Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#470945 Dec 15, 2012
hick-up wrote:
<quoted text>I couldn't say definitively. I have no knowledge and can't back it up.<quoted text>The authority's are now reporting the mother wasn't a teacher there ...no relation to the school at all.<quoted text>Okay, this is where I stopped. He is not here to ask or to examine. Three is enough. Thanks Skom.<quoted text>
All we can do is speculate even if the person was still alive but I thought that is what you were asking people to do.

If you wanted a definitive answer on whether God will condemn an insane person and whether how insane they have to be is a factor then obviously nobody can answer that

But that is my opinion anyway

Have a good one

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

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#470947 Dec 15, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
People living before the birth of Christ knew about Him,and the Plan of Salvatio,long before He was born in that manger. So they were just as responsible to make a choice about whether to accept Him,or not,as all of the people during and after His time were.
Throughout the ages thousands of people the world over have lived complete lives and never heard the Jesus story. If it weren't so there would be no need to go into the world to preach & convert.

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#470950 Dec 15, 2012
Hey Skom...

Part 2..The interesting part..The New Covenant. remember on Mt. Sinai. 50 days after FIRST Passover,10 commandments given, 3000 souls died..

On Mt Zion.."50" days after passover festival, The Holy Spirit came.ACTS 2:2-13 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.ACTS 2:16-21 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;....3000 souls were SAVED that day..

It is interesting to note that on the day Moses came down from the mountain 3000 were slain, but on the day the church was established in Mount Zion, 3000 were saved. The law of Moses was a law of spiritual death because nobody could keep it perfectly, but the law of Christ is a law of life because it provides for the forgiveness of our sins.

Exodus 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. AMEN...

hick-up

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#470951 Dec 15, 2012
Is it possible for a believer to lose their mind?

Is it possible for one whose name "is" written in the Lambs Book of Life to lose their mind ...to lose their mental faculty's to the point of becoming evil?

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#470952 Dec 15, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
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While I agree man can't match the level of love God has for us that is not what he asks of us. And yes I do believe someone can love God with all they have. But I am a little confused as to how you are tying this in to Jesus telling people to remain in his love and to receive eternal life they must obey the commandments. Forgive me if I am understanding this wrong but are you basically saying Jesus didn't really expect us to be able to follow either of the two greatest commandments and gave them to us anyway knowing we would fail instead of just telling us it isn't necessary since obedience isn't required to be saved?
I am not following the reasoning. I think Jesus told us those that obey (and he was telling this to believers so the faith was already implied) would have eternal life because that is what He requires of us. No we aren't capable of being perfect except when doing the will of the father but that is why there are verses such as:
James 5:19-20
My brothers if anyone among you wonders from the truth and someone brings him back, let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins
James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
Matthew 6
[14] For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
[15] but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
..because when we do continue to sin we can always still repent and be forgiven. But obviously repentance must be sincere.
But I definitely believe Jesus taught those things because he expected us to follow them
(T) Peace
We are under the obedience of Faith...Therefore, the law no longer has authority over us, since we belong to Christ, not to the law. Christ is the one we obey, His commandments are to LOVE.. so that we can bear spiritual fruit. The law is contrasted with Christ, and it is the old covenant law that Paul is talking about — the Torah, the Law portion of the Scriptures. We can be under the law, or under Christ. Being under both is not an option. If a Christian WANTS to remain under the Law...What sacrifice is there for them? They MUST OBEY ALL the Law..HOWEVER

A New Testament authority is needed before any old practices are imposed or required. That’s because the law of Moses, the old covenant, the Torah, is obsolete. We are not under that law; we are not obligated to keep laws that were given to the Israelites only..Remember the verse..For the Gentiles who HAVE NOT the Law?????? we are gentiles..

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#470953 Dec 15, 2012
hick-up wrote:
Is it possible for a believer to lose their mind?
Is it possible for one whose name "is" written in the Lambs Book of Life to lose their mind ...to lose their mental faculty's to the point of becoming evil?
2 Timothy.1:7 says NO...For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a "sound mind". How are you doing hick up???

Since: Mar 09

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#470954 Dec 15, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
Hey Skom...
Part 2..The interesting part..The New Covenant. remember on Mt. Sinai. 50 days after FIRST Passover,10 commandments given, 3000 souls died..
On Mt Zion.."50" days after passover festival, The Holy Spirit came.ACTS 2:2-13 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.ACTS 2:16-21 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;....3000 souls were SAVED that day..

Exodus 32:28 And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant--not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. AMEN...
I agree the sacrifice freed us from the curse of law

Galatians 3:13
"Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree"

Although the law wasn't abandoned because people couldn't follow it, it was because people were not following it correctly and there were errors

Hebrews 8:7
"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."

