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REVELATION

Rev 1:9

"I, John,YOUR BROTHER AND COMPANION IN THE SUFFERING and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus."

1. IN THE SUFFERING: The early Church, before Catholicism,, went through immense persecution for preaching the message of Jesus Christ and committing to coverts. From beheadings, floggings, imprisonments, banishments, beatings and other forms of torture, etc....both Jewish and Gentile Christians fled, hid and some stayed behind with those who couldn't leave to offer some sort of comfort before some impending punishment or death. All because they would not deny the faith that's in Jesus Christ even to the point of extreme torture or death... some torture would be to see their own family members die unless they would deny Jesus Christ.

A. I understand that it doesn't make sense why they were being persecuted and it seems implausible now... but back then they were disrupting the political, monetary and social orders of the day. Merchants were losing money... they had various idols of pagan gods and goddessess on the market and coverts to Christ stopped buying them. Meats and produce that were blessed by some pagan priest(ess) before they went to market to sell were not selling... preachers were converting people to the Lord and the new converts stopped worshipping these various idols. All of this affected the merchants' bottomline and it affected the taxes being paid into the empire. The love of money is the root of all evil... keep in mind, money isn't evil... it's the love of money that is evil.

B. Another reason that they were being persecuted was because they disowned the mythological pantheons of Jupiter (Zeus), Diana (Artemis) and the like in which various pagan temples were held in very high esteem back in that day. The Christians were disrupting the social orders and taking action saying that these were false deities and that only Jesus Christ could save from sin and make amends from the True God's wrath. This infuriated the religious orders who also received income from idol worshippers as the pagan temples were another form of legalized prostitution in which "a john" would get "a trick" from their choice of temple priests (basically a gigalo with long hair) or priestesses with an age range of very young to old. The excuse was, the paid-for sex act was an offering to that pagan god or goddess in return for some favor. The new Christians were not only a threat to this value system but they were a rebuke to them as well. The localized leaders wanted to keep peace with Rome because they had to meet a certain tax budget or they themselves would be targets of Caesarian authorities.

C. I'll give you an example of how riled up the local and religious leaders were... it's like me disrupting the beliefs of some saying that Once Saved Always Saved doctrine is a counterfeit Grace teaching. Except any persecution I might endure because of that is very, very slim compared to what the early christians had to deal with due to lack of human rights and dignity.

So anyways >>> continued...

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dr Shrink wrote:
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if you cut skin from pork,that pork is circumcized and you can eat pork
good apetit
Damn, he ain't kidding.

It's an Apetit restaurant ...
http://www.yelp.com/biz/lindys-bon-apetit-was...

It's in the D of C, a block from GWU.

They serve apetit burgers.

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Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, God's grace can still save him. Whether or not he IS saved is between him and the Lord alone.
Good Morning Roberta... again, thank you for your input yesterday. But unfortunately, God's Grace will not save him if he was once saved. turns back and dies unrepentedly and unashamedly as a homosexual... that would go for a hetero also who has a living arrangement and is not married.:

Apostle Paul: "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders" I Cor 6:9

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Edit: Good Afternoon! I mean... smile... it's my morning after a night of work.

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AnnieJ wrote:
In case I am not back on...wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas and leave you with my favorite Christmas song...
hauntingly beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Good Afternoon Annie, Merry Christmas to you... some time ago when I read up on the history of Christmas... well, let's just say it was very interesting. For a couple of years I had a hard time reconciling the origins and the current views about it. But.. for my own reconciliation, this is the time of year where not only people of other beliefs worship... like the Jews with Chanukah (sp), the pagans with Yule I believe or whatever they may celebrate... but I celebrate simply because Jesus is being adored and worshipped by believers and unbelievers alike.

Welp, I don't think you would mind it if I played a traditional Nativity song of Jesus but out of respect for you I'll post this song which is a bit more neutral and still has that Christmassy feel. Enjoy Annie! Smile.

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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Afternoon Qu, that is what their argument boils down to.
Unfortunately yes... I used to believe that way also... it hit me like a ton of bricks when I found out some time ago that it was a counterfeit doctrine which clearly goes against scripture.

