29, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>I saw someone gave my last post to you an 'incendiary' although I dont know why since I am asking sincerely if we have never been REQUIRED to obey. I know you agree those that love Him should but we see even believers still disobey by sinning. But let me give you an example of why I think this is important. We are told in both Testaments that we are to have no other gods before God. If obedience is not a requirement, then do you feel someone can trust in Christ for salvation yet also worship other gods? Their faith is Christ would remain the same except they would not be obeying the commandment about having other gods. Just like sin is disobeying love thy neighbor and God but u say in that case a person remain righteous regardless of how much they disobey. So can someone worship other gods or idols even and still be saved in your opinion so long as they still believe on Christ?
Hi Skom..I dont pay any attention to those silly icons. Your post to me was a very good one. This subject is very easy to understand but very hard to explain with words sometimes. I will start with this..

We are not righteous because of OUR obedience. that doesnt mean we can just go out and sin willfully without being chastized by our Father. We all correct our children when they mis-behave but our love for them remains and we dont kick them out of the family. We correct them out of love..
Just like God does for us.. We dont expect our children to obey us every second of the day..We want them too but they learn from their mistakes.

lets look at this verse...What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

If we continue to be slaves of sin by being perfectly obedient to the Law, then we become slaves to sin..We are to be obedient to the Law of FAITH..As you can see, nobody seems to WANT to believe that, so they are NOT being obedient to faith..they are being obedient to the law, which is NOT what leads us to righteousness. That comes from Christ ONLY

I honestly believe that most people look at the rules instead of the rewards..negatives instead of positives.. The Gospel is called The GOOD NEWS..Which is Good News? We are righteous through jesus christ or obey ALL those rules to become righteous? I have personally found that when I understood who I was In Crist, the rules were easier to obey because I didnt focus on my failures, I focused on Jesus..I WANT to obey now..There is a big difference Skom.

But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

We are righteous when we are IN Christ..You are a believer, so therefore YOU are declared righteous by God, BECAUSE of Jesus.

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#473165 Dec 29, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Praise The Lord. On that good note I think I'll take it. Smile. Welp, I have to head on out for a little bit to take care of some things but Lordwilling I can post later. Have a good one... everyone also have a good day.
Quin
Ok..Have a great afternoon. I have another essay to write for my Human Service Class. I have Good News though..I received a certificate in the mail yesterday..I made The DEANS LIST..Praise God!! I made a grade point average of 3.40 to 3.95 last semester. God Loves us and every part of our life is important to Him too. If it concerns us ( His Beloved Children) It concerns Him also.:) God is so good to us.

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#473167 Dec 29, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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BTW I happened to use 2 plus 2 equals 4 myself to show how easily even that can be distorted if someone wants to. And while to those who know the Bible pretty well feel the distortions are as obvious as saying 2 plus 2 isn't 4, if someone doesn't know the Bible that well it is easier to twist things for them
And my point was it should not have holes in it. Take Leviticus for one example atheist and agnostics will tear it to shreds..........Did it even need to be included? Does it have to be there to get to: Christ died for your sins, have faith?

People have masters degrees in biblical study and cant agree on things. Really God? Does it have to be that complex? Couldn't you leave out the contradictions or for arguements sake, what seem to be contradictions?

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