Under both however man could receive forgiveness for his sins through repentance

Isaiah 55:7
Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Yes the Age of Grace we are in provides a means for forgiveness of our sins and a way to be saved.

If we repent and ask for forgiveness God will forgive us. If we confess our sins to one another and pray for forgiveness God will forgive us. If we forgive others then God will forgive us.

Everything required of us basically falls under the two greatest commandments to love God and to love our neighbor. I we love God we will obey Him. If we love God we will remain faithful. If we love our neighbor we will forgive him just as Christ asks us to pray for our enemies and those who do us harm.

Jesus is very clear about obedience when talking to believers. He says it is required to stay in his love. He says if we obey him we will have eternal life. He did not tell the prostitute he saved from being stoned all your future sins are forgiven. He said "go out and sin no more"

Yes Moses brought the law and through Jesus is the saving grace. But throughout all four gospels the same message is repeated; repent, remain faithful, remain obedient.

But I understand this is probably as far as we will go on this at this time. I sincerely want to thank you for participating and giving your interpretations of that scripture as believe me that is a rarity. My reason for wanting this discussion was not to decide who is right or wrong or even with the expectation of changing your beliefs but rather in hopes of showing you why myself and some others believe as we do and what scripture we base it on. At bare minimum I think someone should be hard-pressed to tell others they are of the devil or lack faith when they offer no explanation for the words of Jesus Christ that specifically say what we believe. Could they all mean something else? It is possible. But it should be at least understandable in return why other believers may take them literally and they don't lack faith or trust because of it. In fact they are doing their best to follow exactly what they believe Jesus taught

Have a great night

(T) Peace

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#470955 Dec 15, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
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We are under the obedience of Faith...Therefore, the law no longer has authority over us, since we belong to Christ, not to the law. Christ is the one we obey, His commandments are to LOVE.. so that we can bear spiritual fruit.
Correct. Everything we do to be obedient is tied into loving God and our neighbor, brother, and enemy. But faith is not just a mental exercise. The following words by Christ explain it best:

Matthew 25:31-46
"Then he will say to those on his left,'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
"They also will answer,'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'"He will reply,'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Grace Walker wrote:
<quoted text>Remember the verse..For the Gentiles who HAVE NOT the Law?????? we are gentiles..
Salvation is the same for the Jew and the Gentile

Galatians 3:28
Romans 10:12

(T) Peace
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#470956 Dec 15, 2012
Part 1
You all might find this interesting.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-sa...
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Question: "Can a Christian lose salvation?"

