“Become Love!”

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#470559 Dec 13, 2012
All That Believe In The OSAS Doctrine wrote:
We believe in the OSAS doctrine!
Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
__________

Leviticus 18:5
Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.

Habukkuk 2:4
Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Exodus 12:49
One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Genesis 19:9-14
And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

Exodus 24:8
And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words.

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Job 1:1, 14:13-15
There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

O that thou wouldest hide me in the grave, that thou wouldest keep me secret, until thy wrath be past, that thou wouldest appoint me a set time, and remember me!
If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands.

Ezekiel 14:12-14, 19-20
The word of the LORD came again to me, saying,
Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.

Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:
Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

1John 3:7
Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#470560 Dec 13, 2012
Mick Scott wrote:
Give me one shred of evidence that he ever existed
Do not quote the Gospels at me none of them knew him and were written much later.
The Roman executed people in Judea on a stake not a cross. The Romans kept detailed records as did the Jews. Don't quote Josephus he wasn't even born then.
For a faith with more than one billion or more adherents it would be thrown out of court
There is a Truth and it is a gift which lies within us all and you must seek it.
No Adam and Eve or Adam and Steve
Our distant ancestors crawled out of a primeval sea our creator provided the building blocks and that explains why Eart has so much diversity
The University teems with life but I believe we are one of the priviliged ones
Good Evening Mike... well, most of the Jews themselves (those who don't follow and don't believe Jesus was the Messiah)... well, they make small mention of him of being a leader of some heretical sect... not very much else. You would think that the Jews would erase any admittance to Jesus' existance.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#470561 Dec 13, 2012
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
The verse you spoke of and a few more about the importance of remaining faithful
Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
2Timothy 2:12
if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, and I have remained faithful.
1John 2:24
As for you, see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is what he promised us—eternal life.
1Corinthians 15:1-2
Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Have a good one Lawest
(T) Peace
Good Evening Skom... apologize for the butting in as you wrote this Lawest... but I can't help but to say that the scriptures you provided really strengthens my faith... thank you for that.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#470562 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
Hey Drew, I was catching up and I saw where Skom replied to an article of eternal security... The author seemed pretty sincere as she was looking at the OSAS doctrine, free-will... and the like. Now, she concludes by saying that Salvation can be forfeited but not lost... I would say that forfeiting is also a neglect of some duty. In any case, from what I've read, she doesn't believe in OSAS but believes God can keep you. I believe that too... but one must be obedient to the Word (where God can keep you) and not disobedient to the Word where we will grow cold in the things of God.
Hebrew author: "We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, SO THAT we do not drift away. FOR if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment,...how shall we escape if we ignore (neglect) such a great salvation?"
Hebrew Chapter 2
Now Drew, if you don't believe in Once Saved Always Saved then please plainly say tell me that you don't believe in it?
Is that the same article that you were asking me about?

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#470563 Dec 13, 2012
All That Believe In The OSAS Doctrine wrote:
We believe in the OSAS doctrine!
Hebrews 12:7-10, 14-17, 25-29
IF YE endure chastening, God dealeth with YOU as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
But IF YE be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are YE bastards, and not sons.
Furthermore WE have had fathers of OUR flesh which corrected US, and WE gave them reverence: shall WE not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
For they verily for a few days chastened US after their own pleasure; but he for OUR profit, that WE MIGHT BE partakers of his holiness.

Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
LOOKING DILIGENTLY LEST ANY MAN FAIL OF THE GRACE OF GOD; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble YOU, and thereby many be defiled;
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.
For YE know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

See that YE refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not WE escape, if WE turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Wherefore WE receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby WE may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
For our God is a consuming fire.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#470564 Dec 13, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>As usual, the devil's in the details, no pun intended.
It's that "if," you see. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT PASSES BETWEEN THE MAN AND GOD. WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT GOD IS INFINITELY MERCIFUL AS WELL AS INFINITELY JUST.
You and LAWEST are acting like Jonah, who begrudged sharing God's Word with the people of Nineveh. Remember, GOD IS NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH.
Share the Good News with everyone you can. Leave the rest to Him.
I will continue, with the Lord's help, to do my best to give others the whole truth... rather than the 1/2 truths that I've been recently accused of by innuendo. It is also why I went back to the origins of Once Saved Always Saved because that is where it all began.