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Roberta G wrote:
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You're still splitting hairs, Lawest. Do you remember the parable of the man who hired workers in the morning, at noon, toward evening and then paid them all the same?
At WHATEVER point in our lives we call upon Jesus to save us, He does. There must be many, many people who on their deathbeds were personally touched by Jesus and called Him Lord and Savior. Those people are just as saved as we who have tried to serve Him over much of our lives.
And kindly don't bother me about this again. We're talking about a FICTIONAL man, for heaven's sake, and since I can't even read the hearts and minds of people who actually exist I'm not about to try to examine the soul of someone who doesn't.
With all due respect RG do not tell me not to respond to any post on this thread as I am a regular here and have every right to express my opinion here as much as anyone else, and will continue to do so, please remember that.

As for the "fictional" man, there nothing fictional about the circumstances mention and you cannot fall into and turn away from. God and still be saved.

Blessings.

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Drew H wrote:
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Cool and rainy here. Feels like December.
Did you check out the article in the link I left behind?
Good Afternoon Drew... it was pretty much the same thing here last night. I'm sorry Drew but I missed (not on purpose). Can you please resend? Thanks.

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LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> With all due respect RG do not tell me not to respond to any post on this thread as I am a regular here and have every right to express my opinion here as much as anyone else, and will continue to do so, please remember that.
As for the "fictional" man, there nothing fictional about the circumstances mention and you cannot fall into and turn away from. God and still be saved.
Blessings.
Hey Lawest... I'm sure that you already know this, but unfortunately, there are many non-fictional preachers who turned gay in the pulpit so to speak... Once Saved Always Saved? Some still say yes...

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Drew H wrote:
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By faith alone, through grace alone, in Jesus Christ alone. The age of grace; and this is now, but it will soon end.
I believe that one should read the whole chapter of Eph 2 in context... with all due respect, It is written:

"For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead."

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>I'm done talking about the security of the believer with you 'unbelieving christians'. Such a miserable,confused life you people live just because you don't think that Calvary was good enough to keep you saved. Well,that's YOUR problem. Movin' on....
Actually I'm very joyful in the Lord for what He has done for us... but I will not take advantage of His Grace as an excuse or liberty to sin because of a denominational doctrine that goes against the holy scriptures....now if and when I sin, we have an advocate with the Father through whom I confess my sins, be forgiven and start fresh.

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Drew H wrote:
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That which you have written above is an example of a false conversion. No one can accept Christ. He has to be received. It is us that He has to accept, and when we are drawn to Him, we have been accepted, then we either receive or reject His gift of grace.
So basically you are saying that this pastor had a false conversion also?

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2010/November/G...

Now I'm not going to put out some kind of list of gay pastors as there is a quite a number of them within Protestant circles... but this particular Pastor did it from the bottom of his heart, so to speak. So are all Pastors who come out of the closet unashamedly and those caught in the closet with a member of the same sex... are you saying that these all had false conversions? So you are saying that they are all not or never were saved. That's what I think you are saying in your own opinion.

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Que,give it a rest. You know where I stand on this.
Actually, I don't know where you stand on a Gay Pastor living gay unrepentedly. I understand, it's his business... Once Saved Always Saved or as the popular cliche goes... he was never saved to begin with.

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Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>Oh,so...you're depending on....THE LORD,as far as whether,or not,you live to see tomorrow!!...uh huh....but you can't depend on....THE LORD to 'keep you saved'. Uh huh....yeah,me unda'stands now. Uh huh.
Doc, it is written in the holy scriptures:

"Now that you have purified yourselves BY OBEYING THE TRUTH so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart."

If one does not obey the Gospel then belief is fruitless unless one repents... repentance is not just for the unsaved... but also for all of us who make the claim that we are saved when we mess up and miss the mark... God is not a respector of persons... and will forgive those who come to Him through Christ.

