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#471453 Dec 19, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
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Interesing.
To me it is ike yelling "Stay out of the road" after your child is hit by a car.
The "freewill" arguement can only go so far with a "loving God" IMHO.
Well I do think people still could be saved in the OT and if it was in part based on the promise of a Savior to come then not much else God is going to do well allowing us free will. See to me that is kind of the double-standard that people reject (and rightfully so imo) "the devil made me do it" as it is obvious we have free will. Even if someone wants to argue it is within the limits of our options, what free will wouldn't be and it is still free will. But my point is then how do we blame God for not intervening when doing so essentially eliminates free will? I think God gave us the warnings in plenty of time and man disregarded them. Could God have prevented man from going off-track? I am sure he could but seems like there would be little point in doing so if it eliminated our freedom of thought and choice.

I would love to know the answers to a lot of things but the one thing I feel certain of is that we must have free-will for this whole thing to work correctly. Without how can anyone be held accountable for anything or rewarded for anything and what would even be the point of creating a bunch of animated puppets basically?

I understand the temptation to feel like "how can God let such a thing happen?" but if he doesn't then all the things like love and friendship and joy isn't real as we have been programmed to think and react in certain ways. I have thought about this a lot and maybe yeah a would trade a sliver of autonomy to remove some fundamental flaws in my nature but I would never trade-free will in general as that is what makes us who we are. I think God loves us but sometimes it is like loving someone on drugs. Until they decide to help themselves all anybody else is doing is putting a band-aid on the situation for a minute or two and then the problems start all over again. Man can turn to God for help but God isn't gonna to force us to act right imo

(T) Peace

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#471454 Dec 19, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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Dang that's a hot one! lol
I have been out of the loop, is there another Camping-type prediction for this Friday? If it is a joke and went over my head I am blaming it on the fall:)
(T) Peace
Morn SkomDude ...
It's a myth created by Indians in South America ...Inca's or Mayan's or somebody, hundreds of thousands of years ago. Google 12/21/2012 and you should find some info.

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#471455 Dec 19, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
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OK...since I showed you how to stick out your tongue....Ya gotta have the Head too....
Like this.....:-P~
THE HEAD you say.lol No problem is some just do not know how to play and have a bit of fun.Dumbo the rinno does not understand receipts nor scripture.You know what they say never bite the hand that tries to feed you.Dumbo the rinno is a a grumphy grooch :-P~lol I stand corrected thanks forgot the head.LW still gonna play anyway.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#471456 Dec 19, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Dang that's a hot one! lol
I have been out of the loop, is there another Camping-type prediction for this Friday? If it is a joke and went over my head I am blaming it on the fall:)
(T) Peace
You know, then end of the Mayan calendar is 12/21/2012.

And about that bump on the head. That is one of the points of emphasis this year in high school basketball. We, as officials are to be on the lookout for any excessive elbow swinging, which without contact is a violation. In the case of contact, it could be a common or intentional foul. And in the case of contact above the shoulders, at a minimum, it is an intentional foul and even could be a flagrant foul in which ejection from the game is part of the penalty. And from what I am seeing, emphasis on reducing head injuries is paramount in all sports, which is a good thing. It's kind of hard to function properly if the brain isn't working right.

Hope all of your symptoms are gone by now.

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

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#471457 Dec 19, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Dang that's a hot one! lol
I have been out of the loop, is there another Camping-type prediction for this Friday? If it is a joke and went over my head I am blaming it on the fall:)
(T) Peace
Hey Skom, Friday was the final date on the mayan calendar. So those the love to jump on any doomsday scenario they can are promoting Friday (12/21/12) as the end of the world.
Chris Clearwater

Largo, FL

#471458 Dec 19, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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Amen, Sis. It's all about Him.
Hope y'all have a grand Christmas season.
Good day everyone. What you say Drew is it! The Lord Jesus is the only one we can brag on. I saw X posted yesterday in another forum and posted there too. As can happen with topix its too easy to get into petty things. Sorry to say I did get caught up in the flesh. Hard to deal with things this year with the events of Friday. My sister is a teacher of 4th graders and this just breaks my heart. But as you say bro it is all about Him, thankful He has the final word. Praying...

Since: Mar 09

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#471459 Dec 19, 2012
hick-up wrote:
<quoted text>
Morn SkomDude ...
It's a myth created by Indians in South America ...Inca's or Mayan's or somebody, hundreds of thousands of years ago. Google 12/21/2012 and you should find some info.
Morning hu

Ah, I guess I totally forgot about the Mayan prediction. I remember knowing the date when the first Camping prediction surfaced but never would have remembered the connection today. Appreciate the info.