Now, the bible clearly gives everyone a head's up... God is having mercy by warning us ahead of time... "those who do such things SHALL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God." Either the scriptures are wrong or we are ingesting our own humanist secular interpretations into it. I wholeheartedly agree with what you've just stated that it is not God's Will that any man perish... but you left the other part out ----> "BUT ALLLLLLLL come to repentance." You've left that out and I don't think that you meant to leave that out but that is part of the issue we're having in coming to the the full truth. People see what they want to see... even when the truth is staring right in front of them. It clearly says, "they shall not inherit the Kingdom of God"... whether we agree to it or not.

Now, If one does not repent of their sins (saved or unsaved) then that sin remains on them. The devil is in the details as you've said, no pun intended.

Apostle Peter: "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, BUT that all should come to REPENTANCE." 2 Peter 3:9

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#470565 Dec 13, 2012
I'm going to have to leave out of here shortly... so any last words? If not, then I have one, two or 3 things to put out. Smile.

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#470566 Dec 13, 2012
Brother Lee Love wrote:
<quoted text>Hebrews 13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
.
Amen... Good evening Bro. Lee... Just wanted to say hello to you before I leave out of here shortly... have a good one.

Love, Joy, Peace, looooooong suffering +

Smile.

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#470569 Dec 13, 2012
Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide
Sequel Part 1

"And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, AND LOOKING BACK, is fit for the kingdom of God."

“Saved. ”

Since: Aug 12

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#470570 Dec 13, 2012
Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide
Sequel Part 2

"Brethren, IF ANY OF YOU do ERR FROM THE TRUTH, and one convert him, Let him know, that he which converteth THE SINNER from the error of his way SHALL SAVE A SOUL FROM DEATH, and shall hide a multitude of sins."

James 5

__________

Keep in mind that James is talking to the brethen and referring about ONE OF THEM "if" they should backslide... basically, if they are converted back then they will be saved from death... now this isn't talking about physical death (because everyone dies)... but it is talking about a spiritual one.

Have a blessed night everyone... Shrink, take care and please learn how to behave yourself.

:)

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#470571 Dec 13, 2012
dr apetit stake wrote:
I eat stakes
Excuse me ...am I ignoring you?
Roberta G

United States

#470572 Dec 13, 2012
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> With all due respect RG do not tell me not to respond to any post on this thread as I am a regular here and have every right to express my opinion here as much as anyone else, and will continue to do so, please remember that.
As for the "fictional" man, there nothing fictional about the circumstances mention and you cannot fall into and turn away from. God and still be saved.
Blessings.
Oh, you can express your opinion here. Of course you can. As you say, you have as much right here as anyone else.

What you don't have however is the right to require ME to respond to any particular post, or any particular part of a post. Not even your own. So when I say "Don't bother me about this again" be aware that even if you insist that I address a point I won't necessarily do so.

I've always found interesting the notion that many people seem to have, that I can be expected to roll over and play dead, whenever they want me to do it. They mistake tolerance for weakness.
Roberta G

United States

#470573 Dec 13, 2012
Drew H wrote:
<quoted text>
I wouldn't consider myself a Lutheran. I'm not much into denominationalism, if that's a word, however I do worship with a small group of people who are unaffiliated.
I have studied the London Confession of 1689 and found it to be quite Biblical. I have found that as time goes by, people have twisted things to fit their own agendas, so I give much more credence to those who have gone on, mainly because what they have written cannot be changed.
But I rely on the written Word and the Holy Spirit and if something doesn't line up, I disregard it.
I certainly can't argue with that :) But I've never heard of the London Confession.

“Become Love!”

Since: Jan 09

Nowhere/Now here

#470574 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
Amen... Good evening Bro. Lee... Just wanted to say hello to you before I leave out of here shortly... have a good one.
Love, Joy, Peace, looooooong suffering +
Smile.
Greetings, salutations, and shalowm, Qu_innocence.