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Red Apples wrote:
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Good evening Grace.
It's just another one of Q's tactics. He's going to try to discredit you in any way he can (even if he has to be dishonest and deceitful). Because the truth you're bringing is exposing the false doctrine he (and a couple other posters) is trying to sell as the truth in here.
It's a tactic he's used before. When what he's trying to post as the truth gets blown out of the water by someone he attacks the person exposing him in a very deceitful and dishonest way. Just like he's trying to do with you.
Don't let it bother you. Those of us that have been posting in here for a long time have seen him do what he's trying to do with you many times before. Just keep standing on the truth. Those that know the truth and stand on it have never been and never will be fooled by Q or those like him.
Keep up the good work and keep standing on the truth of God's Holy Word.
Have a great night. God bless.
Good Afternoon Red, actually no. I've had issues with Cindy before. It's just that Grace believes in your Once Saved Always Saved doctrine. Now all this talk about Self-Righteousness earlier this week? Why is it okay for you to make a stab at Shrink and another poster being Thumper and why can I not try the spirits and find out if this is Cindy or not? I remember when Cindy posted here as Not of This World Forever or one of her aliases... she kept insisting that she was not Cindy until... Because this alias of hers in the past kept coming after me, you and a few others took up for her. After a few months, you and the few others who were attempting to come after me, lol... found out that it was actually Cindy after all. Now, I believe I was wrong concerning LW and I have repented of that and apologized. But the majority of the time I found out that Cindy was playing another one of her aliases.

Do I believe that GW is Cindy? I don't know, that's what I'm trying to find out... I believe Simply Put is. Why is it important? Because Cindy will preach the gospel like nobody's business.. and with another alias will come against the bible and Christians. I'm sure you could attest to that as you have also, with others on here, have been suckered in the past.

But anyways, what I have told you, Grace and others about the origins of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine is true.. and what I have said about it being a counterfeit doctrine of Grace is true also which contradicts the scriptures. The majority of people who believe in OSAS does not deter me from that truth. I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings but I will speak the truth in love even if it kills me, bans me, I'm hated, I'm love, I'm liked, I'm disliked... what matters most to me is loving the brethren and loving Jesus...and for that I will continue to tell the truth and I will continue to find out if this GW is Cindy... so far she meets all the attributes IMHO.

Yippie-yi-yo-ki-yay my brother

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Grace Walker wrote:
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I have posted as Grace Walker and ONLY GW. Sounds like you may be facing some guilt issues. You also lied.
Welp, we shall see... if I'm wrong on the hunch then my only guilt in the matter will be that I was wrong. I will apologize if that is the case... the storm will eventually blow over... but nope, right now Ima-feelin'-pretty-good-there. ..

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simplyput wrote:
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Hello - I agree
To be drawn to Christ. We all (I think) have had that 'drawn (ing)sensation that hits us. We might feel this 'drawn sense in a lot of ways, I was 'drawn to get know Jesus better.
A 'pulling at our hearts,- I was 'drawn to check on mom/dad in the middle of the night because they live alone, and called them instantly or/ might went over the next day to check on them, whether or not anything happened, this 'drawn that we felt, was satisfied and we felt better.
We must 'want this (knock at the door)/ urging /pulling, drawing, at our hearts and ask for Jesus to come in to our hearts .
Agreed. The Holy Spirit compels and constrains. If not, then He is not in the individual.

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Roberta G wrote:
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Drew, you sound like a Lutheran :) Are you?
I wouldn't consider myself a Lutheran. I'm not much into denominationalism, if that's a word, however I do worship with a small group of people who are unaffiliated.

I have studied the London Confession of 1689 and found it to be quite Biblical. I have found that as time goes by, people have twisted things to fit their own agendas, so I give much more credence to those who have gone on, mainly because what they have written cannot be changed.

But I rely on the written Word and the Holy Spirit and if something doesn't line up, I disregard it.

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G_O_D wrote:
Since you believe Quin is deceitful and Quin doesn't believe in the Trinity then it follows that you must now believe in the Trinity.
Unless this is all just personal attacks and has nothing to do with Jesus, Salvation or Truth.
<scratches head in wonder>
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Good Afternoon G-man, it's okay... RA loves me. Smile.

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Grace Walker wrote:
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Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
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Leviticus 18:5
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

Habukkuk 2:4
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Genesis 19:9-14
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Exodus 24:8
And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Job 1:1, 14:13-15
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

Ezekiel 14:12-14, 19-20
The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:
Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

1John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

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