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#470597 Dec 13, 2012
For those of us who have accepted Christ's sacrifice, we know that although we did not literally share his pain on the cross, this does not mean that it was not real for us. Jesus' pain and death were a real event and His suffering will be felt for all time. Each of us will carry a piece of that memory with us as we understand that every time we sin, that sin was in part responsible for the agony he endured that day. We know that our sin has real consequence and knowing that this consequence was suffered by someone totally innocent makes it all the more real. As Christians we still stumble and sin from time to time, yet we know that the Holy Spirit is working to purify us and make us holy. Each time we sin, the Holy Spirit reminds us of what Jesus did for us, so that we do not fall back into our old ways.

To be saved from sin, you must accept what He has done and express to Him that He is our Lord and Savior, for God will not force you to accept his offer of salvation. Once you have made this choice, when God looks upon you, he will no longer see the stain of your sin. He will see only the righteousness of His Son who clothes and surrounds you. With the holiness of Jesus in your life, you can stand before God and He will accept you because of the sacrifice His perfect Son has made. That is God's plan for salvation and that is how we can truly be saved.
There is nothing we can do on our own to find forgiveness..Its by His Grace Alone
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#470598 Dec 13, 2012
Hello Shrink. Hello Mrs.Grace. Ya'll aight tonight??
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#470599 Dec 13, 2012
hick-up wrote:
<quoted text>
Shhhh, go to sleep shrinky dink.
Hello Mr. Daffy Dork.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#470600 Dec 13, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Drew
Thanks for the article, interesting stuff. I didn't know that Hebrews verse was talking about those returning to Judaism. That definitely shines some light on what the author had in mind when talking about deliberate sin and crucifying Christ again. I know Paul also spoke of those that left the faith for Judaism or to return to it that they were never part of it.
Personally I feel there is a third interpretation from the standard Armenian or Calvanist approach and that is that what we receive now is the PROMISE of salvation and are spared judgement so long as we remain in Christ which we do by remaining faithful and obedient.
1Peter4:17-19
For it is time for judgment to begin with Godís household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?ďIf it is hard for the righteous to be saved,what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?Ē So then, those who suffer according to Godís will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.
Romans 2:5-8
"But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God's wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. God "will give to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger."
John 15
6If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned. 9"As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father's commands and remain in his love.
But to me all three views essentially boil down to the same thing. Sure one view says a true believer would never turn his back on God. Another says if one does he is like a dog returning to his vomit and is worse off than had he never known the truth. And a third is that we must finish the race to receive the reward. But the bottom line in all three is that someone remains committed to Christ. Regardless of how salvation is viewed or when if someone does that Christ has told us we will be saved. And I think everyone can agree regardless of the implications as far as whether someone believed or was saved or whatever that it essentially would take someone breaking from the faith and God to face judgement.
Hope all is going well with you. I am really looking forward to the holidays. Talk to you soon
(T) Peace
Hi Steve, Yes I am looking forward to the holidays. My wife is scheduled for surgery on the 21st of December, just one day after her Christmas break begins, but she should be back to normal before she goes back to work.

Now I think you will remember some time ago we had a discussion about who the Bible was written to and that I said that certain parts were written to certain people. Well, when this is not understood, then scriptures get taken out of context. I also said that the scriptures need to be rightly divided so that understanding can be more clear. Hebrews is written to Hebrews (Jews). this is no mention of Gentiles in the book. The warnings are for the Jews who converted to Christianity, but some of them couldn't let go of Judaism. In other words, they were still relying on themselves to produce righteousness. The general epistles, Hebrews through Jude are alike. They are all written to the Jews, not to the Gentiles.

And it gets deeper and I will try, in the near future, in a continuous discussion, to clarify this. So, due to time and space constraints, I will say this; I believe with all my heart, that if God has truly illuminated an individual, they will persevere til the end.