I apologize for my lack of contribution to the discussion as of late, but I've had some serious connectivity issues. And I refuse to post via phone, as I have a tendency of using all 4000 characters in my posts.

What..?

You don't believe me?

Say "Word!"

Real talk...here goes.

It was a dark and stormy night...

Nah...I won't do that to you. Not if I don't have to.

Until next time....

Shalowm.
simplyput

Aurora, CO

#470575 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Good Afternoon Red, actually no. I've had issues with Cindy before. It's just that Grace believes in your Once Saved Always Saved doctrine. Now all this talk about Self-Righteousness earlier this week? Why is it okay for you to make a stab at Shrink and another poster being Thumper and why can I not try the spirits and find out if this is Cindy or not? I remember when Cindy posted here as Not of This World Forever or one of her aliases... she kept insisting that she was not Cindy until... Because this alias of hers in the past kept coming after me, you and a few others took up for her. After a few months, you and the few others who were attempting to come after me, lol... found out that it was actually Cindy after all. Now, I believe I was wrong concerning LW and I have repented of that and apologized. But the majority of the time I found out that Cindy was playing another one of her aliases.
Do I believe that GW is Cindy? I don't know, that's what I'm trying to find out... I believe Simply Put is. Why is it important? Because Cindy will preach the gospel like nobody's business.. and with another alias will come against the bible and Christians. I'm sure you could attest to that as you have also, with others on here, have been suckered in the past.
But anyways, what I have told you, Grace and others about the origins of the Once Saved Always Saved doctrine is true.. and what I have said about it being a counterfeit doctrine of Grace is true also which contradicts the scriptures. The majority of people who believe in OSAS does not deter me from that truth. I'm sorry that it hurts your feelings but I will speak the truth in love even if it kills me, bans me, I'm hated, I'm love, I'm liked, I'm disliked... what matters most to me is loving the brethren and loving Jesus...and for that I will continue to tell the truth and I will continue to find out if this GW is Cindy... so far she meets all the attributes IMHO.
Yippie-yi-yo-ki-yay my brother
Qu, I don't even know who in the heck this cindy person is.

Now you can believe me or not, and I am sure GW feels the same.

Do you make a habit of thinking someone is NOT who they say they are? Are you this paranoid of people? What in the world did this cindy do that is so terrible that you are watching and checking out everyone that stops in to talk on this topix?

Since: Sep 12

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#470576 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Welp, we shall see... if I'm wrong on the hunch then my only guilt in the matter will be that I was wrong. I will apologize if that is the case... the storm will eventually blow over... but nope, right now Ima-feelin'-pretty-good-there. ..
Well start repenting of this too then..You are wrong on a lot of things and especially of accusing me of being someone that I never even heard of. You are falsly accusing me of being decietful and for lying. God knows the truth and thats all that matters to me. I have nothing to prove to you. I will ALWAYS stand firm on my FAITH and endure it do the end. If you were sincere in your walk with Christ, then you would at least be open minded enough to research more about the Love of Christ and what He really done for us at cavalry. Instead, you would rather preach YOUR opinion of your Pastors latest sermon. I lived the Christian life that you are living and at least I had enough common sense to realize that the battle for our souls IS NOT between US and GOD..There had to be more to living for God then a list of rules and struggling to be sombody that I just could not be. Jesus knew we could NOT live up to Gods standards...before we became a believer and AFTER we became a believer. THATS why He came and thats WHY He suffered the most horrible death known to man. He didnt do that and then "put us on probation" ..Just to watch us fail. Why do you think He added an even stricter rules to the already strict rules? You dont even know how to rightly divide the scriptures yet. The bible tells us to leave the childish behavior behind and go on to more mature teachings. You wont listen to the more mature teachings because you want everybody to listen to YOU...If you desire to be a preacher, preach the truth!!! Did you know that the "Gospel" doesn't even begin until the Book of Acts? No, You probably still think as a immature babe in Christ and assume it is Matthew through Luke, just because theirs is called the Gospel of...so and so...Learn the Gospel of Jesus Christ and you wont be so quick to assume ANYTHING..have a good evening and simply ask God to reveal to you HIS truth instead of the man behind the pulpit.