Thanks

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#471460 Dec 19, 2012
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
You know, then end of the Mayan calendar is 12/21/2012.
Thank you
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
And about that bump on the head. That is one of the points of emphasis this year in high school basketball. We, as officials are to be on the lookout for any excessive elbow swinging, which without contact is a violation. In the case of contact, it could be a common or intentional foul. And in the case of contact above the shoulders, at a minimum, it is an intentional foul and even could be a flagrant foul in which ejection from the game is part of the penalty. And from what I am seeing, emphasis on reducing head injuries is paramount in all sports, which is a good thing. It's kind of hard to function properly if the brain isn't working right.
Hope all of your symptoms are gone by now.
Yeah thanks, I am feeling back to normal now. And yeah I agree, head injuries should be a point of emphasis. People don't see the aftermath of the star running backs or hockey players or whoever that are out of the game at age 30 and drooling on themselves at age 40. As complicated as the human body is and especially the brain it is a frighteningly fragile system at times. They need to protect these athletes, even from themselves as now players have to sit out if diagnosed with a concussion when before they would go back in and play. I know a lot of the professional leagues are more concerned with the medical costs and lawsuits then the player's health imo but it is good to see either way that the example is being followed on the lower levels and on levels where safety actually is the focus

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#471461 Dec 19, 2012
Red Apples wrote:
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Hey Skom, Friday was the final date on the mayan calendar. So those the love to jump on any doomsday scenario they can are promoting Friday (12/21/12) as the end of the world.
Hey John

Thanks bro, I think I was the only one who didn't know what Fri was!

Lazy Mayans, dooming us all because they can't make a longer calendar! LOL

I actually have to look it up now to see the actual reason they thought this was the day and why their calendar only went up to it. I had to look up the story of Rumpelstiltskin yesterday too even though I was the one that used the reference as I didn't remember at all it was about some mill workers daughter that he lied about her being able to spin straw into gold and the king kept making her do more and more which was really being done by a magic imp that showed up! I love Google!

(T) Peace

(T) Peace

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#471462 Dec 19, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Good day everyone. What you say Drew is it! The Lord Jesus is the only one we can brag on. I saw X posted yesterday in another forum and posted there too. As can happen with topix its too easy to get into petty things. Sorry to say I did get caught up in the flesh. Hard to deal with things this year with the events of Friday. My sister is a teacher of 4th graders and this just breaks my heart. But as you say bro it is all about Him, thankful He has the final word. Praying...
Yeah, Chris, and when people start acknowledging and practicing that, then they will take the focus off of themselves and put it where it needs to be.

And it's true that we all get caught up in the flesh on occasion, but thank God we have the Holy Spirit to remind us who we are and what He did for us.

Hope y'all have a Merry Christmas. Praying with you.

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#471463 Dec 19, 2012
Chris Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>
Good day everyone. What you say Drew is it! The Lord Jesus is the only one we can brag on. I saw X posted yesterday in another forum and posted there too. As can happen with topix its too easy to get into petty things. Sorry to say I did get caught up in the flesh. Hard to deal with things this year with the events of Friday. My sister is a teacher of 4th graders and this just breaks my heart. But as you say bro it is all about Him, thankful He has the final word. Praying...
Love to you ((((((Brother Chris))))))))

I cry each time I see children <3 In real life or on television- we all have some grieving to do.
This helps me.
~*~*~*~*~

twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38
when 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate.
their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air.
they could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
they were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.
they remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"this is heaven." declared a small boy. "we're spending Christmas at God's ho...use."
when what to their wondering eyes did appear,
but Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
and in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring
those children all flew into the arms of their King
and as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace,
one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
and as if He could read all the questions she had
He gently whispered to her, "I'll take care of mom and dad."
then He looked down on earth, the world far below
He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe
then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"may this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"come now my children, let me show you around."
excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
all displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
and i heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight,
"in the midst of this darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT."

Written by Cameo Smith, Mt. Wolf, PA

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#471464 Dec 19, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you
<quoted text>
Yeah thanks, I am feeling back to normal now. And yeah I agree, head injuries should be a point of emphasis. People don't see the aftermath of the star running backs or hockey players or whoever that are out of the game at age 30 and drooling on themselves at age 40. As complicated as the human body is and especially the brain it is a frighteningly fragile system at times. They need to protect these athletes, even from themselves as now players have to sit out if diagnosed with a concussion when before they would go back in and play. I know a lot of the professional leagues are more concerned with the medical costs and lawsuits then the player's health imo but it is good to see either way that the example is being followed on the lower levels and on levels where safety actually is the focus
(T) Peace
In the pregame meeting with the team captains, I always emphasize that safety and sportsmanship are paramount.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#471466 Dec 19, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>It was bizarre the first few days. I felt like my thoughts were in slow motion. My dad heard the 'thump' as my feet went out from under me and the back of my head nailed the counter behind me and said I was pretty much out for like 30 seconds. In all my years of boxing (and there were times when I boxed with guys who went professional where getting caught by them felt like taking a bat to the upside of the head) I never experienced anything that affected my thought-process. I called the hospital and they said pretty much they can't do squat if its a concussion but make sure not to sleep for like 6 hours and if symptoms persisted for longer than 3-4 days I could come in for a catscan. When I went to bed that night I slept 14 hours!
Anyway, all is good now as yesterday I really turned the corner and today feel rested and good when I woke up. But i hear ya on it being nothing to fool around with. Thanks for the kind words. And if I am ever down there throw in a football game on TV with the two dogs to play with and you got yourself a deal:)
(T) Peace
OK...It will have to be Carolina Panthers or Atlanta Falcons...:-)