Take care and I appreciate the shout.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#470601 Dec 13, 2012

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#470602 Dec 13, 2012
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
Luke 19:41-44
Matthew 23:37&38
See Matthew 23:29-35
See John 19:15
See Acts 4-8
Matthew 23:3-14
See Philippian 4:22
See Colossians 1:23
Luke 21:20
Matthew 24:15
See Matthew 24:36-44
See Luke 21:34-36
See 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6
Matthew 21:17-24
See Deuteronomy 28:47-53
See Daniel 7:25
See Revelation 12:6
Great Prophecy
Luke 21:25
Matthew 24:29
Mark 13:24&25
See Joel 2:30&31 and 3:15
See Isaiah 13:10
See Amos 8:9
In sun,moon and stars

Luke 21:25,26,27,28,31,34,35,39,44, 48-51
See Matthews 24:30
World conditions

Daniel 12:4
Daniel 11:35
Matthew 24:14&33
Knowledge increased

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Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#470603 Dec 13, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Drew
Asking sincerely here, do you not feel bad when you sin? I don't know why you would think that would be coming from satan. People always agree that even once-saved is not a license to sin but what else would a license to sin be then to sin and not feel bad about it? I mean other than perhaps the frequency of the sin but to me it isn't about whether say I sinned 5 times last week and someone else sinned once or 20 times, it is about wanting to please God and do the right thing. The Bible says if we love God we will obey the commandments. How can anyone IN Christ feel anything but disappointed in themselves or bad when they sin?
I don't want to put words in your mouth so please correct me if i am mistaken but are you basically saying a believer has no reason to feel bad about his sins because they are forgiven?
Honestly just curious.
(T) Peace
When I knowingly sin, I do feel conviction from the Holy Spirit. He reminds me what Jesus did for me, and that does make me feel bad. However, there are times when we all sin unknowingly and we are not immediately convicted. It may come at a later time, and when this happens to me, I am brought to repentance.

However, the Bible does say that Satan is the accuser of the brethren, and it is he that influences our mind by trying to convince us that we can't do good enough for God, so why even try. And if we listen to his lies and act accordingly, it harms our witness. So he wins and God's kingdom is hindered and that makes Satan happy in that he gets some satisfaction knowing that he has placed that hindrance there.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#470604 Dec 13, 2012
Grace Walker wrote:
There had to be more to living for God then a list of rules and struggling
The law was given with the intention of re-establishing what was lost in the garden. From the beginning, the law was to assist us in building a relationship with the epitome of righteousness. What was expected then is expected now. We're to learn the spiritual aspects of the law until we no longer need the law as a guide. This is where Israel failed, but where we're supposed to succeed.
Grace Walker wrote:
to be sombody that I just could not be.
Such a thought hinders spiritual growth. If we couldn't reflect our Godhead, no such instructions would exist.
Grace Walker wrote:
Jesus knew we could NOT live up to Gods standards...before we became a believer and AFTER we became a believer.
Incorrect, my friend.

Our anointed Savior not only came to be a perfect example of how we all should think, act, react, and speak, but he taught us how to accomplish this, also, by teaching us the spiritual aspects of the law. Knowing that perfection is a gradual process, we've been granted sufficient grace to help each and every one of us, in times of need.
Grace Walker wrote:
THATS why He came and thats WHY He suffered the most horrible death known to man.
He came to reform Judaism, first and foremost. He came to fulfill what Israel became dependent on. He came to fulfill those laws that Israel considered greater, or even preferred more, than actual obedience to the moral law of love.
Grace Walker wrote:
He didnt do that and then "put us on probation" ..Just to watch us fail.
Not to watch us fail, no. But, this is a probationary period. "Grace," after all, is synonymous with "probation," is it not? We've been given grace, which means that the judgment of death has been removed for a time. During this period, we're to (re-)condition our minds and hearts to live according to the spiritual aspects of the law, as this will prove our desire to live in the kingdom of glory.
Grace Walker wrote:
Why do you think He added an even stricter rules to the already strict rules?
Actually, he didn't. He taught what the nation of Israel neglected. Does not Proverbs 24:9 warn, "The thought of foolishness is sin"? It might seem more strict, but the intention is to eradicate temptation, as temptations come from within.
Grace Walker wrote:
You dont even know how to rightly divide the scriptures yet.
...says the member of only one of the myriad of denominations that accuse all others of the same.
Grace Walker wrote:
The bible tells us to leave the childish behavior behind and go on to more mature teachings. You wont listen to the more mature teachings because you want everybody to listen to YOU...
Of a surety, the prophets, apostles, and disciples, were all accused of the same.
Grace Walker wrote:
If you desire to be a preacher, preach the truth!!! Did you know that the "Gospel" doesn't even begin until the Book of Acts? No, You probably still think as a immature babe in Christ and assume it is Matthew through Luke, just because theirs is called the Gospel of...so and so...Learn the Gospel of Jesus Christ and you wont be so quick to assume ANYTHING..
The books called "Matthew," "Mark," "Luke," and "John," are still "the gospel." This is why, at Luke 4:18, our anointed Savior is quoted as quoting the prophet Isaiah. "Gospel" means "good news."
Grace Walker wrote:
have a good evening and simply ask God to reveal to you HIS truth instead of the man behind the pulpit.
If you don't mind my asking, where do you receive your knowledge? And please, don't say, "the Holy Spirit," as you'll be only one of a billion plus.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Until next time...