Since: Sep 12

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#470577 Dec 13, 2012
simplyput wrote:
<quoted text>
Qu, I don't even know who in the heck this cindy person is.
Now you can believe me or not, and I am sure GW feels the same.
Do you make a habit of thinking someone is NOT who they say they are? Are you this paranoid of people? What in the world did this cindy do that is so terrible that you are watching and checking out everyone that stops in to talk on this topix?
Thank You simplyput...Paranoia is not of God.. God gives discernment through the Holy Spirit and it's obvious that he isn't following the Spirits lead but following his flesh. I dont know who cindy is either. I havent joined topix until September of this year. I wont discuss this with him again...I told him how I felt about his judgemental behavior and now I will leave it in Gods hands and continue spreading The Gospel..
God Bless

Since: Sep 12

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#470579 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide
Sequel Part 2
"Brethren, IF ANY OF YOU do ERR FROM THE TRUTH, and one convert him, Let him know, that he which converteth THE SINNER from the error of his way SHALL SAVE A SOUL FROM DEATH, and shall hide a multitude of sins."
James 5
__________
Keep in mind that James is talking to the brethen and referring about ONE OF THEM "if" they should backslide... basically, if they are converted back then they will be saved from death... now this isn't talking about physical death (because everyone dies)... but it is talking about a spiritual one.
Have a blessed night everyone... Shrink, take care and please learn how to behave yourself.
:)
Again you misunderstood....The Apostle did not say they DID..He said IF such a thing was to EVER happen.. If any one of you do err from the truth. If a brother is led away from the gospel. One might be led into false doctrine, or into false practice. The GOSPEL Q....Learn what that is..Paul learned this Gospel from Jesus Himself..Grace is ALL that paul preached, but he had a hard time convincing people of the Truth also but he died preachng it...

Since: Sep 12

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#470580 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
Once Saved Always Saved? You Decide
Sequel Part 1
"And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, AND LOOKING BACK, is fit for the kingdom of God."
Listen to Preacher Q or Jesus..You Decide...

Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and PERFECTOR of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God...Its JESUS who Perfects our FAITH..not us mere little humans.

Since: Sep 12

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#470583 Dec 13, 2012
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I will continue, with the Lord's help, to do my best to give others the whole truth... rather than the 1/2 truths that I've been recently accused of by innuendo. It is also why I went back to the origins of Once Saved Always Saved because that is where it all began.
Now, the bible clearly gives everyone a head's up... God is having mercy by warning us ahead of time... "those who do such things SHALL NOT inherit the Kingdom of God." Either the scriptures are wrong or we are ingesting our own humanist secular interpretations into it. I wholeheartedly agree with what you've just stated that it is not God's Will that any man perish... but you left the other part out ----> "BUT ALLLLLLLL come to repentance." You've left that out and I don't think that you meant to leave that out but that is part of the issue we're having in coming to the the full truth. People see what they want to see... even when the truth is staring right in front of them. It clearly says, "they shall not inherit the Kingdom of God"... whether we agree to it or not.
Now, If one does not repent of their sins (saved or unsaved) then that sin remains on them. The devil is in the details as you've said, no pun intended.
Apostle Peter: "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, BUT that all should come to REPENTANCE." 2 Peter 3:9
You seem to think God is standing over everybody with a big club in His hand just waiting on one of His Beloved Children to make a mistake. I hope you dont treat your children like that (if you have any)..God says if your earthly father can give you good things..HOW much MORE, your Heavenly Father can give you...You just posted where God Is Longsuffering towards us and then you want Christians to doubt their salvation!!! Q, you will answer for any seed of doubt that you sow into a believers heart. You are to preach The GOOD NEWS of Jesus Christ..NOT on human effort, which is works. You have become a modern day Pharisee..And a preacher man like you should know what Matthew 5:20 says about that..

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