Answer: Before this question is answered, the term “Christian” must be defined. A “Christian” is not a person who has said a prayer, or walked down an aisle, or been raised in a Christian family. While each of these things can be a part of the Christian experience, they are not what “makes” a Christian. A Christian is a person who has, by faith, received and fully trusted in Jesus Christ as the only Savior (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9).
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So, with this definition in mind, can a Christian lose salvation? Perhaps the best way to answer this crucially important question is to examine what the Bible says occurs at salvation, and to study what losing salvation would therefore entail. Here are a few examples:
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A Christian is a new creation.“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!”(2 Corinthians 5:17). This verse speaks of a person becoming an entirely new creature as a result of being “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be canceled and reversed.
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A Christian is redeemed.“For you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed down to you from your forefathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect”(1 Peter 1:18-19). The word “redeemed” refers to a purchase being made, a price being paid. For a Christian to lose salvation, God Himself would have to revoke His purchase that He paid for with the precious blood of Christ.
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A Christian is justified.“Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”(Romans 5:1). To “justify” means to “declare righteous.” All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared.
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A Christian is promised eternal life.“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life”(John 3:16). Eternal life is a promise of eternity (forever) in heaven with God. God promises,“Believe and you will have eternal life.” For a Christian to lose salvation, eternal life would have to be taken away. If a Christian is promised to live forever, how then can God break this promise by taking away eternal life?
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A Christian is guaranteed glorification.“And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified”(Romans 8:30). As we learned in Romans 5:1, justification is declared at the moment of faith. According to Romans 8:30, glorification is guaranteed for all those whom God justifies. Glorification refers to a Christian receiving a perfect resurrection body in heaven. If a Christian can lose salvation, then Romans 8:30 is in error, because God could not guarantee glorification for all those whom He predestines, calls, and justifies.
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Continued
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#470957 Dec 15, 2012
Part 2
Many more illustrations of what occurs at salvation could be shared. Even these few make it abundantly clear that a Christian cannot lose salvation. Most, if not all, of what the Bible says happens to us when we receive Jesus Christ as Savior would be invalidated if salvation could be lost. Salvation cannot be reversed. A Christian cannot be un-newly created. Redemption cannot be undone. Eternal life cannot be lost and still be considered eternal. If a Christian can lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and change His mind—two things that Scripture tells us God never does.
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The most frequent objections to the belief that a Christian cannot lose salvation are 1) What about those who are Christians and continually live an immoral lifestyle? 2) What about those who are Christians but later reject the faith and deny Christ? The problem with these two objections is the phrase “who are Christians.” The Bible declares that a true Christian will not live a continually immoral lifestyle (1 John 3:6). The Bible declares that anyone who departs the faith is demonstrating that he never truly was a Christian (1 John 2:19). Therefore, neither objection is valid. Christians do not continually live immoral lifestyles, nor do they reject the faith and deny Christ. Such actions are proof that they were never redeemed.
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No, a Christian cannot lose salvation. Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39). Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29). God is both willing and able to guarantee and maintain the salvation He has given us. Jude 24-25,“To Him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy—to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen.”
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Recommended Resource: Eternal Security by Charles Stanley.
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#470958 Dec 15, 2012
Here is another one.
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http://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always...
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Question: "Once saved always saved?"
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Answer: Once a person is saved are they always saved? When people come to know Christ as their Savior, they are brought into a relationship with God that guarantees their salvation as eternally secure. Numerous passages of Scripture declare this fact.
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(a) Romans 8:30 declares, "And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified." This verse tells us that from the moment God chooses us, it is as if we are glorified in His presence in heaven. There is nothing that can prevent a believer from one day being glorified because God has already purposed it in heaven. Once a person is justified, his salvation is guaranteed - he is as secure as if he is already glorified in heaven.
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(b) Paul asks two crucial questions in Romans 8:33-34 "Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died more than that, who was raised to life - is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us." Who will bring a charge against God's elect? No one will, because Christ is our advocate. Who will condemn us? No one will, because Christ, the One who died for us, is the one who condemns. We have both the advocate and judge as our Savior.
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(c) Believers are born again (regenerated) when they believe (John 3:3; Titus 3:5). For a Christian to lose his salvation, he would have to be un-regenerated. The Bible gives no evidence that the new birth can be taken away.
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(d) The Holy Spirit indwells all believers (John 14:17; Romans 8:9) and baptizes all believers into the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:13). For a believer to become unsaved, he would have to be "un-indwelt" and detached from the Body of Christ.
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(e) John 3:15 states that whoever believes in Jesus Christ will "have eternal life." If you believe in Christ today and have eternal life, but lose it tomorrow, then it was never "eternal" at all. Hence if you lose your salvation, the promises of eternal life in the Bible would be in error.
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(f) For the most conclusive argument, Scripture says it best itself, "For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39). Remember the same God who saved you is the same God who will keep you. Once we are saved we are always saved. Our salvation is most definitely eternally secure!
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Recommended Resource: Eternal Security by Charles Stanley.
Here For Now

Knoxville, TN

#470959 Dec 15, 2012
Goodnight you all
HFN

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#470961 Dec 15, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>And you're far more STOOPID than a real human being with a working brain should be.
In other words you haven't a clue.

Didn't think you did.

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#470962 Dec 15, 2012
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Yes we are reygulars, and are here far more often then you are, and of course like many people, conveying God's truth through the pureness of his Word always skake up the fragile "christian" beliefs of those like yourself, but you've just said the magic words yourself..........you can't see.
Peace.
In my opinion- you aren't regulars.

Not that it matters to me- yet you felt you had to remind RG
of that fact.

I believe you to be an elitist.

You have failed in every thread you have bullied
yourself into.All in the name of the Lord..Shame on you.

Even here- you have insulted some of our most beloved..
Again- you claim you do it in the Name of Christ?

I truly believe you are not doing the "good works" here
on earth that you think you are.I don't think any "blow hard for Jesus"
is..

I know, I know, I am picking on you..
Sorry. Don't mean to be.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#470963 Dec 15, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
People living before the birth of Christ knew about Him,and the Plan of Salvatio,long before He was born in that manger. So they were just as responsible to make a choice about whether to accept Him,or not,as all of the people during and after His time were.
How did the people before Moses wrote anything, before the prophets wrote anything, know a damn thing about your religion ?

You have a billion souls in Hell because God didn't bother to speak up until after they were all long dead.

That is one POS deity.

Since: Mar 09

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#470964 Dec 15, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
Part 1
This verse speaks of a person becoming an entirely new creature as a result of being “in Christ.” For a Christian to lose salvation, the new creation would have to be canceled and reversed.
But how does one remain IN CHRIST? He tells us

John 15
3You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. 4Remain in me, and I will remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me.