Shalowm.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#470605 Dec 13, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>There are a lot of people attending,and actively being involved in,churches who are 'stone cold' UNSAVED.
And I'm talking about as in NEVER HAVING BEEN SAVED.
endtime

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#470606 Dec 13, 2012
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“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#470607 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Good Afternoon Drew... it was pretty much the same thing here last night. I'm sorry Drew but I missed (not on purpose). Can you please resend? Thanks.
http://www.bibleissues.org/eternal_security1....

There you go Q. It is a good article.

Happy reading. I wish I had more time to spend here, but I'm pretty busy teaching, reffing and tutoring. Got to take care of the young people, you know.

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#470608 Dec 13, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hello Mr. Daffy Dork.
mongoloid ...

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#470609 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I believe that one should read the whole chapter of Eph 2 in context... with all due respect, It is written:
"For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."
I think you meant James 2, not Ephesians 2. And I'm going to be posting in the near future some things about rightly dividing and the general epistles, that were written specifically to Jewish believers. Just be patient and hear me out.

“Messenger w/ a Message”

Since: Sep 07

planet earth, for now

#470610 Dec 13, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>I certainly can't argue with that :) But I've never heard of the London Confession.
You can google it. It is a very good study.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#470611 Dec 13, 2012
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Hello Shrink. Hello Mrs.Grace. Ya'll aight tonight??
Hi Dr..
I am doing great tonight. Feeling very blessed and loved by our Heavenly Father. He loves us so much. Have a great night and sleep peacefully my friend.
Simplyput

Aurora, CO

#470612 Dec 13, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>The law was given with the intention of re-establishing what was lost in the garden. From the beginning, the law was to assist us in building a relationship with the epitome of righteousness. What was expected then is expected now. We're to learn the spiritual aspects of the law until we no longer need the law as a guide. This is where Israel failed, but where we're supposed to succeed.
<quoted text>Such a thought hinders spiritual growth. If we couldn't reflect our Godhead, no such instructions would exist.
<quoted text>Incorrect, my friend.
Our anointed Savior not only came to be a perfect example of how we all should think, act, react, and speak, but he taught us how to accomplish this, also, by teaching us the spiritual aspects of the law. Knowing that perfection is a gradual process, we've been granted sufficient grace to help each and every one of us, in times of need.
<quoted text>He came to reform Judaism, first and foremost. He came to fulfill what Israel became dependent on. He came to fulfill those laws that Israel considered greater, or even preferred more, than actual obedience to the moral law of love.
<quoted text>Not to watch us fail, no. But, this is a probationary period. "Grace," after all, is synonymous with "probation," is it not? We've been given grace, which means that the judgment of death has been removed for a time. During this period, we're to (re-)condition our minds and hearts to live according to the spiritual aspects of the law, as this will prove our desire to live in the kingdom of glory.
<quoted text>Actually, he didn't. He taught what the nation of Israel neglected. Does not Proverbs 24:9 warn, "The thought of foolishness is sin"? It might seem more strict, but the intention is to eradicate temptation, as temptations come from within.
<quoted text>...says the member of only one of the myriad of denominations that accuse all others of the same.
<quoted text>Of a surety, the prophets, apostles, and disciples, were all accused of the same.
<quoted text>The books called "Matthew," "Mark," "Luke," and "John," are still "the gospel." This is why, at Luke 4:18, our anointed Savior is quoted as quoting the prophet Isaiah. "Gospel" means "good news."
<quoted text>If you don't mind my asking, where do you receive your knowledge? And please, don't say, "the Holy Spirit," as you'll be only one of a billion plus.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Until next time...
Shalowm.
Just a quick question BLL.
If your children ( if you have children)
came to you and said -Dad, we just can't be perfect like you. We don't want meet anyone in life , in fear we might goof up and sin before we get married. We don't want to ask Jesus into our hearts, in fear that we have to be perfect in every way like you do .
I feel like Dad, we will loose our 'free will. And another Dad, I would want the Holy Spirit to guide me and give unto me knowledge of Jesus, but you would say - I am a liar.
So Dad, how to I get out of this religion thing? after I leave home?
BLL, would you disown your children if this really happened?