FYI....one of the three dogs is a full blooded Rottweiler who is a year old and weighs 101 pounds...and LOVES to play.....:-)

“Romans 8:1.”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#471467 Dec 19, 2012
Truths wrote:
<quoted text>
Love to you ((((((Brother Chris))))))))
I cry each time I see children <3 In real life or on television- we all have some grieving to do.
This helps me.
~*~*~*~*~
twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38
when 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate.
their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air.
they could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there.
they were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say.
they remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day.
"where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse.
"this is heaven." declared a small boy. "we're spending Christmas at God's ho...use."
when what to their wondering eyes did appear,
but Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near.
He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same.
then He opened His arms and He called them by name.
and in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring
those children all flew into the arms of their King
and as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace,
one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face.
and as if He could read all the questions she had
He gently whispered to her, "I'll take care of mom and dad."
then He looked down on earth, the world far below
He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe
then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand,
"Let My power and presence re-enter this land!"
"may this country be delivered from the hands of fools"
"I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!"
then He and the children stood up without a sound.
"come now my children, let me show you around."
excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran.
all displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can.
and i heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight,
"in the midst of this darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT."
Written by Cameo Smith, Mt. Wolf, PA
That was beautiful, thanks for sharing it with us.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#471468 Dec 19, 2012
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Epster!!!!
I'm headin out to the 'natti' in Feb on a business trip. Isnt there some famous chili place i should try out there? Or is that Cleveland?
This is what I see, I know you MAY disagree and many WILL disagree, but the bible is full of holes and contradictions at worst and at best is a very complicated book to understand. Hell many devote their lives to studying it. Based on that I am somehow suppose to decide to throw away everything that makes sense in my life and believe an impossible and improbable story, all for free will.
Had he made the book simple and to the point w/o contradiction, I could still have free will. According to folklore my decision will ring in an afterlife of bliss or torture. There is no other way to see that as anything but evil at worst cruel at best. JMO.
Cincinatti..huh? Sorry I can't help you...I have never been there. My Mom lived there during WWII and worked in a Gin factory (kinda a LaVerne and Shirley thing...my Mom would have been LaVerne)....LOL....But Cleveland would have to be the Perogi because there is alot of Polish people there.
Get ready for the Snow Storm coming in....

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#471469 Dec 19, 2012
Drew H wrote:
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Amen, Sis. It's all about Him.
Hope y'all have a grand Christmas season.
You too....Prayers for Kim as she goes through her surgery

Merry Christmas

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#471470 Dec 19, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
THE HEAD you say.lol No problem is some just do not know how to play and have a bit of fun.Dumbo the rinno does not understand receipts nor scripture.You know what they say never bite the hand that tries to feed you.Dumbo the rinno is a a grumphy grooch :-P~lol I stand corrected thanks forgot the head.LW still gonna play anyway.
Play all you like....:-)

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#471471 Dec 19, 2012
Epiphany2 wrote:
<quoted text>
You too....Prayers for Kim as she goes through her surgery
Merry Christmas
She says, "Thank you very much."

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#471472 Dec 19, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey John
Thanks bro, I think I was the only one who didn't know what Fri was!
Lazy Mayans, dooming us all because they can't make a longer calendar! LOL
I actually have to look it up now to see the actual reason they thought this was the day and why their calendar only went up to it. I had to look up the story of Rumpelstiltskin yesterday too even though I was the one that used the reference as I didn't remember at all it was about some mill workers daughter that he lied about her being able to spin straw into gold and the king kept making her do more and more which was really being done by a magic imp that showed up! I love Google!
(T) Peace
(T) Peace
I love Google too....I saw a cartoon of 2 Mayan warriors talking and one said "Hey putting 12/21/2012 as the last day of the world should really FREAK out alot of people around that time"....Ha Ha Ha!

“John 3:seventeen”

Since: Feb 07

God BELIEVES in YOU~

#471475 Dec 19, 2012
Red Apples wrote:
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That was beautiful, thanks for sharing it with us.
Your welcome ((((((Brother)))))))

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