10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
Here For Now wrote:
A Christian is justified.“Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ”(Romans 5:1). To “justify” means to “declare righteous.” All those who receive Jesus as Savior are “declared righteous” by God. For a Christian to lose salvation, God would have to go back on His Word and “un-declare” what He had previously declared.
This is true but we have to take all scripture into account. It says nothing of repentance yet that is required. And according to the same book of Romans how we define righteousness is not simply hearing the word as then we only fool ourselves but by doing what it says is how we are judged righteous by God

Romans 2:13
For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
Here For Now wrote:
A Christian is promised eternal life. how then can God break this promise by taking away eternal life?
He won't. But Jesus never promised eternal life solely on faith unless we isolate scripture and do not take others into account. Jesus also said for us to receive eternal life we must obey the commandments

Matthew 19:16-17
Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?" Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
Here For Now wrote:
A Christian is guaranteed glorification.
Depends I guess how Christian is defined but a believer is not. Some will fall away. Even to receive the Holy Spirit one must be obedient

Luke 8:13
They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away

Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”

You know I respect ya HFN so not gonna go to far with this but will wrap up just saying one thing. There are three things you will not find in the bible. A distinction between a "true believer" and a believer, anything about a Berma seat, or there being two books of life. IMO they were invented to explain away things that can't be. But what is found is Jesus saying over and over again that obedience is required and without it we will not remain in his love but with it we will have eternal life

Anyway, have a great night my friend

(T) Peace

Since: Mar 09

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#470965 Dec 15, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
Part 2
Nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love (Romans 8:38-39).
Nothing can remove a Christian from God’s hand (John 10:28-29).
Except a believer himself

2Timothy 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

John 15
10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.

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#470966 Dec 15, 2012
G_O_D wrote:
So how will the billions of peole who died before Jesus was born be saved ?
Are they all in Hell ?
If so, God is really far more evil than atheists claim. They never even had a chance.
I promised myself I wasn't going to visit this thread again today and considering who wrote the post I'm composing this reply to, I also know I'm probably tilting at windmills :s Nevertheless, I'll try.

Those who were saved BEFORE Jesus' earthly lifetime were saved the same way as those during & after His earthly lifetime--by God's grace given to those who had/have faith in their Savior. The difference between those who lived before & those who lived after His earthly lifetime is that those who lived BEFORE had faith in a Savior TO come, and those who lived AFTER had or have faith in a Savior who HAS come.

The Promise of a Savior was given first to Adam & Eve, in the Garden of Eden:

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”

In this, the first Promise in the Bible, God was telling Adam & Eve that one day they would be restored to all they had lost by disobeying Him, and was also telling Satan that he would ultimately be conquered and destroyed forever. Now, if God did not mean for Adam & Eve to be saved, why would He have given the very first Promise of a Savior to THEM?

As further proof that salvation was always by grace through faith in a Savior even before Jesus' earthly lifetime, I offer this passage from Paul, sometimes known as "the Roll Call of the Faithful."

Hebrews 11 Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see. 2 This is what the ancients were commended for...

...4 By faith Abel brought God a better offering than Cain did. By faith he was commended as righteous, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith Abel still speaks, even though he is dead.

5 By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death...he was commended as one who pleased God. 6 AND WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PLEASE GOD, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

7 By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that is in keeping with faith...

8 By faith Abraham...made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country...11 And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. 12 And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as...countless as the sand on the seashore.

...23 By faith Moses’ parents hid him for three months after he was born, because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king’s edict.

24 By faith Moses...refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the...pleasures of sin. 26 HE REGARDED DISGRACE FOR THE SAKE OF CHRIST AS OF GREATER VALUE than the treasures of Egypt...27 By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger; he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. 28 By faith he kept the Passover and the application of blood, so that the destroyer of the firstborn would not touch the firstborn of Israel.

29 By faith the people passed through the Red Sea as on dry land; but when the Egyptians tried to do so, they were drowned.

30 By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.

31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.

32 And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson and Jephthah, about David and Samuel and the prophets...

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#470967 Dec 15, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
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....Those who were saved BEFORE Jesus' earthly lifetime were saved the same way as those during & after His earthly lifetime--by God's grace given to those who had/have faith in their Savior. The difference between those who lived before & those who lived after His earthly lifetime is that those who lived BEFORE had faith in a Savior TO come, and those who lived AFTER had or have faith in a Savior who HAS come.....
The same arguement DR made.

What about the Billions of people who lived before Moses and the prophets ? What about the billions who never heard of any of the Jewish or Christian suff ?

Either your interpretation is flawed or God is one evil SOB.

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#470968 Dec 15, 2012
Here For Now wrote:
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I’m still not feeling myself so was just going to read some till I read this.
With all due respect Lawest, Le Le and Roberta have been posting with us for years. And with all due respect you have not shaken me with your words. You are free to believe what you want and so am I. I am not fragile and I believe once saved always saved. Neither are Le Le and Roberta fragile.
I’m not saying you are not wanted here but Le Le and Roberta are wanted here too.
HFN
Hi HRN,

You are one of the most respected posters on this thread..
Tried and true..
:)

Thank you, Thank you!

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