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#470613 Dec 13, 2012
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Steve, Yes I am looking forward to the holidays. My wife is scheduled for surgery on the 21st of December, just one day after her Christmas break begins, but she should be back to normal before she goes back to work.
Now I think you will remember some time ago we had a discussion about who the Bible was written to and that I said that certain parts were written to certain people. Well, when this is not understood, then scriptures get taken out of context. I also said that the scriptures need to be rightly divided so that understanding can be more clear. Hebrews is written to Hebrews (Jews). this is no mention of Gentiles in the book. The warnings are for the Jews who converted to Christianity, but some of them couldn't let go of Judaism. In other words, they were still relying on themselves to produce righteousness. The general epistles, Hebrews through Jude are alike. They are all written to the Jews, not to the Gentiles.
And it gets deeper and I will try, in the near future, in a continuous discussion, to clarify this. So, due to time and space constraints, I will say this; I believe with all my heart, that if God has truly illuminated an individual, they will persevere til the end.
Take care and I appreciate the shout.
Awesome Drew..Keep posting the Truth. I love reading them

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#470614 Dec 13, 2012
Hebrews 8:9
See Exodus 19:3-8
Exodus 19:3-8
Deuteronomy 4:13
See Exodus 19:5 and 24:8
See Hebrews 8:10
Exodus 24:3,4-7
Exodus 24:5-8
Hebrews 9:19&20
Exodus 32:1&19
See Exodus 34:1&28
First Covenant

Hebrews 8:6
Jeremiah 31:33&34
See Hebrews 8:8-12
See Ezekiel 36:27
Genesis 3:14&15
Genesis 17:15,19,and 24:4
Galatians 3:16&29
See Galatians 3:17 and 3:7&9
Hebrews 9:16&17
Luke 22:20
Hebrews 13:20&21
Hebrews 9:14&15
Second Covenant

See John 15:5
See Isaiah 64:6
See Romans 3:20-26
See Philippians 3:9
See Isaiah 54:17
See Jeremiah 23:6
Jeremiah 31:33
Deuteronomy 10:3&4
Jeremiah 31:33
Hebrews 8:7&8
Ephesians 2:11-13
Old and New Compared

Hebrews 8:13
Hebrews 8:7
contraste and designate

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#470615 Dec 13, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>The law was given with the intention of re-establishing what was lost in the garden. From the beginning, the law was to assist us in building a relationship with the epitome of righteousness. What was expected then is expected now. We're to learn the spiritual aspects of the law until we no longer need the law as a guide. This is where Israel failed, but where we're supposed to succeed.
<quoted text>Such a thought hinders spiritual growth. If we couldn't reflect our Godhead, no such instructions would exist.
<quoted text>Incorrect, my friend.
Our anointed Savior not only came to be a perfect example of how we all should think, act, react, and speak, but he taught us how to accomplish this, also, by teaching us the spiritual aspects of the law. Knowing that perfection is a gradual process, we've been granted sufficient grace to help each and every one of us, in times of need.
<quoted text>He came to reform Judaism, first and foremost. He came to fulfill what Israel became dependent on. He came to fulfill those laws that Israel considered greater, or even preferred more, than actual obedience to the moral law of love.
<quoted text>Not to watch us fail, no. But, this is a probationary period. "Grace," after all, is synonymous with "probation," is it not? We've been given grace, which means that the judgment of death has been removed for a time. During this period, we're to (re-)condition our minds and hearts to live according to the spiritual aspects of the law, as this will prove our desire to live in the kingdom of glory.
<quoted text>Actually, he didn't. He taught what the nation of Israel neglected. Does not Proverbs 24:9 warn, "The thought of foolishness is sin"? It might seem more strict, but the intention is to eradicate temptation, as temptations come from within.
<quoted text>...says the member of only one of the myriad of denominations that accuse all others of the same.
<quoted text>Of a surety, the prophets, apostles, and disciples, were all accused of the same.
<quoted text>The books called "Matthew," "Mark," "Luke," and "John," are still "the gospel." This is why, at Luke 4:18, our anointed Savior is quoted as quoting the prophet Isaiah. "Gospel" means "good news."
<quoted text>If you don't mind my asking, where do you receive your knowledge? And please, don't say, "the Holy Spirit," as you'll be only one of a billion plus.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Until next time...
Shalowm.
When Jesus cried "IT IS FINISHED" I believe He meant it. Salvation happened then and all we had to do was accet that nd ALLOW God to chnge us. PERIOD.. However, if you insist on doing More than Jesus, then by all means..try. I choose to enter into His rest. good night

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#470616 Dec 13, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>The law was given with the intention of re-establishing what was lost in the garden. From the beginning, the law was to assist us in building a relationship with the epitome of righteousness. What was expected then is expected now. We're to learn the spiritual aspects of the law until we no longer need the law as a guide. This is where Israel failed, but where we're supposed to succeed.
<quoted text>Such a thought hinders spiritual growth. If we couldn't reflect our Godhead, no such instructions would exist.
<quoted text>Incorrect, my friend.
Our anointed Savior not only came to be a perfect example of how we all should think, act, react, and speak, but he taught us how to accomplish this, also, by teaching us the spiritual aspects of the law. Knowing that perfection is a gradual process, we've been granted sufficient grace to help each and every one of us, in times of need.
<quoted text>He came to reform Judaism, first and foremost. He came to fulfill what Israel became dependent on. He came to fulfill those laws that Israel considered greater, or even preferred more, than actual obedience to the moral law of love.
<quoted text>Not to watch us fail, no. But, this is a probationary period. "Grace," after all, is synonymous with "probation," is it not? We've been given grace, which means that the judgment of death has been removed for a time. During this period, we're to (re-)condition our minds and hearts to live according to the spiritual aspects of the law, as this will prove our desire to live in the kingdom of glory.
<quoted text>Actually, he didn't. He taught what the nation of Israel neglected. Does not Proverbs 24:9 warn, "The thought of foolishness is sin"? It might seem more strict, but the intention is to eradicate temptation, as temptations come from within.
<quoted text>...says the member of only one of the myriad of denominations that accuse all others of the same.
<quoted text>Of a surety, the prophets, apostles, and disciples, were all accused of the same.
<quoted text>The books called "Matthew," "Mark," "Luke," and "John," are still "the gospel." This is why, at Luke 4:18, our anointed Savior is quoted as quoting the prophet Isaiah. "Gospel" means "good news."
<quoted text>If you don't mind my asking, where do you receive your knowledge? And please, don't say, "the Holy Spirit," as you'll be only one of a billion plus.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Until next time...
Shalowm.
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Galatians 3:24..

Thats what the law was for...You mean you havent found your GUIDE yet???

Let me introduce you to a man named JESUS...He is the guide to everything we need..not the law..Legalism has blinded you.

Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.

the moral law - the Law of God - shows people their sin and danger, and thus leads them to the Saviour. It condemns them, and thus prepares them to welcome the offer of pardon through a Redeemer.

The Bible teaches that Jesus DIDN'T come into the world to condemn anyone; but rather, to save sinners. What a precious truth! It is the Law of God that condemns all mankind. Many people mistakenly believe that the Ten Commandments are a plan of salvation, but they are not. God's Law condemns all of us as miserable failures and guilty sinners (Romans 3:10-23).

You ask where i get my knowledge??? The BIBLE......American Bible Academy...where do you get yours?

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